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[Lard]

That's not the point. The point is they are forcing me to have it on a format I don't want, or do without.



Not acceptable choices.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Will the other comics be available in the game too at a later point? It'd be neat to get the liara, aria, bailey, and illusive man comics as well. (I imagine the prologue is voiced and has "motion comic" stuff going...?

[Drakkhenden]

What it comes down to is this. Bioware has no control over what EA choses to do to make money. They want to bring on board PS3 owners to be ME fans and that's great. But they also know they can still sell 360 owners DLC and make more money. 360 owners are getting shafted here IMO. I bought ME2 when it first came out. I paid 59.99. I haven't bought any of the Paid dlc as I was waiting for a stand alone disc(Seems only Rockstar gets people want that), or a price drop. I don't pay for XBL gold as the stuff you get on it isn't worth the price, so the fact that the ME2 dlc was discounted for gold members does nothing for me.



As it stands I will still buy Bioware games, but I will never again buy them new. I will buy them used. That way if there is DLC I want it won't cost nearly as much.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Or you could wait to buy it new when it is at half the cost in order to offset project ten dollar.

[comicfan22]

So Bioware is damned if they do and damned if they don't? Get real people!  I tried to explain why Bioware would do what they were doing and it falls on deaf ears here. Enjoy your whining and impertinents because it, too will fall on deaf ears.<_<

[Major Alenko]

 All Lies, developers have to say that, Bioware wouldn't of made a PS3 port if EA hadn't of made them

[Saibh]

Lard wrote...

No, it isn't. It's called a consumer's choice not to be swindled, gouged or bilked. Because that's what happens when you buy DLC.

'Kay, let me explain DLC to you:

Downloadable content is (usually) not content that was made for the main game that was cut out later to be sold and held at ransom.

It is seperate material made on a seperate timetable with a mostly different team. You don't want any DLC to exist? Well, guess what. Kasumi, Zaeed, and Overlord wouldn't exist. Shadow Broker might've, as it's a bridging DLC. But, if they really wanted to, they wouldn't have to give you a DLC in the interim and simply explained to you Liara hunted down and became the Shadow Broker.

Sometimes it is content they ran out of time for--take Shale. In DAO's original development cycle, she was meant to be included in the game. But she was cut out due to time constraints. However, launch was delayed, and they were able to finish her and sell her as DLC.

DLC was made to be DLC. You are being deprived nothing.

Are you missing something from the game, is it somehow no longer playable if Kasumi or Zaeed didn't exist? No. You wouldn't even know the difference. Instead, you're given extra content that wouldn't even exist otherwise, and you are free to decide whether or not it is worth it to you.

And I think Shadow Broker benefited enormously by being released after the main game. It was an amazing improvement and an excellent achievement on ME1 and ME2. Probably the best portion of ME2, hands down. I gladly pay the price for that quality.

Modifié par Saibh, 09 novembre 2010 - 01:54 .

[SSV Enterprise]

I'm not so sure I buy that excuse. The Dragon Age 2 devs have said that the development of DA2 went faster than they expected, allowing them to release the game a little more than a year after the first. However, they are still having a separate DLC character at launch. Why? If it was a matter of development time, they should have been fine pushing the release back a bit in order to fully integrate the character in the game. When it comes to characters made available at release, that is shameless removal of the character in order to make it downloadable. It's not a huge problem, because you still get the character for free if you buy new, but let's not pretend it is because of development reasons.

[Saibh]

SSV Enterprise wrote...

I'm not so sure I buy that excuse. The Dragon Age 2 devs have said that the development of DA2 went faster than they expected, allowing them to release the game a little more than a year after the first. However, they are still having a separate DLC character at launch. Why? If it was a matter of development time, they should have been fine pushing the release back a bit in order to fully integrate the character in the game. When it comes to characters made available at release, that is shameless removal of the character in order to make it downloadable. It's not a huge problem, because you still get the character for free if you buy new, but let's not pretend it is because of development reasons.

