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[LordPennlocke]

I doubt the small choices that are ported over from ME1 will be available to the PS3 users. Such as consequences from the UNC missions. PS3 users will not have the luxury of experiencing ME1 in its fullest, only the big decisions (Rachni, Virmire, fate of the Council, etc) will be able to be tweaked to their liking. All of the immersion and dialogue that us PC/Xbox players got to experience will still be exclusive.



I have both a PC and PS3, and I myself am still going to get it for the latter. I don't see what the big deal is. It will be as Chrono Mizaki said above this post, however, so go on complaining about betrayal and the like.

[Koomazaz]

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

Bioware killing your babies
360/PC fans being crucified like jesus
PS3 owners are spawns of Satan.
EA brought the Holocaust.

Nope.  Bobby Kotick is Adolf Hitler.  Activision brought the holocaust.

[rinoe]

squidney2k1 wrote...

In trying to be fair to PS3 owners, you are, in effect, screwing Xbox 360 and PC owners. You have given no regard to Xbox 360 & PC owners who may not have played ME1, yet you claim that all of this is necessary for PS3 owners who haven't played ME1 and are addressing ONLY the later.

PC owners and Xbox owners, who owns ME2 almost a year and still not played ME1...  deserves NOTHING.
How could they even call themselves a fan?
I do not feel forced to play ME1. I'm happy about that:P

[keldana]

squidney2k1 wrote...
And therein lies the problem.

You claim that you're not trying to alienate your current fans, yet you fail to realize that trying =/= doing. You ARE alienating us.

The interactive comic should be made availalbe to Xbox 360 & PC owners as well. You claim that it's simply for PS3 owners who "would be otherwise unable to realize the full effect of choice in the Mass Effect universe," and are going to allow them to make major decisions regarding ME1 without playing the game, and that's fine....but the bottom line is that Xbox 360/PC owners are getting shafted on a feature that should be available for the GAME (Mass Effect 2), and not the PLATFORM (PS3). You are going to allow PS3 users--under the excuss that they can't play ME1--to be able to freely create their Shepard's backstory, and thus allowing them to easily change it with each playthrough....whereas Xbox 360/PC owners are forced to play the default Shepard with NO CHOICE WHATESOEVER on his/her backstory, and if they don't like it they must go and play ME1, a completely seperate purchase. And if a person would like to have multiple Shepards that differ in story choices and background? For Xbox 360/PC owners they must playthrough ME1 multiple times in order to gain the full experience of that...but PS3 owners? Nah, just load up this interactive comic and change all of the choices!

In trying to be fair to PS3 owners, you are, in effect, screwing Xbox 360 and PC owners. You have given no regard to Xbox 360 & PC owners who may not have played ME1, yet you claim that all of this is necessary for PS3 owners who haven't played ME1 and are addressing ONLY the later.


Bottom line Bioware.....you can say what you want and try to spin it however you want, but it all comes down to what you actually DO that matters....and you are making a significant number of your fans unhappy. You need to do the right thing and make EVERYTHING that is being done for the PS3 version available for the Xbox 360 & PC. It's not a matter of exclusive content----what you are doing completely changes how you play the game, how the game will play in the future, and altering the full Mass Effect experience...and that is NOT something you make "exclusive."

Sorry, but I think the "number" of people, which are "thinking" like you is very small. Only a very small group of people will be sad about the comic for PS3 users. Most of us think "they get a way to make some decisions we were able to make through ME1". If there are people, who want to have "more" Shepards for having nearly all "available decisions", they ALREADY have ... cause they played this game 20 times.

And I wouldn´t blame Bioware, if therefor this comic wouldn´t be available for PC and XBox360.

Even though ... it isn´t said "comic will for every time beeing exclusive to PS3" ... so please calm down until this info you think you have goes into REAL LIFE !!!

Modifié par keldana, 08 novembre 2010 - 08:40 .

[Jamin101]

Dust_King wrote...

@THWIP71: I still don't see what your issue is. By your logic ME2 is new to anyone who hasn't played it, because "games aren't perishable goods."

What seems to annoy you is that some people buying the game for the first time don't have to pay as much as you due to them getting the DLC for free, am I right so far?

So why didn't you ditch Bioware when they dropped the retail price on 360 by $50? (price at gamestop)

It is exactly the same thing, people are getting something for less than you paid because they waited.

...unless it's the fact that it's no longer exclusive to 360 which is annoying you?

your trying to come off as right and everyone else is just a jealous idiot. everyone knows games go down in price no one is complaining about that. but the fact is if i go but me2 for xbox i still have to pay for dlc and ps3 users dont. yet i waited just as long as they did. how is that fair?

[Jamin101]

SSV Enterprise wrote...

charmingcharlie wrote...

