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[charmingcharlie]

Lard wrote...

YOU HAVE THE BLOODY GAME. YOU DO NOT NEED THE COMIC.

Never in my life have I seen someone argue that they should receive an inferior product of something they already have.

But that is it the PC/360 crowd DO receive an inferior version of MASS EFFECT 2.  The PS3 version of Mass Effect 2 is better than the PC/360 version of Mass Effect 2.  If a PC/360 owner goes out and buys Mass Effect 2 but they do not own Mass Effect 1 then they are stuck with the vanilla crappy default decisions.

The PS3 owner gets an all in one package where they can alter decisions and play the Mass Effect 2 a PC/360 owner that just gets Mass Effect 2 cannot do that unless they spend even more money and buy Mass Effect 1.  So in reality PS3 users are getting a SUPERIOR Mass Effect 2 but a slightly weaker Mass Effect series experience.

Now for those saying "oh well PC/360 are getting it later" I wouldn't count my chickens till they are hatched.  I would say Jesse Houstons statement was incredibly vagued and does not specifically say that it will come to the PC/360.  If you want an "alternative" explanation to Jesse's statement then how about the fact it could mean the Mass Effect 1 interactive experience will be developed into a PRINTED comic.  So it is initially exclusive to the PS3 but will eventually be released as a NON-INTERACTIVE printed comic.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 13 novembre 2010 - 01:55 .

[Skilled Seeker]

Great post Charlie. Thats what I've been trying to say, ME1 is a different game that costs money and people shouldn't use it as an excuse for getting an inferior version of ME2. Each game in the ME series is supposed to be stand alone after all and shouldn't require runs of previous games to enjoy all the options it holds.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 13 novembre 2010 - 02:30 .

[10 Steps Back]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Lard wrote...

YOU HAVE THE BLOODY GAME. YOU DO NOT NEED THE COMIC.

Never in my life have I seen someone argue that they should receive an inferior product of something they already have.

But that is it the PC/360 crowd DO receive an inferior version of MASS EFFECT 2.  The PS3 version of Mass Effect 2 is better than the PC/360 version of Mass Effect 2.  If a PC/360 owner goes out and buys Mass Effect 2 but they do not own Mass Effect 1 then they are stuck with the vanilla crappy default decisions.

The PS3 owner gets an all in one package where they can alter decisions and play the Mass Effect 2 a PC/360 owner that just gets Mass Effect 2 cannot do that unless they spend even more money and buy Mass Effect 1.  So in reality PS3 users are getting a SUPERIOR Mass Effect 2 but a slightly weaker Mass Effect series experience.

Now for those saying "oh well PC/360 are getting it later" I wouldn't count my chickens till they are hatched.  I would say Jesse Houstons statement was incredibly vagued and does not specifically say that it will come to the PC/360.  If you want an "alternative" explanation to Jesse's statement then how about the fact it could mean the Mass Effect 1 interactive experience will be developed into a PRINTED comic.  So it is initially exclusive to the PS3 but will eventually be released as a NON-INTERACTIVE printed comic.

When it's vague it usually is confirmed:lol:.

Anyways that's why I believe EA should just use the loophole Team Ninja did and change the name of ME1 to something and just I don't know alter the gameplay to be more ME2 than 1 that way it can be considered a different game and still the main story experience will be the same.

I do agree with your overall statement but I just say give them exclusive but paid for DLC (yeah I guess I'm alone on that one lol^_^).

[Skilled Seeker]

No there should be no exclusives for any platform.

[Phaedon]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

No there should be no exclusives for any platform.

Exactly.

[10 Steps Back]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

No there should be no exclusives for any platform.

that's why I still leaning more on the loophole idea to get ME1 on PS3 then everyone will have everything with slight diffferences

[gethslayer7]

Phaedon wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

No there should be no exclusives for any platform.

Exactly.

agreed no exclusives for any platforms

[Lard]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

We will get to enjoy this really cool visual experience. Just at a later date than PS3 users.

No, you won't.

You have the comic, you're not getting something you don't need.