...But...I explained that Kasumi and Zaeed were deliberately planned as DLC characters. Shale wasn't--Shale was a cut character.

This new character, by the devs own admission, was only designed as a DLC character. If they didn't want DLC to exist, s/he wouldn't either.

[AdamNW]

The first page of this thread is a perfect example of why BW doesn't "cater to fans" (I say this is quotes for a reason). Seriously, quit ****ing at every waking moment and try to think without a hint of pessimism for once.



Anyway, cool stuff.

[VettoRyouzou]

I myself must admit I'm not to happy about this exclusive stuff, I have been loyal to mass effect but just case I wanted to keep my Shepard story going on were he started I am slapped on the hands for it? I mean I’m all for catching the ps3 up hell even launch the terminus armor out for DLC on both that fair in my book.



But cutting loyal fans out case the ps3 need to play catch up is a crap kind of move.

[VettoRyouzou]

mrsph wrote...

AdamNW wrote...

The first page of this thread is a perfect example of why BW doesn't "cater to fans" (I say this is quotes for a reason). Seriously, quit ****ing at every waking moment and try to think without a hint of pessimism for once.

Anyway, cool stuff.

The official forums of a form of media are literally never happy, existing only to gripe about everything.

I disagree this forum is rather positive most the time, Only when people have the right to be upset, It some people aren't understanding are point, were not upset about the comic, or the fact they get allot of DLC we had to pay extra for relativity Free. None of that is bugging everyone what annoying us is the fact there getting an Exclusive armor when there no reason for it. The only armor the ps3 missing out on is the Terminus which more then just ps3 owners missed out on and as a person who owns it I'm all for it being released to everyone.

But none the less as I said giving them an exclusive armor case there late to the party that not fair to loyal fans.

[SSV Enterprise]

There's been no word on an exclusive armor for the PS3.

[Lard]

Saibh wrote...

'Kay, let me explain DLC to you:

You can be as patronising as you like, it doesn't change the fact you are 100% wrong.

DLC is content that is held back from the original release, in order to bilk, gounge, and swindle consumers out of more money. There is no good reason for DLC except for greed. Fact.

I would be happy to pay for ME2 at full price if I were getting the full game.

But the fact that content exists that is not on the disc means I am not.

Therefore Bioware have no right to expect me to pay full price for an incomplete product.

Modifié par Lard, 09 novembre 2010 - 03:10 .

[elfdwarf]

about this dlc Recon Operations Pack

[Saibh]

Lard wrote...

Saibh wrote...

'Kay, let me explain DLC to you:

You can be as patronising as you like, it doesn't change the fact you are 100% wrong.

DLC is content that is held back from the original release, in order to bilk, gounge, and swindle consumers out of more money. There is no good reason for DLC except for greed. Fact.

I would be happy to pay for ME2 at full price if I were getting the full game.

But the fact that content exists that is not on the disc means I am not.

Therefore Bioware have no right to expect me to pay full price for an incomplete product.

Prove it, Mr Facts.

[cerberus1701]

Bennyjammin79 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...
*snip*

You're a little late.  And I know they aren't getting it "free". Go play somewhere else.

As soon as you and your ilk drop the sense of entitlement/poorly disguised fanboyism.

[Lard]

Saibh wrote...
Prove it, Mr Facts.

There are examples of Namco and Capcom putting game modes or items on the discs and then charging for them to be unlocked.(Tales and Resident Evil)

Map packs for first person shooters could easily be included with games, but are held back to make more money.

Costumes/skins/unlockable characters for games like Uncharted, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Folklore, and even the upcoming Dragon Age 2 as someone pointed out.

Horse armour.

There are repeated consistent examples of content being removed from games to make an extra buck, and I will not support it. Not with one cent of my own money.

DLC is bad for consumers and bad for the gaming industry, and if you can't see that, you're utterly blind.

