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[Ryzaki]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

What disparity in just ME? You need both games! They're a bloody trilogy! Not having ME1 IS a disparity when it comes to ME2 how do you not realize this? Do you not see the differences between an imported game and a default?

See you are refusing to accept there is a disparity in the two versions of Mass Effect 2.  Let me see if I can explain it yet again :-

Mass Effect 2 PS3 version = can change decisions that affect the game.
Mass Effect 2 PC/360 version = you cannot change decisions that affect the game

There a clear disparity in the different versions of Mass Effect 2 in favour of the PS3 that you totally refuse to accept.

Now there is obviously a disparity in the Mass Effect experience in favour of the PC/360 :-

Mass Effect experience on the PC/360 = Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2
Mass Effect experience on the PS3 = Comic + Mass Effect 2

As for silly analogies how about this one, say a kid gets given an action man but he is told that he must buy all his accessories himself.  The kid buys the accessories and then a year later his brother gets a new shinier action man, all the accessories and a really cool comic to go with it.  The first kid thinks "cool I like that can I buy it" and he is greated with "no because it isn't for you, it's for your brother only".

I did admit there was a disparity.

You refuse to admit that the disparity wrongly affects the PS3.

Mass effect 2 is a sequel that imports your decisions from the previous game.

Now let's say it again. imports your decisions from the previous game.

That was the main advertising point of the whole trilogy.

...Oh wait...The PS3 players don't get the first game!

Thus Mass Effect 2 - Mass Effect 1 = gimped!

So they get they get ME2 + a comic! A full game...and a comic? 
While you get ME1 + ME2 two full games! 

You have nothing to complain about.

And no the PS3 players don't get a whole bunch of new stuff. They get the old junk that you could've bought (later too!) have to pay full price for the whole thing. And instead of the first game get a measly comic book that can't possible give you the same immersiveness of the first game.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 novembre 2010 - 09:59 .

[Elite Midget]

Let me make ir simple.



PC/360 = ME1+ME2

PS3 = Comic+ME2



If we get the comic too we get...



PC/360 = ME1/Comic+ME2

PS3: Comic+ME2



How the heck is that fair?

[charmingcharlie]

Elite Midget wrote...

Exclusives are a huge selling point and attract as well as keep Costumers. That's why systems have exclusives.

That is odd I didn't realise Bioware/EA had a console out ?  Yes exclusives do sell consoles and I am sure that is why Sony and MS devote so many resources into making and obtaining exclusives.  However Bioware is not a console manufacturer, they are a third party developer.

Now last time I checked Bioware need to sell games to make money, that means bringing their content to as wide an audience as possible.  It is pretty obvious that they regret the deal they made with Microsoft  they want to bring Mass Effect to as big an audience as possible and I welcome that.  However to do that by adding content and then cutting your existing customers off from that content isn't going to win them any favours.

Ryzaki wrote...
I did admit there was a disparity.

You refuse to admit that the disparity wrongly affects the PS3.

I am not going to repeat myself, I already stated that "yes there is a disparity against the PS3 in the Mass Effect EXPERIENCE".  You totally refuse to accept that there is a disparty against PC/360 users with Mass Effect 2.  So there is little point in carrying this on since we are just going round and round in circles.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 13 novembre 2010 - 10:05 .

[Skilled Seeker]

There is absolutely no valid reason why someone would be against Bioware releasing the comic on PC/360. It does not affect the PS3 experience in any way and enhances the 360/PC experience to bring it on par with the PS3 experience for what is a STAND ALONE game.



Fanboyism is the only reason why someone would actively fight against the comic coming to 360/PC. Because should the comic come to PC/360 it can only be considered a good thing and doesn't affect anyone in a negative way.



/thread.

[Skilled Seeker]

Elite Midget wrote...

Let me make ir simple.

PC/360 = ME1+ME2
PS3 = Comic+ME2

If we get the comic too we get...

PC/360 = ME1/Comic+ME2
PS3: Comic+ME2

How the heck is that fair?

It isn't fair. But two wrongs don't make a right. Just because PS3 users miss out on something doesn't mean you should punish 360/PC users to sadistically even things out.

[Ryzaki]

charmingcharlie wrote...

I am not going to repeat myself, I already stated that "yes there is a disparity against the PS3 in the Mass Effect EXPERIENCE".  You totally refuse to accept that there is a disparty against PC/360 users with Mass Effect 2.  So there is little point in carrying this on since we are just going round and round in circles.

Do you not realize the ME1 disparity affects ME2? Seriously?

There is no disparity! You can get the same exact results and a better gaming experience by playing ME1 and importing a game!

Elite Midget wrote...

No, I simply pointed out that it's
Hypocritical to get all riled up over the Comic when getting it released
on the other platforms will make it even more unfair to the PS3
Crowd.