[charmingcharlie]

Lard wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

We will get to enjoy this really cool visual experience. Just at a later date than PS3 users.

No, you won't.

You have the comic, you're not getting something you don't need.

That is the point there are people on the PC/360 that DO NEED the comic.  At this current time if a PC/360 user buys Mass Effect 2 and they do not own Mass Effect 1 then they are stuck with the default decisions which are pretty crappy to say the least.  The only way for them to change the default decisions is if they then go out and pay more money to buy Mass Effect 1 (something people should factor in when they keep screaming "but but the PC/360 version is still cheaper").

There is a need for this "introductory module" on ALL platforms, there is absolutely no reason to keep it PS3 exclusive other than to "appease" a few fan boys that for some reason or another want to get "one over" on PC/360 users.

Now for those about to post "yeah well we can change the decisions using the save editor", I should add that the save editor is not supported by Bioware and they have stated that save games created or modified with the save game editor may not work with Mass Effect 3.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 13 novembre 2010 - 06:49 .

[Ryzaki]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Lard wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

We will get to enjoy this really cool visual experience. Just at a later date than PS3 users.

No, you won't.

You have the comic, you're not getting something you don't need.

That is the point there are people on the PC/360 that DO NEED the comic.  At this current time if a PC/360 user buys Mass Effect 2 and they do not own Mass Effect 1 then they are stuck with the default decisions which are pretty crappy to say the least.  The only way for them to change the default decisions is if they then go out and pay more money to buy Mass Effect 1 (something people should factor in when they keep screaming "but but the PC/360 version is still cheaper").

There is a need for this "introductory module" on ALL platforms, there is absolutely no reason to keep it PS3 exclusive other than to "appease" a few fan boys that for some reason or another want to get "one over" on PC/360 users.

Now for those about to post "yeah well we can change the decisions using the save editor", I should add that the save editor is not supported by Bioware and they have stated that save games created or modified with the save game editor may not work with Mass Effect 3.

They can buy Mass Effect one and then import their decisions to ME2.
So no they don't need the comic.

They might want it but they don't need it by any stretch of the imagination.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 novembre 2010 - 07:03 .

[charmingcharlie]

Ryzaki wrote...

They can buy Mass Effect one and then import their decisions to ME2.
So no they don't need the comic.

They might want it but they don't need it by any stretch of the imagination.

I am not disputing they have to BUY the game to be able to alter decisions that affect Mass Effect 2.  However there is a disparity right there if PC/360 users want to change the default decisions they have to BUY Mass Effect 2.  If PS3 users want to alter the default decisions in Mass Effect 2 then they don't have to BUY anything it all comes as a complete package.

So yes if someone on the PC/360 wants to get into Mass Effect 2 then they do need the comic so they can alter choices in the game without having to pay anything extra just like PS3 owners can.

Mass Effect 2 is a stand alone product, the PS3 is getting the superior version because they will be able to alter decisions that affect the gameplay.  On the other hand a PC/360 user buying Mass Effect 2 will get an inferior product because they will only be able to play Mass Effect 2 with the default decisions unless they pay yet more money to get Mass Effect 1.

[Ryzaki]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

They can buy Mass Effect one and then import their decisions to ME2.
So no they don't need the comic.

They might want it but they don't need it by any stretch of the imagination.

I am not disputing they have to BUY the game to be able to alter decisions that affect Mass Effect 2.  However there is a disparity right there if PC/360 users want to change the default decisions they have to BUY Mass Effect 2.  If PS3 users want to alter the default decisions in Mass Effect 2 then they don't have to BUY anything it all comes as a complete package.

So yes if someone on the PC/360 wants to get into Mass Effect 2 then they do need the comic so they can alter choices in the game without having to pay anything extra just like PS3 owners can.

Mass Effect 2 is a stand alone product, the PS3 is getting the superior version because they will be able to alter decisions that affect the gameplay.  On the other hand a PC/360 user buying Mass Effect 2 will get an inferior product because they will only be able to play Mass Effect 2 with the default decisions unless they pay yet more money to get Mass Effect 1.

