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[Cornelian]

Yep Bann, but until that release, we don't know yet what the i-comic could really do on pc and xbox versions.

[Bann Duncan]

I don't know if you've ever played MDK 2 (a BioWare game from 11 years ago) but the beginning of the game is this voiced comic showing the backstory of the the game (events of the first and so on) - I'd imagine the interactive comic would be somewhat like it but with decision prompts at key points.



MASS EFFECT 1 spoilers below.
[Edit: NO SPOILERS ALLOWED in this forum. Says it right in the forum title. - Pacifien]

Modifié par Pacifien, 09 novembre 2010 - 03:05 .

[keldana]

erm ... "no spoilers allowed" !!!

[Da_Lion_Man]

keldana wrote...

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

This is not a great series at all. Mass Effect 1 was pretty nice but Mass Effect 2 is average at best.

Sure it is ... ME2 is the best game I played so far ... and I played a lot in my 33 year life.

ME2 isn´t perfect ... for sure ... but it was a very big improvement to part 1.

Some things are not so well ... like

1.) load screen instead of elevators (etc.)
2.) nearly every shop gave discount, doesn´t matter how you acted to the owner
3.) stupid "end fight" ... suicide mission is great until that human baby reaper
4.) 95% of the missions are "pure" fighting
 
but hey ... improvements in grafics, gameplay and a lot of other things made this few things looking very very small.

The story and the RPG elements were heavily flawed though. It was also repetitive and most characters serve no purpose. I think it downright sucks.

[keldana]

hmmm ... in the game I played, the RPG elements were better than in part 1 ... story as good as part 1 ...

[Da_Lion_Man]

keldana wrote...

hmmm ... in the game I played, the RPG elements were better than in part 1 ... story as good as part 1 ...

You've got to be kidding me... the RPG elements in ME2 are so poorly implemented that they became practically non-existent.

And story as good as part 1? Come on... The story is seriously lacking on all levels, except for eye candy. The plot is dull, feels irrelevant to the trilogy and universe, has more filler than your average anime series, is full of nonsensical scenes and plotholes, had some very lame villains... it goes on and on.
 

[Fdingo]

Wow, does every topic have to turn into ME1 vs ME2 debate?

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

keldana wrote...

hmmm ... in the game I played, the RPG elements were better than in part 1 ... story as good as part 1 ...

You've got to be kidding me... the RPG elements in ME2 are so poorly implemented that they became practically non-existent.

And story as good as part 1? Come on... The story is seriously lacking on all levels, except for eye candy. The plot is dull, feels irrelevant to the trilogy and universe, has more filler than your average anime series, is full of nonsensical scenes and plotholes, had some very lame villains... it goes on and on.
 

There's already a thread if you want to complain about ME2.. -.-

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

Fdingo wrote...

Wow, does every topic have to turn into ME1 vs ME2 debate?

^ This.. I thought this topic was about ME2 PS3.

[da 2pacalypse]

this is good news

[Lard]

The Elite Elite wrote...
1) So you believe that ALL DLC is content that would've been in the game at release were it not for the DLC system being in place?

2)You really think that Bioware decided to sit on content like Wich Hunt for over half a year before releasing it for us to buy and then play and enjoy?

1) Yes. Last gen proves that.

2) It is not implausible to believe that companies hold back content and space it out for extra money.

[Da_Lion_Man]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

keldana wrote...

hmmm ... in the game I played, the RPG elements were better than in part 1 ... story as good as part 1 ...

You've got to be kidding me... the RPG elements in ME2 are so poorly implemented that they became practically non-existent.

And story as good as part 1? Come on... The story is seriously lacking on all levels, except for eye candy. The plot is dull, feels irrelevant to the trilogy and universe, has more filler than your average anime series, is full of nonsensical scenes and plotholes, had some very lame villains... it goes on and on.
 

There's already a thread if you want to complain about ME2.. -.-

That's the spoiler forum, I can't access it because of that stupid code you have to fill in.

[Pacifien]

Not being able to access a forum does not give you leeway to co-opt a thread to suit your purposes. This is not a thread to compare ME1 to ME2.

[Da_Lion_Man]

Pacifien wrote...

Not being able to access a forum does not give you leeway to co-opt a thread to suit your purposes. This is not a thread to compare ME1 to ME2.

Can you help me with my problem kind sir/madam?

[morrie23]

You need to own ME2, if you don't you're going to struggle to get the code to access the spoiler forum.