I have to agree with this. There's barely any reason for them to get this game as there is. (Particulary at a $60 price tag) heck I have a PS3 and I'll wait for a price drop. There's no reason not to wait. There's nothing unique or special about the game now.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 novembre 2010 - 10:13 .

[Elite Midget]

No, I simply pointed out that it's Hypocritical to get all riled up over the Comic when getting it released on the other platforms will make it even more unfair to the PS3 Crowd.

[charmingcharlie]

Ryzaki wrote...

Do you not realize the ME1 disparity affects ME2? Seriously?

There is no disparity! You can get the same exact results and a better gaming experience by playing ME1 and importing a game!

That remains to be seen, we do not know how "extensive" the choices will be in the comic.  If we are just talking about 2 or 3 major decisions in the comic then sure that will impact on the ME 2 experience.  However I believe the number of choices in the comic will be comprehensive enough to have very little impact on Mass Effect 2.

Obviously I don't want to discuss what decisions could be in the comic for fear of spoiling people.  However there were a lot of decisions in ME 1 that resulted in nothing but a poxy email in ME 2.  I think it is safe to say they won't be in the comic and no one would miss them.

[Ryzaki]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Do you not realize the ME1 disparity affects ME2? Seriously?

There is no disparity! You can get the same exact results and a better gaming experience by playing ME1 and importing a game!

That remains to be seen, we do not know how "extensive" the choices will be in the comic.  If we are just talking about 2 or 3 major decisions in the comic then sure that will impact on the ME 2 experience.  However I believe the number of choices in the comic will be comprehensive enough to have very little impact on Mass Effect 2.

Obviously I don't want to discuss what decisions could be in the comic for fear of spoiling people.  However there were a lot of decisions in ME 1 that resulted in nothing but a poxy email in ME 2.  I think it is safe to say they won't be in the comic and no one would miss them.

If you honestly believe a comic is going to give you the same experience as Mass Effect I don't know what to say to you. I mean honestly.

The decisions you made, what your character said, how she/he reacted. That is not going to be anywhere comparable to the game in the comic. You're not going to lol about how much of a douchebag your Shep is for hours. You're not going to go "yeesssss." when you kick the mess out of that collasus. You're not going feel the frustration of trying to defeat the big bad. And heck I have a feeling you're not going to get the sheer hilarity of some of the dialogue options either. The PS3 players are missing out on a lot where's the only thing the PC/Xbox players are missing out is an ingame save editor.

They'll be lucky if the see the "It's a big. stupid. jellyfish!" line and even if they did it's Meer's VO that made it hysterical. I doubt they're going to be able to make as many choices as the ME players did. (Or that might just be a *loooong* comic.).

There is no comparison. It's like reading a book yourself and reading a sparknotes summary. It just isn't the same.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 novembre 2010 - 10:25 .

[Lord Gremlin]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Let me make ir simple.

PC/360 = ME1+ME2
PS3 = Comic+ME2

If we get the comic too we get...

PC/360 = ME1/Comic+ME2
PS3: Comic+ME2

How the heck is that fair?

It isn't fair. But two wrongs don't make a right. Just because PS3 users miss out on something doesn't mean you should punish 360/PC users to sadistically even things out.

Wrong. If you want to sell a sizable amount of PS3 copies at full price you actually NEED to make other versions look inferior. It's not like you release the games simultaneously, you need to justify selling a port of an old game when everybody is crazed about online trophies in Gran Turismo 5 and Killzone 3.
That said, if you don't really need good sales at full price (low budget, easy porting) you may not bother.

[Lord Gremlin]

Ryzaki wrote...

I have to agree with this. There's barely any reason for them to get this game as there is. (Particulary at a $60 price tag) heck I have a PS3 and I'll wait for a price drop. There's no reason not to wait. There's nothing unique or special about the game now.

When you put it this way... Maybe I should wait for a price drop too. May I ask developer one direct question then? When PS3 version of ME2 will be released, will it have ANY new content which is PS3 exclusive? I mean, any in-game content that will be only available on PS3?
You may not clarify what type of content, just if there is any or all content will/is available for PC/360?

[Skilled Seeker]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Let me make ir simple.

PC/360 = ME1+ME2
PS3 = Comic+ME2

If we get the comic too we get...

PC/360 = ME1/Comic+ME2
PS3: Comic+ME2

How the heck is that fair?

It isn't fair. But two wrongs don't make a right. Just because PS3 users miss out on something doesn't mean you should punish 360/PC users to sadistically even things out.