THERE IS NO DISPARITY. Mass Effect is NOT AVAILABLE on the PS3. EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO BUY IT THEY CAN'T! 

All this complaining is ridculous. The comic is an abdirdged Mass Effect no more no less. If you're too lazy and cheap to buy the original when its available on your platform then you don't need to have the comic you just choose to stick with the default decisions.

They're getting the game a year late and without the original game. I say the free DLC and the comic is the least BW could do.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 novembre 2010 - 07:24 .

[charmingcharlie]

Ryzaki wrote...

THERE IS NO DISPARITY. Mass Effect is NOT AVAILABLE on the PS3. EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO BUY IT THEY CAN'T!

There is a disparity it is unbelievable you can't see it. It is a fact that PS3 users will be able to alter decisions if they own Mass Effect 2 but if PC/360 owners only own Mass Effect 2 they can't.  WOW look a disparity exists right there.

Ryzaki wrote...
All this complaining is ridculous. The comic is an abdirdged Mass Effect no more no less. If you're too lazy and cheap to buy the original when its available on your platform then you don't need to have the comic you just choose to stick with the default decisions.

Well I can go there too, if people are that bothered about the default decisions being used in the PS3 version then they should go out and buy a PC or 360 if it matters that much to them.  They don't need the comic either after all PC/360 users had to put up with playing the default decisions and that was just fine.

Ryzaki wrote...
They're getting the game a year late and without the original game. I say the free DLC and the comic is the least BW could do.

Actually no the least they could do for PS3 users is just release Mass Effect 2.   However Bioware are doing a bit better than that and giving PS3 owners a hell of a deal.  No one here is begrudging PS3 users getting the comic, it's just that comic should also be available for PC/360 users as well.  But for some bizarre reason some people on here have a problem with that.

I wonder why people have a problem with letting PC/360 users have access to the comic . After all it doesn't affect PS3 users in any way whatsoever if PC/360 users get the comic too.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 13 novembre 2010 - 07:37 .

[comicfan22]

A wild Ryzaki appears! Sweet merciful Jebus, another eloquent voice of reason. I have missed you.

[_FLANDERS]

THAT IS WHAT I LIKE TO HEAR FOR PS3.

[Ryzaki]

charmingcharlie wrote...



There is a disparity it is unbelievable you can't see it. It is a fact that PS3 users will be able to alter decisions if they own Mass Effect 2 but if PC/360 owners only own Mass Effect 2 they can't.  WOW look a disparity exists right there.

They can buy Mass Effect and then import their decisions. The way it was supposed to be. So no there is no disparity.

Look at it this way you're getting an awesome TV Show. Now someone else wants to get the box set but in their country for whatever reason they only sell the second season. So to be more fair to these customers th showmakers through in a bunch of goodies (tha you can still buy seperately!) for free to them. Now to get them up to speed on the first season they throw in a brief summarization of the last season.

What you're doing is demanding you get the summarization when you already have the option of buying the whole first season on DVD. <_<

Well I can go there too, if people are that bothered about the default decisions being used in the PS3 version then they should go out and buy a PC or 360 if it matters that much to them.  They don't need the comic either after all PC/360 users had to put up with playing the default decisions and that was just fine.

The PS3 owners don't have the choice to buy the game. The Xbox and PC users do. So no it is not the same. The Xbox/PC users chose not to buy ME1 and import their decisons. The PS3 users don't get that choice.
What about that is hard to comprehend? 

Actually no the least they could do for PS3 users is just release Mass Effect 2.   However Bioware are doing a bit better than that and giving PS3 owners a hell of a deal.  No one here is begrudging PS3 users getting the comic, it's just that comic should also be available for PC/360 users as well.  But for some bizarre reason some people on here have a problem with that.

I wonder why people have a problem with letting PC/360 users have access to the comic . After all it doesn't affect PS3 users in any way whatsoever if PC/360 users get the comic too.

