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End of the day as long as they realise that all fans should be on "equal" footing, ie Xbox 360, PC and now PS3 fans, then thats Ok as the recently released statement confirmed, anyway not long to go till the PS3 release so we will all soon find out..!!

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so jesse...could you give use mass effect fans a free PS3 for the sake of the PS3 exclusive content?



maybe it's because mass effect 1 is exclusive the xbox 360, and the content for ps3 makes up for it.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

Thanks for the edit, Jesse! Figured it'd work out, since BW is famous for listening to the fan community, but sometimes the rumor mill gets me worried...


My pleasure!  One of the coolest parts of BioWare is that we are allowed to interact with our fans at all!  At previous companies I've worked for, it's strictly forbidden.  The rules of engagement as far as public communication are VERY VERY strict, it's so cool to see that we are given freedom to speak and listen to those we ultimately serve!


-Jess

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xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

I once saw an Ally Bank commercial where it said "Even kids know its wrong to treat new friends better than old friends. Why don't banks?" 

(Now ready it again replacing "don't banks" with "doesn't BioWare")


Because banks already have your money :P

Seriously though, I think it's fair if PS3 users get promo and/or pre-order stuff from PC/Xbox cheaper/free and rearranged into different bundles. After all, they'll be getting ME2 much later, and won't be getting ME1 at all. It's sad I won't get to see the interactive comic thing, but unless it's leaps and bounds better than the printed comics I've seen so far, I'm not too upset about missing out on them to be honest.

The mention of PS3-exclusive stuff was a bit disconcerting, but after the edit it sounds more reasonable.

Jesse Houston wrote...
There seems to be a great deal of concern about BioWare ignoring our fans or trying to create a divide in our fans.  Why would we do that?  The entire purpose of building the PS3 version has not been to alienate our existing fans but instead to give new opportunity to those who have not yet been able to enjoy the games that we pour our hearts and souls into creating!


I, for one, do not doubt that people working at Bioware are awesome and not evil (apart from, well, certain evil ones). But you are a division of Electronic Arts now. I don't trust EA's judgement nearly as much as I trust yours, and there's always a concern about how much power you have vs their mandate.

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Jesse Houston wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Jesse Houston wrote...

See my edit regarding the unannounced 'Exclusive DLC'. I can't give details, but I can tell you that we're definitely working as hard as we can to create parity not disparity between the three versions.

What do you mean?


I edited the original post to provide more clarity and hopefully calm down some fears of the Big Evil BioWare.  
Beyond that, because there are certain things, I'm allowed and not allowed to talk about publicly, I can only release either very vague details or very specific ones on certain areas.  

There seems to be a great deal of concern about BioWare ignoring our fans or trying to create a divide in our fans.  Why would we do that?  The entire purpose of building the PS3 version has not been to alienate our existing fans but instead to give new opportunity to those who have not yet been able to enjoy the games that we pour our hearts and souls into creating!  In fact, one of my mandates since starting this project has been to ensure that nothing we do creates a divide between the three groups of fans.   So trust me when I tell you that nothing I do intentionally on ME2 PS3 will deny a PC or Xbox360 fan from an experience they would have like to have had.

-Jess

Edit: For those that don'y know as a publicly traded company we have very strict rules on how we communicate publicly. That is why we're sometimes shackled on what we can and can't say at a certain time or place.  It's not 'cause I don't want to tell you every little detail about one of the best projects I've ever worked on!



If truly only the ME1-PS3 part is exclusive

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While you're here Jesse, any word on if we're going to get Ash/Kaidan DLC? ;)

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I'm fairly confident from my reading of Jesse's post and his edit that there isn't going to be some ME2 content that is only available on PS3 (the ME1 comic/choice thing might remain exclusive, at least for a while). Like others I'm reading the DrP content. Besides, the best business decision all around is to sell all of the content you can to everybody who plays. It reduces nerdrage and improves overall revenue which you definitely need to do when spending millions to tens of millions on game development.



That being said, this whole PS3 exclusive content thing really illustrates the danger of the English language, especially when most of Bioware speaks Canadian (there's a difference), I'm speaking American (an even bigger difference), and the pesky interview that started it all was Canadian->German->unknown English version.

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Jesse Houston wrote...

My pleasure!  One of the coolest parts of BioWare is that we are allowed to interact with our fans at all!  At previous companies I've worked for, it's strictly forbidden.  The rules of engagement as far as public communication are VERY VERY strict, it's so cool to see that we are given freedom to speak and listen to those we ultimately serve!

-Jess


Regardless as to whether or not you're allowed to come on the forums, it's nice of you to even tell the fans upfront about the translation issue instead of keeping us speculating for months.  Thank you for telling us.

But you know that the fans are pretty hungry for DLC by now, right?  ;)

Modifié par Brodyaha, 06 novembre 2010 - 10:43 .