[Saibh]

Lard wrote...

I don't have to prove anything to you. That and you say I haven't proved anything, and then turn around and provide an example on your own.

I've made a decision about my purchasing habits, based on consistent, repeated habits of the gaming industry. It's up to Bioware to earn my money, not the other way round. They should be doing everything they can to bring in new potential customers - not just slapping in a half assed comic book and some content in a format that people don't want.

Sorry, I didn't mean you proved anything to me--that was a concession I made in my initial post, if you want to scan over it again.

What should they do? I mean...free DLC? The ability to port your decisions without needing ME (which they'll probably never get due to liscensing issues)? The knowledge that it's a superb game considered GOTY material, and has actually already won one of those awards? I suppose BioWare could include a brand new mission on the PS3, but then the rest of us would feel sorely left out, almost as if we're punished for buying it on the systems it originally came on.

There's little they can do to dress up a PS3 port without hurting some sides.

keldana wrote...

Sorry, but you are WRONG !!!

You want a proof ??? No problem IN THIS CASE !!!

Long time ago, Bioware told the people, that a release of ME2 will happen in the future. One of the things we were told was, that we will get the chance to recrut 12 (in words twelve) members for our squad.

Go into the game and count ... and you will be noticing, that you only have 12 (in words twelve) WITH Zaeed AND Kasumi.

So from the first words of ME2, it was clear that Zaeed AND Kasumi were planned IN the game.

Zaeed was used for trying to avoid second hand market ... Kasumi to get more money out of the game market, which resists increase of price.

For the future, Bioware (and any other company) will look better what infos they gave to their "fans" ... so it will be more complicated to look through their doings. But you can still be sure ... A LOT OF DLC is cut of out of games ... for several reasons. 

And this is only because a lot of people BUY DLC. If they won´t, the companys wouldn´t get money out of it and stop this ****.

...Yes I know they were. I said that. That doesn't change the fact that DLC was created on a separate timetable with a mostly separate team, and I believe on a separate budget. As I said--it was made to be DLC. If DLC did not exist, than Zaeed and Kasumi wouldn't. They told you twelve teammates because that's as many as you'd end up getting.

Again. For emphasis: DLC, for BioWare, was made to be DLC. If EA or Microsoft or the Doctors said "Hey, guys, we're not doing DLC anymore!" than it's not like Zaeed and Kasumi would have become magically integrated into the game. No. They just wouldn't have been made to begin with. That separate team wouldn't have made those extra two characters. And you would never have known the difference.

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

Can you help me with my problem kind sir/madam?

I'm pretty sure you need registered games, do you not?

Modifié par Saibh, 09 novembre 2010 - 04:34 .

[Saibh]

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Modifié par Saibh, 09 novembre 2010 - 04:34 .

[Dave of Canada]

keldana wrote...

So from the first words of ME2, it was clear that Zaeed AND Kasumi were planned IN the game.

Planned, yes.
Added, no.
Completed at a later time using different funding and different time than the original game, yes.

[Lard]

Saibh wrote...

1. What should they do? I mean...free DLC? The ability to port your decisions without needing ME (which they'll probably never get due to liscensing issues)? The knowledge that it's a superb game considered GOTY material, and has actually already won one of those awards? I suppose BioWare could include a brand new mission on the PS3, but then the rest of us would feel sorely left out, almost as if we're punished for buying it on the systems it originally came on.

2. There's little they can do to dress up a PS3 port without hurting some sides.

3....Yes I know they were. I said that. That doesn't change the fact that DLC was created on a separate timetable with a mostly separate team, and I believe on a separate budget. As I said--it was made to be DLC. If DLC did not exist, than Zaeed and Kasumi wouldn't. They told you twelve teammates because that's as many as you'd end up getting.

1. You're obviously not listening or not reading. I don't want free DLC. I want the full game on the disc. That is not an unreasonable request.

2. Boo hoo. They're giving us the second game of a trilogy, while not giving us the first. They should be doing everything they can to entice us. We're supposed to miss out just because you don't want us to have extra content? Get over yourself.

3. If it's not on the disc, then the game is incomplete. Period.

[Dave of Canada]

Lard wrote...

1. You're obviously not listening or not reading. I don't want free DLC. I want the full game on the disc. That is not an unreasonable request.

And what defines "full game"? You want EVERYTHING for free on the disc because it's the "full game"?