The game is a year old. Mass Effect is not going to the PS3. They would have to release the game at the same price ME2 is now on the Xbox if they wanted to be "fair" since they're charging a 60 dollar price tag the least they could do is give ME2 along with the comic and DLC. To be fair ME1 would need to go to the PS3 but since its not the fairest thing they can do is give them the comic along with the DLC.

I have no problem with them having access. But this ridculous "I should have the comic!" demands are retarded. You don't deserve the comic. You don't need the comic. You would like the comic. So stop complaining about BW not being fair and just wait to see if the comic ever comes out for Xbox/PC.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 novembre 2010 - 07:57 .

[charmingcharlie]

Ryzaki wrote...

They can buy Mass Effect and then import their decisions. The way it was supposed to be. So no there is no disparity.

The fact you won't accept there is a disparity between the PS3 version of Mass Effect 2 and the PC/360 version shows how close minded you are.  Let me remind you again what the word "disparity" means :-

dictionary .....
lack of similarity or equality

Now PS3 Mass Effect 2 allows you to alter decisions that will affect the game, the PC/360 version of Mass Effect 2 does not allow you to do that.  Hm that sounds like a lack of similarity or equality there.  It is irrelevant whether PC/360 users can go out and BUY and additional game.  It is relevant that in one version you can do something that you can not do in another version hence there is a disparity.

Now I freely admit there is a disparity in the Mass Effect series between PS3 and PC/360 users which is unfortunate and unfair on PS3 users.  However you don't fix things by creating yet more disparity which is what the PS3 version of Mass Effect 2 is doing.

Ryzaki wrote...

The PS3 owners don't have the choice to buy the game. The Xbox and PC users do. So no it is not the same. The Xbox/PC users chose not to buy ME1 and import their decisons. The PS3 users don't get that choice.
What about that is hard to comprehend?

If you are going to turn around and tell people to buy Mass Effect 1 if they are that bothered about not being able to alter decisions in Mass Effect 2 then I think it is equally fair to say the same thing to PS3 users then.  If missing out on Mass Effect 1 is such a massive burden then there are plenty of choices open to them to play the Mass Effect series

Ryzaki wrote...

The game is a year old. Mass Effect is not going to the PS3. They would have to release the game at the same price ME2 is now on the Xbox if they wanted to be "fair" since they're charging a 60 dollar price tag the least they could do is give ME2 along with the comic and DLC. To be fair ME1 would need to go to the PS3 but since its not the fairest thing they can do is give them the comic along with the DLC.

WOW this is a new one for me, I didn't realise the software industry had developed this policy.  As a PC gamer I am well versed in the practices of releasing games a year later and this is the first time I have ever heard of this "oh it is a year old game so we have to flog it cheaply".  I certainly remember when I bought GTA 4 a year later on the PC it cost the same price as the console (minus the console royalty fee).  I know for a fact when Fable 3 gets finally released on the PC a year later than the 360 version it will have a console price tag and with no extra dlc included free of charge.

In other words Bioware are doing this because they want to offer value to PS3 users and give PS3 users a fantastic deal.  I do not have a problem with this in the slightest.  I don't have a problem with the price of ME 2 on the PS3, I don't have a problem with the DLC being given away for free and I don't have a problem with the introductory module.  I do have a problem with them holding the introductory module OFF the PC/360 when there is absolutely no need for them to do that.

Ryzaki wrote...
I have no problem with them having access. But this ridculous "I should have the comic!" demands are retarded. You don't deserve the comic. You don't need the comic. You would [b]like the comic. So stop complaining about BW not being fair and just wait to see if the comic ever comes out for Xbox/PC.

Hm a discussion board where people discuss issues regarding Bioware and their products yet you think we should shut up about them.  You know Bioware could bring this discussion to an end in a second by telling us exactly what "intially released as a PS3 exclusive" actually means.  After all they rushed to clarify that the PS3 wasn't getting a 6 hour exclusive mission.

[Ryzaki]

charmingcharlie wrote...