SSV Enterprise you have already posted that Jesus rubbish once in here stop spamming the topic, if you wanted to direct someone to that rubbish you could have at least linked to it.

If you want I could repost my entire updated version of your Jesus fable where the wealthy land owner ended up destitute because of questionable working practices and the fact no one would work for the land owner any more because he was a con artist.

Personally I find it rather shocking how quickly Bioware are devaluing their products and it doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the Mass Effect brand if less than a year later they have to practically give everything away just to get people to buy their game.

Whoa whoa whoa, why the hostility?  "Rubbish"?  Fine, if you're so hostile as to argue what I posted to make a single point, then so be it.

What the landowner does with his money is his business.  He wouldn't have trouble finding workers, because he was still paying the men he hired early in the morning a fair day's wage, compared to other employers.  In fact, workers should flock to him, since he even if he hires men late in the day he pays them a full day's wage.

Same with BioWare.  The sold ME2 for a full, fair price at its release, which has since come down.  People have no right to whine that the PS3 players get the DLC if they found the game and the DLC to be an agreeable price in the first place.  That price hasn't gone up.

last i checked dinosaurs existed so im with her, quit with that rubbish

[Jamin101]

aang001 wrote...

Glad you guys finally released some news! Not sure what to think on the dark horse comic thing though... If it's the same people doing the other comic of ME, I sense lame sauce, but it will catch up PS3 users however it looks... So the port isnt getting any extra content even with the Sony policy on ports huh? Oh well.

And too those complaining about the DLC being on the disk with little brain power:

Operative84 wrote...

Price for Standard Edition(collectors edition unconfirmed) Mass Effect 2 PS3: 59.99 USD Plus Tax

Price for Standard Edition Mass Effect 2 XBOX360: 19.99 USD Plus Tax

Price for ALL DLC available NOW for 360 version of ME2:
32.00 or 2560 MS pts.

Price of Standard Mass Effect 2 PC: 15.99 USD Plus Tax

PS3 price comparison to 360 and PC versions of ME2:

PS3-59.99+ tax (WITH UNCONFIRMED DLC)

360-19.99+ tax PLUS the OPTIONAL DLC cost of 32.00= $51.99+

PC-15.99+tax plus OPTIONAL DLC 32.00= 47.99

PS3
versions will cost between $8-12 more than ME2 versions for 360 or PC
versions, and keep in mind nobody has CONFIRMED WHAT DLC will be on the
PS3 version.

Still feel ripped off and betrayed after going
through this price breakdown??

Just thought I'd post that for them. SO remember, we're paying for the dlc too. If we got the DLC free, we'd be only paying $20 for ME2.

the people in support of this keep changing their reason. its new for you so it should full price according to everyone else posting because xbox has had it for a year. if you were paying for the dlc it would be 59.99 plus 30 bucks

[Jamin101]

Koomazaz wrote...

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

Bioware killing your babies
360/PC fans being crucified like jesus
PS3 owners are spawns of Satan.
EA brought the Holocaust.

Nope.  Bobby Kotick is Adolf Hitler.  Activision brought the holocaust.

nice way to trivialize the death of 11 million people including 6 million jews. i hate how its become cool to use hitler, if someone is complaining or disagreeing just call them hitler/****. i remember when people used to debate points

[Elite Midget]

I have a legit concern!



What if the PS3 gets better box art?!



Instead of Thane and Miranda they get the more awesome Garrus and Ashley!?!

[FearMonkey]

Catching up to the thread with my own 2 cents:

SSV Enterprise wrote...
To that I would say: Bull****.  Final Fantasy XIII came to the 360, there should be nothing on the technical side of things holding MGS4 and UC2 back.

FFXIII on the 360 had compressed video (the CG cutscenes were 1080p on PS3 and 720p compressed with Bink Video on 360) and audio (Dolby Digital 5.1 on 360 instead of uncompressed 7.1 LPCM on PS3) and was split across 3 discs. It was far superior on PS3 because they used so much space on the Blu-Ray. Of course, there was still room for a Japanese language track. I'm still bitter about that. <_<
What is holding UC2 back from being multi-platform is it's a first-party game. Sony owns the IP and the developer who made the game (Naughty Dog).

durasteel wrote...
You are always better off waiting for months to buy new titles.  Wait until their $30 or $20, and packaged with DLC... and have a couple of patches to fix the launch bugs.  That's the smart thing to do.
None of us do that.

I am usually the same way. For Fallout New Vegas however I changed my tack a bit. I'm going to wait for the New Vegas GOTY edition to hit next year's Holiday Steam Sale. Normally I would've bought it day one, but they announced the exclusive DLC for the 360 version the day before the game went on sale. That really pissed me off and that's why I'm waiting. Thankfully Bioware announces their exclusivity way ahead of time.