Wrong. If you want to sell a sizable amount of PS3 copies at full price you actually NEED to make other versions look inferior. It's not like you release the games simultaneously, you need to justify selling a port of an old game when everybody is crazed about online trophies in Gran Turismo 5 and Killzone 3.
That said, if you don't really need good sales at full price (low budget, easy porting) you may not bother.

The comic won't make a difference. People will buy the PS3 version if they have yet to play ME (don't own a 360 or gaming PC) as it comes with all the DLC and is on their prefered platform. If the comic releases on 360 and PC as well that wont make them less likely to buy the game for PS3.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 13 novembre 2010 - 10:37 .

[Skilled Seeker]

Elite Midget wrote...

No, I simply pointed out that it's Hypocritical to get all riled up over the Comic when getting it released on the other platforms will make it even more unfair to the PS3 Crowd.

No it wont be unfair to them. It doesnt affect them at all.

[Elite Midget]

Yes it does.



We would have the OPTION of using ME1 OR the Comic.



They can ONLY use the Comic. It will effect them because it gives us more choice on how we choose to play the ME series. They can't choose that. ME1 isn't a choice for a PS3 User that's why it wouldn't be fair to them.



The Comic is just an interactive Save Editor. It isn't a true replacement for ME1.

[Skilled Seeker]

Nope it doesn't affect them. It affects us.

[durasteel]

Elite Midget wrote...

No, I simply pointed out that it's Hypocritical to get all riled up over the Comic when getting it released on the other platforms will make it even more unfair to the PS3 Crowd.

What the hell does fairness have to do with anything?  Are you actually suggesting that because the PS got screwed out of ME1, that the XB and PC should be screwed out of the Comic... for the sake of parity?  That's just dumb.

There are two things that probably everyone can agree on about ME1 not being released on the PS.  1: That sucks for the PS owners.  2: There is nothing anyone can do about it at this point.  Now that that crap is out of the way, we really need to leave this stupid idea of "screw the PC and XB in the name of fairness" behind and move along.

I seriously doubt that anyone who is posting in this forum wants to have the comic as a replacement for Mass Effect.  It isn't, and cannot be, a replacement for the game in its entirety.  What the comic IS seems to be two things.  First, it is a different way to experience the story from the first game (much like a traditional comic, or a movie, or a novelization might be.)  Secondly, it is a way to generate a custom ME1 save file to import into ME2.

With regard to the first thing, this comic will have art by the same Dark Horse artists that did the Liara comic, which I personally enjoyed. It will also have some quality sound design and voice-over work, I expect.  If for no other reason than that, I want it and would be willing to pay for it.  I don't mind if BioWare gives it to the PS for free, I just want to have it available for the PC to buy because I want to experience it.

With regard to the second thing, the save file generator... look - I've played Mass Effect many times.  I know the story, the characters, the locations.  If I want to play ME1 (which I sometimes do) it is because I want to play that game.  I no longer get anything out of the game other than the game-play.  Sometimes, however, I would rather play ME2 (which I have also played several times) and maybe I want to play with an imported character that I don't have, either because there is a certain combination of choices I have never made, or because some or all of my saves have been devoured by a hard drive catastrophe.  Yes, I could go in and manually create a file in the Gibbed editor tool, but that is an inelegant (though much appreciated) solution.  The interactive comic offers a much better solution.

I don't know much about the PS3, but it seems likely to me that someone will come out with a tool to convert a PC save file to a PS3 format at some point.  That will not render the interactive comic moot or worthless for the PS players, any more than any of the ridiculous arguments against its release across all platforms that have been splattered across the last several pages of this thread reflect any worthlessness of the comic to XB or PC consumers.

Also, platform exclusives suck.

Modifié par durasteel, 13 novembre 2010 - 11:37 .

[Skilled Seeker]

Thank you thank you! Listen to durasteel, he speaks sense!

[Majin Paul]

My only problems with the idea of comic introducing the choices you make in ME1 is what decisions you lose the chance to make, I myself will be very disappointed if I don't get the choice of meeting Emily Wong, the reporter you can punch, the guy who wants and autograph and the gang leader who can appear in ME2 on Omega.

[Elite Midget]

So screw the PS crowd because you don't want to play through ME1 again?

[Ryzaki]

Elite Midget wrote...

So screw the PS crowd because you don't want to play through ME1 again?

Laziest at its finest pretty much. They seem to forget its not BW's job to provide a save game editor. We can't even skip scenes for gods sakes.

And NVM the fact that there's a SGE that does the exact same thing the comic will do.


Honestly if BW wants the PS3 version to actually sell well they'll need to give it a boost. More than just DLC that you can get already.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 novembre 2010 - 11:54 .

[Skilled Seeker]

I disagree. Any small boost giving the PS3 version comic exclusivity earns will be counter balanced by those on PC/360 that will not buy any further Bioware products as a result of this policy of abandoning the core fans to chase after new ones.