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Good decision.  PS3 gamers will be satisfied:happy:

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charmingcharlie wrote...

Jesse Houston wrote...

There seems to be a great deal of concern about BioWare ignoring our fans or trying to create a divide in our fans.  Why would we do that?  The entire purpose of building the PS3 version has not been to alienate our existing fans but instead to give new opportunity to those who have not yet been able to enjoy the games that we pour our hearts and souls into creating!  In fact, one of my mandates since starting this project has been to ensure that nothing we do creates a divide between the three groups of fans.   So trust me when I tell you that nothing I do intentionally on ME2 PS3 will deny a PC or Xbox360 fan from an experience they would have like to have had.

-Jess


To be honest it is a situation the whole software industry has created, in the old days if you bought a game on the PC, Xbox or PS2 you got the same game.  Now with Sony and MS fighting like kindergaten kids and the consumer finding if they buy a game on one system it has special content on another system it is natural for them to be suspicious especially with ambigious statements like "6 hour mission".

Even now with that carefully worded statement you had to put "exclusive" in there which in this day and age is a pretty loaded term.  I am still not 100% sure what this means for me as a PC gamer and how it will affect my Mass Effect experience.  However it is appreciated that you tried to clear things up and on a Saturday too.


Couldn't agree more

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Thanks for the clarification. :)

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I'd like to see what this Exclusive word means as it is vague, and frankly I don't like that word to being with. Also I've noticed one comment about PS3 exclusive content being a tradition, well forget tradition. There should be no exclusive DLC content between the 360 and PC, which are the core and loyal fans, and the PS3. I don't mind that comic, maybe future PC and 360 DLC, but there should be no DLC that is only released on one console while leaving the others out in the cold. The word exclusive isn't a good term to use when talking about any content. Gamers should be able to get the same experience no matter what console they are playing on. Whether it be 360, PC, or PS3. Granted the comic exception in this case given that PS3 fans don't have access to ME so it is appropriate, but there should be no other DLC or content that is exclusive. That won't make anyone happy and it will probably make 360 and PC owners reconsider buying ME3 for risk of exclusive content.
 
So bottom line, no exclusive DLC, no matter how small.

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im really more concerned with what dlc is everyone getting next... simple fact of the matter is, anything they release for ps3 thats worth anything extra will likely be sold elsewhere as dlc for profit. why? Because porting a dlc isnt that tough for some smart guys over at bw. And, cause its profitable. Which reminds me, why are the dr pepper stuff for saleon bw points.

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AntiChri5 wrote...

I fully support Mass Effect 2 getting a PS 3 release.
I understand that they need a little intro to make up for ME 1's absence.

I very much do not support them getting items in ME 2 which i do not.

This.
I'm not too happy about paying for all the DLC and Mr Johnny come lately comes along and gets it all for bloody free.  It looks more and more that Biowares Public relations people are not quite upto the job here.
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There will also be some DLC Bundles, such as the Aegis Pack as well as exclusive both Free and Paid DLC for all PlayStation 3 owners such as the Recon Operations Pack.   
Edit: While I can't go into details all of this content is or was available to Xbox/PC Owners but otherwise wouldn't be available to PS3 owners
More details about this will be released later. ;) 


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Im confused by that, The Edit part. Was(Is?) this content intended for 360/pc as well. Or was moved over to ps3 exclusivity? 
 

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[quote]Jesse Houston wrote...

There seems to be a great deal of concern about BioWare ignoring our fans or trying to create a divide in our fans.
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The reason is silence. It is not about the official announcements, it is about to feel, that there are ppl on the other siede. It helps a lot.
Your statement here is enough for me to feel good again. Mybe is funny but true.
I'm big fan. I'm waiting for more. For me ME is  abest game ever. I care.
Long silence is someting that killing the spirit. SIlence is the cradle of rumors and speculations.
So I want to thank you again for your words.

 The biggest problem here, in my opinin, is lack of info on the forum. Here are your fans, but get a scrap of info  is a mission almost immposible. Why do not make a topic with every info Bioware give to the world? Why we need to search entire net to get some piece?
  It is a plea from me.



[quote]Jesse Houston wrote...

 Why would we do that?  The entire purpose of building the PS3 version has not been to alienate our existing fans but instead to give new opportunity to those who have not yet been able to enjoy the games that we pour our hearts and souls into creating!  In fact, one of my mandates since starting this project has been to ensure that nothing we do creates a divide between the three groups of fans.   So trust me when I tell you that nothing I do intentionally on ME2 PS3 will deny a PC or Xbox360 fan from an experience they would have like to have had.

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Thank you for that. I have PC version, but I will buy the PS3 as well. I will make preorder as soon as you make an official announcment. I personally hope, that you use the power PS3 has:) And to have all content in one piece is just graet. When you do it for PC, I will buy another copy too;).

