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[Ryzaki]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I don't think it would be cost effective for them to package it like that especially since they are a third party publisher

What might work is just to have it as a downloadable title

Ah true. I was just dreaming anyways.

The whole ME trilogy on one disc.

Though that would be quite a download.

[charmingcharlie]

I tell you one thing that isn't helping Bioware and that is the complete and utter lack of ME 2 PS3 promotions. If they expect to shift any significant numbers they better up the hype a bit with regards to the PS3 version.

It is now less than two months before ME 2 on the PS3 is released and PS3 users haven't seen a single screen shot or video of their version. This is pretty shocking when you consider the stellar job they did promoting the PC/360 version. Hell after the "two steps from hell" trailer I was ready to sell my entire family into slavery to get ME 2.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 14 novembre 2010 - 04:11 .

[Lard]

Elite Midget wrote...
Let me play it out in a comical manner so you'll understand how much of a low blow your way would be.

PS3 Owner: I waited a year for this! Sure we don't get ME1 too but we have this Comic that'll introduce us to the Universe!
PC/360 Owner: Haha! I got the Comic AND ME1!
PS3: Bu-but... The Comic was supposed to compensate for the fact that we can't play ME1! Why would you want that?
PC/360
Owner: Why? Well, I'm lazy and I wanna make my 50th Shepard. Not to
mention that you have something I wanted so I whined untill Bioware gave
it to me! Having more choices than you guys is AWESOME!
PS3: But the Comic was our thing...
PC/360: Not anymore! Enjoy your Inferior ME experience while I enjoy having more CHOICES than you!

Best summary of the argument I have seen yet.

charmingcharlie wrote...

Lard wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

We will get to enjoy this really cool visual experience. Just at a later date than PS3 users.

No, you won't.

You have the comic, you're not getting something you don't need.

That is the point there are people on the PC/360 that DO NEED the comic.  At this current time if a PC/360 user buys Mass Effect 2 and they do not own Mass Effect 1 then they are stuck with the default decisions which are pretty crappy to say the least.  The only way for them to change the default decisions is if they then go out and pay more money to buy Mass Effect 1 (something people should factor in when they keep screaming "but but the PC/360 version is still cheaper").

There is a need for this "introductory module" on ALL platforms, there is absolutely no reason to keep it PS3 exclusive other than to "appease" a few fan boys that for some reason or another want to get "one over" on PC/360 users

Anyone with a 360 can go out and find ME1 for $10-15 used. A bargain surely.

PS3 owners do not get the same bargain. There is no need for this comic on the 360. Period.

The End.

Modifié par Lard, 14 novembre 2010 - 04:39 .

[comicfan22]

Lard wrote...

Anyone with a 360 can go out and find ME1 for $10-15 used. A bargain surely.

PS3 owners do not get the same bargain. There is no need for this comic on the 360. Period.

The End.

And the mood goes from mild back to sour again... sigh.

Modifié par comicfan22, 14 novembre 2010 - 04:58 .

[10 Steps Back]

comicfan22 wrote...

Lard wrote...

Anyone with a 360 can go out and find ME1 for $10-15 used. A bargain surely.

PS3 owners do not get the same bargain. There is no need for this comic on the 360. Period.

The End.

And the mood goes from mild back to sour again... sigh.

this is the internet nothiing stays mild for too long

[Elite Midget]

The comic isn't supposed to replace ME1. It's compensation for not being able to play ME1.



I have no sympathy for PC/360 Gamers that refuse to buy ME1 than whine about not getting the full ME Experience in ME2. You can support Bioware or you can suck it up and deal with not getting the full experience because you refuse to play ME1.



PS3 Owners can't play ME1 thus they get a Comic as compensation. That Comic will not be anywhere near as immersive as ME1 and I doubt they'll get a lot of the minor choices such as Emily Wong or the Asari Consort anyway.

[Dust_King]

I'm sorry, can someone tell me (as someone who will by his first ME game on ps3) why exactly I wouldn't want the comic coming out on 360/pc?



If they want to read it how does it affect me or anyone else buying the game on ps3?

[Lard]

Didn't you read the summary?

[Dust_King]

 I have, I've also been following this thread since day 1

What I understand is happening:

Comic instead of ME1
Comics initial release on ps3 (language used in post strongly indicates subsequent release on other platforms)
Ps3 owners annoyed by absence of ME1 (can't be helped as it was published by microsoft)
360/pc owners annoyed by absence of comic on their platforms

What I don't understand is why some people think the comic should not be released on pc/360, it hurts no one and tries to give everyone a chance at the same experience.