Elite Midget wrote...
Umm... FF13 on the 360 is a 'far' inferior game compared to the PS3 version. Compressed this, all these discs here, and basically an overall unpleasent experience. With the sales they got from the 360 I wonder why Square even bothered.

Because Microsoft paid them to, probably.
It's also probably why they used that Leona Lewis crap instead of Kimi ga Iru Kara which was written specifically for this game.
I'm still bitter about that. <_<

SSV Enterprise wrote...
The 360 version actually got an overall better score on Metacritic than the PS3 version.
Whether or not the graphics had to be trimmed down a bit is beside the point. The point is that it was possible to port FFXIII to the 360, so it should certainly be possible for MGS4 and UC2 to be ported, if the developers were to try. We know they won't, though.

First of all, as I said, Uncharted 2 is a first-party exclusive. No way is that going to 360.
Secondly, The 360 version scored higher on Metacritic because there were less reviews of the 360 version. That's why Metacritic needs a standard deviation so that their numbers make a bit more sense.
Of course I just checked Metacritic and the PS3 version is a point higher than the 360 version currently, with 54 reviews for the 360 version and 100 reviews for the PS3 version.

THWIP71 wrote...It's just another IP available for the PS3 library.  If you only own a PS3, you've had enough games to keep you busy, so you likely weren't waiting the last couple years, twiddling your thumbs and hoping a (supposedly) exclusive franchise would make the jump to your chosen console.

I thank you for not being like the PS3 naysayers that keep saying there are no games on the system. I was getting a bit tired of hearing that.

Modifié par FearMonkey, 08 novembre 2010 - 09:16 .

[keldana]

Jamin101 wrote...

your trying to come off as right and everyone else is just a jealous idiot. everyone knows games go down in price no one is complaining about that. but the fact is if i go but me2 for xbox i still have to pay for dlc and ps3 users dont. yet i waited just as long as they did. how is that fair?

Show me the part of Jesses post, which says "Xbox360 won´t get a DLC containing version for full price near the release of the PS3 version" ???

Stop complaining "right now" till 1 month after PS3 release ... if there THEN still is no XBox360 version with the DLCs on disk, restart what you are doing NOW.

Or ... if we get some info into this direction, you can start after getting it (the info) for sure.

Modifié par keldana, 08 novembre 2010 - 09:45 .

[ReveurIngenu]

Let's quote Jesse Houston's post, shall we:

"This interactive comic's initial release will be exclusive to PS3 owners
who would be otherwise unable to realize the full effect of choice in
the Mass Effect universe and will be included on the Cerberus Network."

"Initial"..."Initial"...come on, say it with me,"initial".   This implies that the interactive comic will be made available to the Xbox360 and PC later on after the PS3 release of it.  Thus you whiners really need to get over it!  You're getting everything the PS3 is getting!

[spacehamsterZH]

FearMonkey wrote...
What is holding UC2 back from being multi-platform is it's a first-party game. Sony owns the IP and the developer who made the game (Naughty Dog).

Let's call a spade a spade here, though - a BIG chunk of Uncharted 2's appeal (I would say most of it, but your mileage may vary) is in the visuals, and while it would certainly be possible to port the game to 360, there's no way it would look as good. I have both consoles, and there flat-out isn't a game on the 360 with graphics like Uncharted 2. Same problem with MGS4 - the 360 doesn't do proper full HD. Although with MGS4 I guess it's debatable if the game needs to go all-out on the visuals to be appealing.

[Dust_King]

Jamin101 wrote...

Dust_King wrote...

@THWIP71: I still don't see what your issue is. By your logic ME2 is new to anyone who hasn't played it, because "games aren't perishable goods."

What seems to annoy you is that some people buying the game for the first time don't have to pay as much as you due to them getting the DLC for free, am I right so far?

So why didn't you ditch Bioware when they dropped the retail price on 360 by $50? (price at gamestop)

It is exactly the same thing, people are getting something for less than you paid because they waited.

...unless it's the fact that it's no longer exclusive to 360 which is annoying you?

your trying to come off as right and everyone else is just a jealous idiot. everyone knows games go down in price no one is complaining about that. but the fact is if i go but me2 for xbox i still have to pay for dlc and ps3 users dont. yet i waited just as long as they did. how is that fair?

Your missing my point. Bioware probably intends to sell the game as a whole, not just seperately as a 'main game' and 'extra content'. As it stands now the DCL is part of the game, you just had to buy it separately (as EA now seems to have a obsession with selling DLC). Now they have a chance to sell it all as a single package as they want people to play it.

What was DLC is now main game content, and that game is cheeper because it is old.

Ok I might be rambling a bit:unsure: My main point is this:

Would you be happier if instead of being $69 including the extra content the game was released new for $39 (a fair price compared to the 360/pc versions) with the DLC being $30? I don't see what's wrong with that? 