The fact you won't accept there is a disparity between the PS3 version of Mass Effect 2 and the PC/360 version shows how close minded you are.  Let me remind you again what the word "disparity" means :-

dictionary .....
lack of similarity or equality

Now PS3 Mass Effect 2 allows you to alter decisions that will affect the game, the PC/360 version of Mass Effect 2 does not allow you to do that.  Hm that sounds like a lack of similarity or equality there.  It is irrelevant whether PC/360 users can go out and BUY and additional game.  It is relevant that in one version you can do something that you can not do in another version hence there is a disparity.

You're right its not equal. THE PS3 USERS GET THE WORSE DEAL!

Now I freely admit there is a disparity in the Mass Effect series between PS3 and PC/360 users which is unfortunate and unfair on PS3 users.  However you don't fix things by creating yet more disparity which is what the PS3 version of Mass Effect 2 is doing.

It's a comic that serves as a poor replacement of ME1. The game is supposed to be a trilogy and based off your decisions. There is no disparity other than what you're trying to claim the PC/Xbox users being wronged despite the fact that they already have the comic in a better form.

Like I said the TV show analogy you're complaining about a summarization when you already have the whole first season that they don't get.


THE WHOLE ARGUMENT IS REALLY PETTY

If you are going to turn around and tell people to buy Mass Effect 1 if they are that bothered about not being able to alter decisions in Mass Effect 2 then I think it is equally fair to say the same thing to PS3 users then.  If missing out on Mass Effect 1 is such a massive burden then there are plenty of choices open to them to play the Mass Effect series

What? If you buy the sequel to  a game that's selling point is the ability to import decisions from the previous game and you decide not to buy the previous game than *gasps* you shouldn't be able to import the decisions! Why? Because you chose not too! The PS3 users never had that choice in the first place!

WOW this is a new one for me, I didn't realise the software industry had developed this policy.  As a PC gamer I am well versed in the practices of releasing games a year later and this is the first time I have ever heard of this "oh it is a year old game so we have to flog it cheaply".  I certainly remember when I bought GTA 4 a year later on the PC it cost the same price as the console (minus the console royalty fee).  I know for a fact when Fable 3 gets finally released on the PC a year later than the 360 version it will have a console price tag and with no extra dlc included free of charge.

You're kidding right? Sony actually has a policy if a game is being relased late that already was on another console it has to have something extra before they consider it . It's a good policy too. If you decided to buy GTA4 (which was a ****** poor console port) that's your perogative. But I'm willing to bet you a great deal sales took a hit because of it.

I doubt Fable 3 will ever get released on PC. >_> And if it does we'll at least have the benefit of fixing that buggy mess.

In other words Bioware are doing this because they want to offer value to PS3 users and give PS3 users a fantastic deal.  I do not have a problem with this in the slightest.  I don't have a problem with the price of ME 2 on the PS3, I don't have a problem with the DLC being given away for free and I don't have a problem with the introductory module.  I do have a problem with them holding the introductory module OFF the PC/360 when there is absolutely no need for them to do that.

Uh. No they're doing it because there's a good chance SONY wouldn't accept it if they didn't. As well as the fact that one of the selling points of ME2 was how your decisons in ME1 shaped the game. If they wanted to make the game make sense to ME2 people much of the plot in ME1 would be trivilaized or summarized in ME3 regardless.

Hm a discussion board where people discuss issues regarding Bioware and their products yet you think we should shut up about them.  You know Bioware could bring this discussion to an end in a second by telling us exactly what "intially released as a PS3 exclusive" actually means.  After all they rushed to clarify that the PS3 wasn't getting a 6 hour exclusive mission.

I didn't say that. But this sense of entitlement is childish. I'm not saying you shouldn't ask for it but screaming it's not fair and is a disparity is not true.

Initally released means initally released I.E. when it's first released it'll be exclusive. Not hard to figure out. You'll get it at a later date.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 novembre 2010 - 08:55 .

[Lord Gremlin]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Lard wrote...

YOU HAVE THE BLOODY GAME. YOU DO NOT NEED THE COMIC.

Never in my life have I seen someone argue that they should receive an inferior product of something they already have.