Also if they intend to bring it to a wide audience then that's more likely to ensure a quality final product, instead of a quick and cheap adaptation they might actually try and make a comic which can stand up on its own as a good experience. 

Basically why do some people think this should be ps3 only?

[Elite Midget]

It hurts PS3 sales. Why bother getting the Inferior version when you can get a cheap 360, from the Holiday sales, or game on PC for the full experience? They're already missing ME1. PC/360 Owners already have that over them. Begging for the Comic because you REFUSE to play ME1 is no excuse to give PS3 owners ther bird.



Bioware needs to give PS3 Owners something to convince them to pay $60 for ME2 while I can walk into a store and get ME2 new for $20. Getting all the DLC would still put me under the asking price the PS3 Owners must pay for a year old game.



Stop being selfish and lazy. We've had ME2 for a year and ME1 for years. Besides, neither game takes all that long to beat.

[Dust_King]

If I play a game it's because I want to play it, I don't care who else plays it. As you said if you want to play mass effect 1 you can play it on pc easily and microsoft will not allow it to be released on ps3. I may play mass effect one eventually but I'm not sure if it will run on my laptop. If I do play it it will because of the release of 2 on ps3.

I know a lot of 'gamers' don't care what other gamers do or don't play, I don't either. If someone wants to read a mass effect comic why should I care? I certainly don't see it as offensive.

And I doubt it will affect sales, you either want to play a game or you don't. You don't avoid a game because someone with no impact on my life has played it.

I'm saying this as a comic and book fan, if someone wants to read this then they should be able to, why's it any of my business what games they have/have not played.

Also I haven't played mass effect 1 or 2. I own a old computer and a ps3 without the extra cash for another console. I don't see why I should be offended because someone with a 360 gets to read a comic of a game they've already played, why should that impact my life in the slightest?

Modifié par Dust_King, 14 novembre 2010 - 09:50 .

[Skilled Seeker]

Thank you dust king. People here were trying to spin things and say it would be unfair to PS3 users if PC/360 users got the comic which makes no sense at all.

[charmingcharlie]

Elite Midget wrote...

It hurts PS3 sales. Why bother getting the Inferior version when you can get a cheap 360, from the Holiday sales, or game on PC for the full experience? They're already missing ME1. PC/360 Owners already have that over them. Begging for the Comic because you REFUSE to play ME1 is no excuse to give PS3 owners ther bird.

But apparently PS3 owners are still getting the inferior version even if the comic does not come to the PC/360 that does not change the fact that the PS3 will not get ME 1.  So if PS3 users are that bothered about not getting ME 1 they will simply do what you said anyway regardless of whether PC/360 users get the comic.

Giving the comic to PC/360 users in no way hurts PS3 owners the only thing it does is remove a PS3 owners ability to go "ha ha you didn't get the comic ha ha ha" which is a pretty sad reason in my books.

Elite Midget wrote...

Bioware needs to give PS3 Owners something to convince them to pay $60 for ME2 while I can walk into a store and get ME2 new for $20. Getting all the DLC would still put me under the asking price the PS3 Owners must pay for a year old game.

Stop being selfish and lazy. We've had ME2 for a year and ME1 for years. Besides, neither game takes all that long to beat.

Bioware has given PS3 gamers a reason to buy the game, the ability to play the game on their preferred platform.  The only one being "selfish" here is you demanding that content be held from PC/360 users just so PS3 users can have something to "brag about to PC/360".

As for lazy that is a matter of opinion, the comic book is a fresh new way to experience ME 1 it does not hurt PS3 users in any way if it was released on the PC/360 and as a fan of Mass Effect I would love to experience this new way of seeing into the Mass Effect universe.

[durasteel]

Lard wrote...

Anyone with a 360 can go out and find ME1 for $10-15 used. A bargain surely.

PS3 owners do not get the same bargain. There is no need for this comic on the 360. Period.

The End.

I keep seeing this same weak argument repeated as if it were an article of faith.  It doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, or whether you type it in ALL CAPS like you did a few pages back, the idea that anything related to a video game should be need based is just plain dumb.

There are lots of potential customers with BioWare (or MS) points to spend on this interactive comic.  They want it.  They are willing to buy it.  How is this difficult for you to understand?  If you want to think of it in terms of (ha ha) need, well... PS3 users don't need for this interactive comic to be an exclusive.