[uzivatel]

Jesse Houston wrote...

BioWare Edmonton (the group that made Mass Effect 2) teamed up with the fine folks at Dark Horse Comics to create an interactive backstory.  While I can't release all the details about this yet, what I can tell you is that we want to create a stunning visual experience that not only tells the core story elements of  Mass Effect 1, but also is fully interactive allowing you to be faced with some of the major choices which will have consequences your Mass Effect universe.

It would be nice if DAO events got similar treatment in DA2.
While its probably not as important here, it would be nice to have as BioWare tends to make canon heroes douches.

Why not make it XBLA/PSN game? Bundle it with some 240MP worth of exclusive in-game items (armours, weapons and some trinkets) and sell it for like 400MP week or two prior the main game as a part of the promotion.

Modifié par uzivatel, 08 novembre 2010 - 10:29 .

[SSV Enterprise]

Jamin101 wrote...

SSV Enterprise wrote...

charmingcharlie wrote...

SSV Enterprise you have already posted that Jesus rubbish once in here stop spamming the topic, if you wanted to direct someone to that rubbish you could have at least linked to it.

If you want I could repost my entire updated version of your Jesus fable where the wealthy land owner ended up destitute because of questionable working practices and the fact no one would work for the land owner any more because he was a con artist.

Personally I find it rather shocking how quickly Bioware are devaluing their products and it doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the Mass Effect brand if less than a year later they have to practically give everything away just to get people to buy their game.

Whoa whoa whoa, why the hostility?  "Rubbish"?  Fine, if you're so hostile as to argue what I posted to make a single point, then so be it.

What the landowner does with his money is his business.  He wouldn't have trouble finding workers, because he was still paying the men he hired early in the morning a fair day's wage, compared to other employers.  In fact, workers should flock to him, since he even if he hires men late in the day he pays them a full day's wage.

Same with BioWare.  The sold ME2 for a full, fair price at its release, which has since come down.  People have no right to whine that the PS3 players get the DLC if they found the game and the DLC to be an agreeable price in the first place.  That price hasn't gone up.

last i checked dinosaurs existed so im with her, quit with that rubbish

It's not like I am preaching or anything.  Just using Jesus' parable to make a point.

And the Bible doesn't make any sort of claim that dionsaurs never existed.  In fact, a passage in Job may even describe a live dinosaur, depending on how you interpret it.

Modifié par SSV Enterprise, 08 novembre 2010 - 10:37 .

[Pacifien]

This thread is for discussion of the PS3 port of ME2. It is not a debate of religion. It is not a debate about history. Real life sociopolitical issues do not blend well with a gaming forum. Get back on topic, and remember to keep it civil when debating contrary views.

[CrossX5]

Thanks for the Clarification and I absolutely cannot wait to play ME2 on my PS3.



And definitely cannot wait for new gameplay running on the PS3 version.

[headphones]

[Edit: No, you don't get to have the last word on a discussion I've already said isn't allowed to happen. Take it to PM. Thanks. -- Pacifien]

Modifié par Pacifien, 08 novembre 2010 - 10:59 .

[Weiser_Cain]

How very corporate.

[Wonderllama4]

Xbox owners get to experience the full length, cinematic greatness that is Mass Effect 1 in its entirety. PS3 owners get... a comic.



Why are people whining again?? It's pretty obvious who wins here.

[Lard]

1) A comic book is not going to make up for PS3 owners not getting the first game.



2) "Also included is, as on Xbox 360 and PC, an access code to the Cerberus Network. This will give you instant access to the same great lineup of Downloadable Content such as Zaeed and Firewalker. "



If it's not on the disc, I'm not buying the game. I understand that 360 discs are smaller and hold less content, but putting *part* of the game on Blu-Ray and charging us for DLC as well is flat out gouging.

[Lard]

Bennyjammin79 wrote...

Lard wrote...
1) A comic book is not going to make up for PS3 owners not getting the first game.

This.

Lard wrote...
2) "Also included is, as on Xbox 360 and PC, an access code to the Cerberus Network. This will give you instant access to the same great lineup of Downloadable Content such as Zaeed and Firewalker. "

If it's not on the disc, I'm not buying the game. I understand that 360 discs are smaller and hold less content, but putting *part* of the game on Blu-Ray and charging us for DLC as well is flat out gouging.

You will get the same amount of free content as everybody else did. After that you'll have to buy it, just like everybody else. If you don't like it or consider that gouging, then don't get the game.

There's absolutely no reason for DLC on a Blu-Ray. If they can fit all of the DLC content on a disc for Dragon Age Ultimate Edition, they can fit it on for the release of Mass Effect 2. This is a total bilking of customers on Bioware's part.