But that is it the PC/360 crowd DO receive an inferior version of MASS EFFECT 2.  The PS3 version of Mass Effect 2 is better than the PC/360 version of Mass Effect 2.  If a PC/360 owner goes out and buys Mass Effect 2 but they do not own Mass Effect 1 then they are stuck with the vanilla crappy default decisions.

The PS3 owner gets an all in one package where they can alter decisions and play the Mass Effect 2 a PC/360 owner that just gets Mass Effect 2 cannot do that unless they spend even more money and buy Mass Effect 1.  So in reality PS3 users are getting a SUPERIOR Mass Effect 2 but a slightly weaker Mass Effect series experience.

Now for those saying "oh well PC/360 are getting it later" I wouldn't count my chickens till they are hatched.  I would say Jesse Houstons statement was incredibly vagued and does not specifically say that it will come to the PC/360.  If you want an "alternative" explanation to Jesse's statement then how about the fact it could mean the Mass Effect 1 interactive experience will be developed into a PRINTED comic.  So it is initially exclusive to the PS3 but will eventually be released as a NON-INTERACTIVE printed comic.

So? I think that's the point. PS3 version comes out a year later,  it's much more expensive than others and there is no ME1 on PS3. IMO one must make PS3 version superior. How else will you sell it? Why else people who own PC and PS3 (which is common, especially in Europe) would buy PS3 version when PC version is cheaper?
If PS3 version is not superior when it comes out, or, to be more precise, it doesn't look superior to a customer who walks into a store, then sales will be poor.
I've once had a long discussion and a poll on a popular Russian site gotps3.ru about PS3 version of ME2. And almost everybody agreed that there is no reason to buy this game on PS3, because everybody already bought a retail copy for PC, or pirated it for PC. That said, nothing's been said about any exclusive content when the discussion took place. And truth be told a comic is not something that makes people buy the game. Exclusive gameplay is what does. Like Joker missions in Batman AA.
Of course, there is always trophy boosting, but what EA wants is sales when game for PS3 comes out, when it's $60-80, not when it's $20 on sale.
Seriously, as it stands now... Look, I will buy PS3 version. But most of my friends.. Right now it's doesn't look like a game that will sell well at a price of $60-80. It's a singleplayer game, and same version is available for PC much cheaper. Sure, people will buy PS3 ME2 when it's $20-30, but to sell it at full price Bioware will need to offer something, well, exceptional. That said, maybe they're ok with PS3 version yielding no profit and are counting on big sales for ME3.

[charmingcharlie]

Since you are going to drag this argument on I won't multi quote since it takes up too much space.  The fact you will not accept there is a disparity between the PS3 and PC/360 version of Mass Effect 2 shows how blinkered you are.  Yes there is a disparty between the PS3 Mass Effect experience but there is also a disparity in the Mass Effect 2 experience against 360/PC owners and I think that is wrong, you obviously think it is fine and that is your perrogative.

The technology obviously exists to give ALL Mass Effect 2 players the ability to change the decisions in Mass Effect 2 and it is childish to restrict that to just PS3 users.  It is irrelevant why PC/360 users may not have bothered with Mass Effect 1 it is relevant that they have the content there to fix that for everyone and making it "exclusive" to the PS3 is every bit as wrong as making Mass Effect 1 exclusive to the 360/PS3.

Now you may be right this may be Sony's doing, if that is the case then fair enough it reflects incredibly badly on Bioware that they are willing to sell out existing customers just to bring new ones in.

Finally you accuse us of screaming and demanding, no one is screaming in here except you calling those trying to discuss this as "petty".  Do I have a right to this comic on the PC ? probably not but I do know that what happens with this comic will have an effect on how I deal with future Bioware products.  If I buy a game I want to be assured I will have access to ALL content relevant to that game and if a company is not going to do that then I fail to see the point in purchasing that game.

Oh and your last point about it not being hard to figure out what "initially PS3 exclusive" means I would say it is a pretty vague statement and I have already given an example of what it could mean and that doesn't equate to it being released on the PC/360.  There is absolutely no guarantee PC/360 users will get this comic and the post by Jesse doesn't clear that up.