Don't tell me that I can just play Mass Effect for the twenty-somethingth time to generate another game save file.  I know that already, and it completely misses the point.  Don't tell me that the comic will not be an adequate replacement for the first game.  I know that, too, and it doesn't matter in the least.  That is as ridiculous as telling me that I don't need to buy the Lord of the Rings movies on DVD or BluRay, because I already have the books.  The books are more complete, the books are better, the movies can only capture a fraction of the back-story that Tolkein wrote, blah blah blah.  That's nonsense.

You keep posting your little mini-rants in this thread, implying that anyone who has an X Box or a PC and wants this interactive comic anyway is stupid, or greedy, or lazy.  Your comments are asinine.  This interactive comic is described as "BioWare Edmonton ... teamed up with the fine folks at Dark Horse Comics to create ... a stunning visual experience" - You would have to be stupid not to want to check that out.  No one expects it to meet or exceed the standard set by Mass Effect, we just think it will be pretty cool.  I also think most people would be willing to spend a few BioWare points on this, and I strongly suspect that everyone who is posting in this thread has played through Mass Effect more than once.  Even if they have not, seriously... what's it to you?

What is your problem with the idea of BioWare releasing this interactive comic across all platforms?  I think we all agree that it is most useful for the PS3 customers, but why should that matter to you?  Regardless of what ultimately happens, if you buy the game for the PS3, you get the comic.  If you don't, then it will never be forced upon you.  It seems like you're just here to make some kind of "you cannot have it!" argument in order to be a jackass.  Your tiny diatribes are not persuasive in the least, all they are is annoying - perhaps that has been your goal all along.

The bottom line is that platform exclusives suck.

Modifié par durasteel, 14 novembre 2010 - 04:23 .

[Lord Gremlin]

I think you all missing something. ME2 is by far not the only game coming to PS3 these holidays. Other upcoming titles include long-awaited PS3 exclusives like GT5 and KZ3 and other games with PS3 exclusive content (Dead Space 2 anyone?) All those games retail for $60-100 depending on your country and shop you use.
You see there are games that people buy at full price the moment they come out and there are games that people buy only when the price drops. As it stands now, if the only PS3 exclusive feature is comic, then only die-hard ME fans will buy it at full price.
So, for example... I live in Russia. Here you can buy a PC copy of ME2 in a shop for $20 now. Sure, it comes without DLC, but you can always buy them online. When ME2 for PS3 comes out, copies would sit in same shops for $80. (I name prices in $ so you could easily compare them)
"So, they added something exclusive for PS3? It's ****ing expensive for a year old game."
"Only a comic to replace ME1. You can buy PC version for $20 and then buy all DLC included with PS3 version."
Keep in mind, a lot of people have a PS3 and a PC. So the real problem here is to sell PS3 version to people who are not interested in ME2 right now or who own it already. The bottom line is: if they won't add proper exclusive content PS3 version will flop.

Modifié par Lord Gremlin, 14 novembre 2010 - 03:30 .

[10 Steps Back]

When someone makes a late port it's already a flop considering the wow it's new factor is gone, exclusive content never seems to be all that significant, and basically when someone makes a late port no matter how you look at it someone is going to get screwed if not every consumer involved.

[Lord Gremlin]

10 Steps Back wrote...

When someone makes a late port it's already a flop considering the wow it's new factor is gone, exclusive content never seems to be all that significant, and basically when someone makes a late port no matter how you look at it someone is going to get screwed if not every consumer involved.

Exclusive content can be significant, if done properly. TBH they needed 6 hours of exclusive gameplay to sell it on PS3. Too bad they only have a comic. Which is not really exclusive.

[durasteel]

Elite Midget wrote...
It hurts PS3 sales. Why bother getting the Inferior version when you can get a cheap 360, from the Holiday sales, or game on PC for the full experience? They're already missing ME1. PC/360 Owners already have that over them. Begging for the Comic because you REFUSE to play ME1 is no excuse to give PS3 owners ther bird.

Who is refusing to play ME1?  You're making crap up.  The overwhelming majority of people who are posting in this thread have played Mass Effect several times.  Also, to suggest that any outcome of this situation gives PS3 owners the bird is just preposterous.  PS3 owners are getting the interactive comic - that is a done deal.  The only question is whether, or when, the rest of us get to experience and use the comic, so the question is whether or not the PC/360 owners get the bird.  If you are suggesting that the PC/360 owners need to be given the bird to make the PS3 owners feel better about themselves and Sony's platform, then your argument is stupid.  Sorry, but it just is.