[Ryzaki]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

I disagree. Any small boost giving the PS3 version comic exclusivity earns will be counter balanced by those on PC/360 that will not buy any further Bioware products as a result of this policy of abandoning the core fans to chase after new ones.

Yeah right.

[charmingcharlie]

Ryzaki wrote...
Laziest at its finest pretty much. They seem to forget its not BW's job to provide a save game editor. We can't even skip scenes for gods sakes.

It isn't laziness, look I have played ME 1 dozens of times, I don't want to play the game any more.  However there are some decisions that I would like to change to see what the out come was of those decisions.  But nope you can't understand that you just call us lazy for wanting to change 1 or 2 decisions without playing 15 hours of a three year old game that barely anyone wants to play any more.

Ryzaki wrote...
And NVM the fact that there's a SGE that does the exact same thing the comic will do.

Bioware has stated that save games edited or created by the Gibbs save game editor may not work properly or at all with Mass Effect 3.  So I think we should disregard the save game editor from this discussion don't you.

Ryzaki wrote...
Honestly if BW wants the PS3 version to actually sell well they'll need to give it a boost. More than just DLC that you can get already.

Ah so in order for the PS3 version to be successful then they must include content that is not available for PC/360 users that seems to be what you are after in a nutshell.  I think the game will sell just fine, PS3 users are getting a hell of a deal with Mass Effect 2 on the PS3 and they get the added bonus of playing it on their PREFFERED platform.

[Ryzaki]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Laziest at its finest pretty much. They seem to forget its not BW's job to provide a save game editor. We can't even skip scenes for gods sakes.

It isn't laziness, look I have played ME 1 dozens of times, I don't want to play the game any more.  However there are some decisions that I would like to change to see what the out come was of those decisions.  But nope you can't understand that you just call us lazy for wanting to change 1 or 2 decisions without playing 15 hours of a three year old game that barely anyone wants to play any more.

There is a save game editor but you won't use it. How is that not lazy? 

Bioware has stated that save games edited or created by the Gibbs save game editor may not work properly or at all with Mass Effect 3.  So I think we should disregard the save game editor from this discussion don't you.

Right because all the game editing isn't just plot flags and didn't fire correctly in the game. The only way it wouldn't work is if you did something ridculous like give yourself Kaidan and Ashley despite the fact that one of them should be dead. AS long as whatever you edit isn't game breaking it'll work. (I mean Kaidan's s/s romance works properly for pete's sake and that's pretty lore breaking).

And again. If you're so scared replay ME1. If you don't want to you obviously don't care that much about the decision making.

Ah so in order for the PS3 version to be successful then they must include content that is not available for PC/360 users that seems to be what you are after in a nutshell.  I think the game will sell just fine, PS3 users are getting a hell of a deal with Mass Effect 2 on the PS3 and they get the added bonus of playing it on their PREFFERED platform.

You're joking right? It's a year old game without the original. That's not a deal its a joke.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 novembre 2010 - 12:11 .

[charmingcharlie]

[quote]Ryzaki wrote...
There is a save game editor but you won't use it. How is that not lazy? 

[/quote]

A save game editor that BIOWARE you know the guys that made the game have stated could cause conflicts with Mass Effect 3.  It is not being lazy "not using it" it is being prudent.

Bioware has stated that save games edited or created by the Gibbs save game editor may not work properly or at all with Mass Effect 3.  So I think we should disregard the save game editor from this discussion don't you.[/quote]

[quote][quote]Ryzaki wrote...Ryzaki wrote...Right because all the game editing isn't just plot flags and didn't fire correctly in the game.[/quote][/quote]
Again call me picky but I will take Bioware's advice over yours eh, they seem to know their game a hell of a lot better than you or the creator of that save game editor do.

[quote]Ryzaki wrote...
You're joking right? It's a year old game without the original. That's not a deal its a joke.
[/quote]
No I am not joking, to be honest I can't imagine why any one would willing hold out to play Mass Effect on the PS3 anyway unless they were rabidly anti-ms.  I mean lets face it ME will play pretty much the same on the PS3 as it does on the 360.  I could understand people holding out for a PC version because generally a PC version plays differently thanks to the different control scheme and greater power.

So all Bioware are left with is people that prefer gaming on the PS3 hence they never bought the PC/360 version.  Now if they are willing to wait 3 years to get into the Mass Effect universe I would have to say they can't be that bothered about it.

All exclusive DLC for the PS3 would do is alienate existing Mass Effect customers on the PC/360.  There is no way in hell I would consider buying a console and a copy of ME 2 just to play a bit of extra exclusive content but you can bet your life it would have an impact on what I do with the next Mass Effect on the PC.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 14 novembre 2010 - 12:21 .