[quote]Jesse Houston wrote...

Edit: For those that don'y know as a publicly traded company we have very strict rules on how we communicate publicly. That is why we're sometimes shackled on what we can and can't say at a certain time or place.  It's not 'cause I don't want to tell you every little detail about one of the best projects I've ever worked on!
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I know. I don't like it as a fan, but I know. Stiil think the silence it is not the best policy:(.

Again, thank you and the team for your work. Keep going... and talk with us. Not annouce, not give details ( even if I deadly want to know)  but talk;).  It is really good to know that someone on the other side listen:happy:. And now is the first time I have that impression - thanks to you.

Regards.

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Im confused by that, The Edit part. Was(Is?) this content intended for 360/pc as well. Or was moved over to ps3 exclusivity? 
 


It could mean some things are exclusive to just the 360/pc versions, or that the exclusive is timed.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 06 novembre 2010 - 11:22 .


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When Christmas comes a little closer, you guys should sell an Ultimate Addition of Mass Effect 2 that includes these things...

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After that clarification, My ONLY concern about the PS3 version is the interactive comic. Granted it's going to cover the big plot points but what about the smaller points?

If the comic is all-inclusive and the PS3 users don't miss out on a single choice, that defeats the purpose of ME1 to an extent. If it glosses over choices like the personal missions, Parasini, Conrad Verner, or even the ME1 exclusive romances then they'd lose relevance to the multiplatform ME3 and lose priority over things all three systems get thus hurting loyal PC and 360 looking for conclusions to their decisions.

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I'm mainly interested to see how the game is handled on PS3. If the game ends up looking signficantly better, or recruitment is no longer a railroad affair, or the interactive comic covers enough of ME1 to make replaying the game a waste of time, then I'll have to question whether or not I'll bother with 360 anymore.



I don't care if they get different weapons/helmets.

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Given that the PS3 version will likely run for the regular price of a new game, when ME2 is much cheaper by now on 360 and PC, it's hard to complain about that version getting the DLC with the game.

Still unsure why some are pissed about more people getting to play the game, thereby adding more revenue and increasing the fanbase size, which will probably provide more incentive and feedback for ME3's quality. Competition bias, I suppose.

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Water Dumple wrote...
Still unsure why some are pissed about more people getting to play the game, thereby adding more revenue and increasing the fanbase size, which will probably provide more incentive and feedback for ME3's quality. Competition bias, I suppose.


Did you ever have a toy that you really, really liked and would never share as a kid? And then when someone else got the same toy you got jealous because now they were playing with it?

Same principle applies to people ****ing and moaning on the internet.

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Jesse Houston wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Thanks for the edit, Jesse! Figured it'd work out, since BW is famous for listening to the fan community, but sometimes the rumor mill gets me worried...


My pleasure!  One of the coolest parts of BioWare is that we are allowed to interact with our fans at all!  At previous companies I've worked for, it's strictly forbidden.  The rules of engagement as far as public communication are VERY VERY strict, it's so cool to see that we are given freedom to speak and listen to those we ultimately serve!


-Jess


Well I for one am glad that they let you chat to us crazy forumites, wouldn't be the same otherwise! And thanks for the feedback over a weekend. :)

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Water Dumple wrote...

Still unsure why some are pissed about more people getting to play the game, thereby adding more revenue and increasing the fanbase size, which will probably provide more incentive and feedback for ME3's quality. Competition bias, I suppose.


I don't think people are annoyed at more people getting to play the game.  I have been a life long PC gamer (20 odd years gaming on the PC) and I can certainly say it does not annoy me that PS3 users are getting the game.  If anything it is about time, I don't go with this "exclusive" rubbish that console manufacturers are resorting too and pressuring games companies into doing.

Equally I do not have a problem with PS3 owners getting all the DLC to date for free with the game, nor do I have a problem with them getting an exclusive Interactive ME 1 comic to help set them up for ME 2.  If truth be known I am actually quite curious about this interactive comic and if it is done well it will be an excellent feature for PS3 users and it is fair that they have that "special" feature.

What I am not happy about is the PS3 getting extra content that excludes PC/360 users.  That isn't the right way to do things and there really is no need to produce content solely for PS3 users at the expense of PC/360 users.  Now thankfully it looks like Bioware isn't going to do that and the "exclusive" content is going to be something like the pre-order packs (which I don't really have a problem with)..

In short all Mass Effect 2 customers should be treated to the same content be it on the PC, PS3 or 360.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 06 novembre 2010 - 11:53 .


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Hey guys at bioware!!! :)

thank so much for sharing us this information.

Also I have two simple requests.

- Please have R1 as the primiary fire button. L1 to fine aim / look through scope with sniper rifle.

- Please make sure the frame-rate is stable and have a lock on it.  It should be locked at 30 fps min.

Thank you so much again. :)