2. Boo hoo. They're giving us the second game of a trilogy, while not giving us the first. They should be doing everything they can to entice us. We're supposed to miss out just because you don't want us to have extra content? Get over yourself.

Mass Effect 1 is unable to ever come out on PS3, it was made with Microsoft and that causes a lot of trouble with the series because... you know... contracts and such. They either give PS3 a half-assed Mass Effect series or they give them extra content to make up for it.

3. If it's not on the disc, then the game is incomplete. Period.

In your opinion.

[Saibh]

Lard wrote...

1. You're obviously not listening or not reading. I don't want free DLC. I want the full game on the disc. That is not an unreasonable request.

No, no, no--I'm saying that's what they're giving you to dress-up the PS3 release. Free DLC.

2. Boo hoo. They're giving us the second game of a trilogy, while not giving us the first. They should be doing everything they can to entice us. We're supposed to miss out just because you don't want us to have extra content? Get over yourself.

I'm pretty sure they can't. Licensing and all that. ME wasn't ported to the 360--it was ported to the PC. Microsoft may own complete rights to the original title and not be giving it up. Besides that...how well do you really think a three-year-old game is going to do? 

There will always be more 360 and PC players than PS3 players, and they certainly don't want to ruffle their main player base by giving you an entirely free mission, while the rest of us who played the game on it's original platforms miss out on something. I wouldn't mind if there was free DLC on your disc that we had to pay for--but us not getting anything at all?

3. If it's not on the disc, then the game is incomplete. Period.

Oh, really? So, even though absolutely nothing is being detracted from the game by not having Kasumi and Zaeed there or their missions, it's somehow an incomplete experience? Even though if they were never there because no DLC existed as it wouldn't in your perfect world, and you wouldn't know the difference, it somehow means that the game isn't complete? 

Explain expacs to me, then. DLC being offered online is new--seperate material made to boost sales is not. This is an old idea that the gaming industry has always had.

Modifié par Saibh, 09 novembre 2010 - 04:58 .

[keldana]

Saibh wrote...

...Yes I know they were. I said that. That doesn't change the fact that DLC was created on a separate timetable with a mostly separate team, and I believe on a separate budget. As I said--it was made to be DLC. If DLC did not exist, than Zaeed and Kasumi wouldn't. They told you twelve teammates because that's as many as you'd end up getting.

Again. For emphasis: DLC, for BioWare, was made to be DLC. If EA or Microsoft or the Doctors said "Hey, guys, we're not doing DLC anymore!" than it's not like Zaeed and Kasumi would have become magically integrated into the game. No. They just wouldn't have been made to begin with. That separate team wouldn't have made those extra two characters. And you would never have known the difference.

You are wrong and blind.

Zaeed was "ready" at release. The only thing, why he was made to be DLC was to do get money from the second hand market or to make people buy the game new.

If the DLC thing wouldn´t exist to that point, both characters would be in the game, cause they had a place in the story.  If you aren´t able to see that ... that would really be sad.

Modifié par keldana, 09 novembre 2010 - 05:08 .

[Saibh]

keldana wrote...

You are wrong and blind.

Zaeed was "ready" at release. The only thing, why he was made to be DLC was to do get money from the second hand market or to make people buy the game new.

If the DLC thing wouldn´t exist to that point, both characters would be in the game, cause they had a place in the story.  If you aren´t able to see that ... that would really be sad.

And...you're just plain not listening to what I'm saying.

I know he was ready. Kasumi was too. Probably Overlord. There are traces of SB on the disc (some of Liara's lines, obvious things like "Liara DLC" files). I'm going to say this as clearly as I can:

DLC was developed separately. As in, there were the guys who did the main game, and then, alongside them but on a different team with a different budget, there were the guys who developed the DLC. The writers were probably told "Okay, we need ten main companions, and we want to fit two DLC companions in, too." and they wrote them.

The other team developed them. Upon release, at least Zaeed was ready. Perhaps Kasumi and Overlord, too. Now, this character that they had developed separately with a separate team on a separate budget they chose to do this wild thing with: make as a separate character, and package him with new games, selling him as DLC.

Now, let's say that the Doctors or Casey Hudson came in and said "Hey, we were going to do DLC but we think we're going overbudget if we do. So plan our ten squaddies, and don't worry about DLC". Those extra DLC characters wouldn't exist because they never got planned. They were never done with their separate DLC team. They were never going to be included.

Modifié par Saibh, 09 novembre 2010 - 05:30 .