[Ryzaki]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Since you are going to drag this argument on I won't multi quote since it takes up too much space.  The fact you will not accept there is a disparity between the PS3 and PC/360 version of Mass Effect 2 shows how blinkered you are.  Yes there is a disparty between the PS3 Mass Effect experience but there is also a disparity in the Mass Effect 2 experience against 360/PC owners and I think that is wrong, you obviously think it is fine and that is your perrogative.

The technology obviously exists to give ALL Mass Effect 2 players the ability to change the decisions in Mass Effect 2 and it is childish to restrict that to just PS3 users.  It is irrelevant why PC/360 users may not have bothered with Mass Effect 1 it is relevant that they have the content there to fix that for everyone and making it "exclusive" to the PS3 is every bit as wrong as making Mass Effect 1 exclusive to the 360/PS3.

Now you may be right this may be Sony's doing, if that is the case then fair enough it reflects incredibly badly on Bioware that they are willing to sell out existing customers just to bring new ones in.

Finally you accuse us of screaming and demanding, no one is screaming in here except you calling those trying to discuss this as "petty".  Do I have a right to this comic on the PC ? probably not but I do know that what happens with this comic will have an effect on how I deal with future Bioware products.  If I buy a game I want to be assured I will have access to ALL content relevant to that game and if a company is not going to do that then I fail to see the point in purchasing that game.

Oh and your last point about it not being hard to figure out what "initially PS3 exclusive" means I would say it is a pretty vague statement and I have already given an example of what it could mean and that doesn't equate to it being released on the PC/360.  There is absolutely no guarantee PC/360 users will get this comic and the post by Jesse doesn't clear that up.

You're not accepting the disparity is to the PS3 players disadvantage.

So yes its a waste of time talking to you.

A interactive comic =/= a full game.

An interactive comic < a full game.

A interactive comic is all the "exclusive" stuff the PS3 is getting. Meanwhile the Xbox and PC have a whole game along with the DLC for it.

It's like a fat kid with a giant chocolate cake complaining about someone else getting a small piece of a bitter chocolate cake but he wants it. Ra forbid they have something he doesn't.

It is petty because you're complaining that you might actually have to play through ME1 to change your decisions so if you don't get the comic neither should the PS3 players who never had that choice. Not having that choice does nothing to you but it severely hurts the PS3 experience. That's the very definition of petty.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 novembre 2010 - 09:26 .

[charmingcharlie]

Lord Gremlin ......
So? I think that's the point. PS3 version comes out a year later,  it's much more expensive than others and there is no ME1 on PS3. IMO one must make PS3 version superior. How else will you sell it? Why else people who own PC and PS3 (which is common, especially in Europe) would buy PS3 version when PC version is cheaper?

This has already been covered, if you buy the xbox version whilst it is cheap you have to add the cost of the DLC onto that price which makes the xbox version the same price as the PS3 version.  In fact if you factor in the cost of ME 1 you find the 360 version is actually more expensive.

The PC version is a tad bit cheaper but that is down to the fact there is no console royalty fees to pay.  In short all versions are around the same price even though the PS3 version is being launched a year later.

Ryzaki wrote...

You're not accepting the disparity is to the PS3 players disadvantage.

So yes its a waste of time talking to you.

Yes I am you just refuse to see it, in a few posts above I said and I quote :-

charmingcharlie ..............

Now I freely admit there is a disparity in the Mass Effect series between PS3 and PC/360 users which is unfortunate and unfair on PS3 users.  However you don't fix things by creating yet more disparity which is what the PS3 version of Mass Effect 2 is doing.

There I freely accept there is a disparity between the Mass Effect experience on the PS3.  You refuse to accept that there is a disparity between the different versions of Mass Effect 2 against the 360.  So I guess it is a waste of time talking to you then.

As for your cake example, that is actually wrong, it is more right to say "hey PS3 user here is a free cupcake, oh PC/360 users you can go and buy a cake if you want it but we aren't going to sell you the cake though so tough luck".  Oh and I never argued PS3 users should not get the comic, I am arguing it should not be exclusive to the PS3.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 13 novembre 2010 - 09:29 .