Modifié par Lard, 09 novembre 2010 - 03:26 .

[Lord_Valandil]

Lard wrote...

Saibh wrote...
Prove it, Mr Facts.

There are examples of Namco and Capcom putting game modes or items on the discs and then charging for them to be unlocked.(Tales and Resident Evil)

Yes, that's true.
RE5 is a perfect example. Lost Planet 2 too.

[Saibh]

Lard wrote...

Saibh wrote...
Prove it, Mr Facts.

There are examples of Namco and Capcom putting game modes or items on the discs and then charging for them to be unlocked.(Tales and Resident Evil)

Map packs for first person shooters could easily be included with games, but are held back to make more money.

Costumes/skins/unlockable characters for games like Uncharted, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Folklore, and even the upcoming Dragon Age 2 as someone pointed out.

Horse armour.

There are repeated consistent examples of content being removed from games to make an extra buck, and I will not support it. Not with one cent of my own money.

DLC is bad for consumers and bad for the gaming industry, and if you can't see that, you're utterly blind.

How do the examples of those companies prove what this company does? It doesn't.

You haven't proved to me that BioWare is releasing content and characters--save perhaps LotSB--that was cut from the entire game to be sold to you seperately, instead of developed on their own. I should think the very nature of Zaeed and Kasumi as not-quite-full companions makes it obvious they were. I don't think the DLC companions should be like that, but they are clearly different.

Clearly, you're never going to believe that BioWare is doing anything other than trying to steal from you like the meanies they are. Despite them not holding you at gunpoint. Despite not needing Zaeed or Kasumi for anything. Despite them just being extra companions and not entire modes of the game.

You know why expacs existed? Because they needed to make the content long enough to warrant being sold as a disc at a retailer's store. They couldn't possibly afford to make anything less. That games sell seperate content to boost sales is something that has been consistently done for years.

Modifié par Saibh, 09 novembre 2010 - 03:51 .

[Lord_Valandil]

Saibh wrote...

Lard wrote...

Saibh wrote...
Prove it, Mr Facts.

There are examples of Namco and Capcom putting game modes or items on the discs and then charging for them to be unlocked.(Tales and Resident Evil)

Map packs for first person shooters could easily be included with games, but are held back to make more money.

Costumes/skins/unlockable characters for games like Uncharted, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Folklore, and even the upcoming Dragon Age 2 as someone pointed out.

Horse armour.

There are repeated consistent examples of content being removed from games to make an extra buck, and I will not support it. Not with one cent of my own money.

DLC is bad for consumers and bad for the gaming industry, and if you can't see that, you're utterly blind.

How do the examples of those companies prove what this company does? It doesn't.

You haven't proved to me that BioWare is releasing content and characters--save perhaps LotSB--that was cut from the entire game to be sold to you seperately, instead of developed on their own. I should think the very nature of Zaeed and Kasumi as not-quite-full companions makes it obvious they were. I don't think the DLC companions should be like that, but they are clearly different.

Clearly, you're never going to believe that BioWare is doing anything than try to steal from you like the meanies they are. Despite them not holding you at gunpoint. Despite not needing Zaeed or Kasumi for anything. Despite them just being extra companions and not entire modes of the game.

You know why expacs existed? Because they needed to make the content long enough to warrant being sold as a disc at a retailer's store. They couldn't possibly afford to make anything less. That games sell seperate content to boost sales is something that has been consistently done for years.

This. I agree with Saibh. Though Lard is right about Capcom and other shameless companies.

[Weiser_Cain]

mrsph wrote...

AdamNW wrote...

The first page of this thread is a perfect example of why BW doesn't "cater to fans" (I say this is quotes for a reason). Seriously, quit ****ing at every waking moment and try to think without a hint of pessimism for once.

Anyway, cool stuff.

The official forums of a form of media are literally never happy, existing only to gripe about everything.

Not true, I remember happy times back on the old bioware forums.