[Ryzaki]

Yes I am you just refuse to see it, in a few posts above I said and I quote :-

charmingcharlie ..............

Now I freely admit there is a disparity in the Mass Effect series
between PS3 and PC/360 users which is unfortunate and unfair on PS3
users.  However you don't fix things by creating yet more disparity
which is what the PS3 version of Mass Effect 2 is doing.

There I freely accept there is a disparity between the Mass Effect experience on the PS3.  You refuse to accept that there is a disparity between the different versions of Mass Effect 2 against the 360.  So I guess it is a waste of time talking to you then.

What disparity in just ME? You need both games! They're a bloody trilogy! Not having ME1 IS a disparity when it comes to ME2 how do you not realize this? Do you not see the differences between an imported game and a default? 

As for your cake example, that is actually wrong, it is more right to say "hey PS3 user here is a free cupcake, oh PC/360 users you can go and buy a cake if you want it but we aren't going to sell you the cake though so tough luck".

Actually that's wrong. It's more accurate to say one kid had an awesome toy one year. Another gets the toy one year later when its no longer as poular so to sweeten the deal they give him a bunch of accessories that the boy had the option of buying before hand. The only thing he gets extra is a little booklet while another kid gets a whole nother toy tha goes along with the first one.

And now while the kid looks at this and wonders if he should buy it (after all there's a neat little booklet) the kid who got it a year ago demands he get the booklet too.

So the kid sits there wondering why he's paying full price for this when the kid already has everything and would probably get the booklet too and the original toy is pretty old to begin with.

Oh and I never argued PS3 users should not get the comic, I am arguing it should not be exclusive to the PS3.

You have ME1 which is the comic in game format.

You don't need the comic. It's a waste of resources to create one for the PC/Xbox when they can be creating more great DLC.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 novembre 2010 - 09:41 .

[charmingcharlie]

Ryzaki wrote...

What disparity in just ME? You need both games! They're a bloody trilogy! Not having ME1 IS a disparity when it comes to ME2 how do you not realize this? Do you not see the differences between an imported game and a default?

See you are refusing to accept there is a disparity in the two versions of Mass Effect 2.  Let me see if I can explain it yet again :-

Mass Effect 2 PS3 version = can change decisions that affect the game.
Mass Effect 2 PC/360 version = you cannot change decisions that affect the game

There a clear disparity in the different versions of Mass Effect 2 in favour of the PS3 that you totally refuse to accept.

Now there is obviously a disparity in the Mass Effect experience in favour of the PC/360 :-

Mass Effect experience on the PC/360 = Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2
Mass Effect experience on the PS3 = Comic + Mass Effect 2

As for silly analogies how about this one, say a kid gets given an action man but he is told that he must buy all his accessories himself.  The kid buys the accessories and then a year later his brother gets a new shinier action man, all the accessories and a really cool comic to go with it.  The first kid thinks "cool I like that can I buy it" and he is greated with "no because it isn't for you, it's for your brother only".

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 13 novembre 2010 - 09:52 .

[Elite Midget]

Some of you are funny. No exclusives? Than why would anyone buy a PS3 over a 360 or vice versa? Or better yet, a Mac over a PC if they're a Gamer?

Exclusives are a huge selling point and attract as well as keep Costumers. That's why systems have exclusives.

Do you think the Playstation Brand would be as huge as it was if they didn't have FF7 as an exclusive that pushed it up the ladder into Nintendo's playground?

As for the Comic. Stop crying. PS3 owners don't get the option to play ME1 on the PS3. If we got the Comic than the Mass Effect Series would be surperior on the PC/360 because we can CHOOSE to play ME1 or use the Comic. How is that fair to PS3 owners? It isn't. So that makes you all sound like whiny Hypocrites.

So stop boohooing for a Comic that wont even come close to captureing the Mass Effect Universe like ME1.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 13 novembre 2010 - 09:54 .