Elite Midget wrote...
Bioware needs to give PS3 Owners something to convince them to pay $60 for ME2 while I can walk into a store and get ME2 new for $20. Getting all the DLC would still put me under the asking price the PS3 Owners must pay for a year old game.

As I said before (I know you saw it, you replied to it) PS3 owners will be picking up ME2 for one reason only: because they want to play it on their PS3.  A few of them might be persuaded by the ability to use the interactive comic to set the variables from Mass Effect, but I very seriously doubt that even one person will base their purchase decision on whether or not I can buy that same interactive comic with BioWare points and download it to my PC.  You seem to care a great deal about the issue, despite not even owning a PS3, but lets not pretent that the actual PS3 owners give a rat's backside about whether or not I (or you) get to buy that comic for ourselves.

There will be some PS3 gamers who pick ME2 up at full price, but the real purpose of this exercise is to set up ME3.  When the third game is announced across all platforms (like Dragon Age 2) there will be a chance to pick up ME2 relatively cheaply.  This will help sell ME3 to the PS3 crowd.

Elite Midget wrote...
Stop being selfish and lazy. We've had ME2 for a year and ME1 for years. Besides, neither game takes all that long to beat.

Up yours.

I'm not trying to take anything away from anyone else.  I'm delighted for the PS3 gamers to get the comic (I would be delighted for them to get ME1, too) but I also want to be able to purchase it myself.  How does that make me selfish?  Seriously, are you going to try to make the asinine and stupid argument that it would be selfish of me to argue against another person or group of people having the ability to be selfish?  What kind of crap is that?

And where does this idea come from that it is lazy for a person to want the option to take a shortcut around playing a video game for the tenth or twentieth time?  It is a damn game, dude... if you don't much want to play it any more, that is not laziness.  It doesn't matter if it takes an hour, or a day, or a week to play through the game; it is a game, not a job.  How long I have had the damn game is not relevant in the least.

If you think that means you can call me selfish, or lazy, then from where I stand that just makes you obnoxious.

Modifié par durasteel, 14 novembre 2010 - 03:51 .

[durasteel]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

10 Steps Back wrote...

When someone makes a late port it's already a flop considering the wow it's new factor is gone, exclusive content never seems to be all that significant, and basically when someone makes a late port no matter how you look at it someone is going to get screwed if not every consumer involved.

Exclusive content can be significant, if done properly. TBH they needed 6 hours of exclusive gameplay to sell it on PS3. Too bad they only have a comic. Which is not really exclusive.

I truly believe that they are ready for the initial release of the PS3 version to flop.  They're hoping to pick up more significant sales for the PS3 when the prices drop, which will then lead to pre-orders and release date sales for Mass Effect 3 when it is released across all platforms at the same time.

Modifié par durasteel, 14 novembre 2010 - 03:49 .

[charmingcharlie]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

As it stands now, if the only PS3 exclusive feature is comic, then only die-hard ME fans will buy it at full price.

I didn't realise there were any die hard Mass Effect fans on the PS3 ?  I find it hard to believe there are die hard fans of Mass Effect if they have waited 3 years to get into the game.  This game will appeal to PS3 users that want to play the game on the PS3 and for some reason or another do not own a 360 or a PC.

Lord Gremlin wrote...
"Only a comic to replace ME1. You can buy PC version for $20 and then buy all DLC included with PS3 version."

The costs will depend on where you live, I live in the UK and if you add the price of Mass Effect 2 + DLC + Mass Effect 1 together it costs MORE than just buying the PS3 version of Mass Effect 2 which is an all in one experience.  Sure it is slightly cheaper on the PC but that is down to no console royalty fee.

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Keep in mind, a lot of people have a PS3 and a PC. So the real problem here is to sell PS3 version to people who are not interested in ME2 right now or who own it already. The bottom line is: if they won't add proper exclusive content PS3 version will flop.

Erm no just no, it does not serve Bioware to canabalise existing customers in the long run.  They are bringing the PS3 version out to get more people interested in the series.  It does not serve Bioware's interest to have someone that already owns Mass Effect 2 on the PC/360 to go and buy the PS3 version.  What Bioware want is for people on the PS3 that have never played Mass Effect to buy the game.  Now to them it will be irrelevant whether the PS3 version has exclusive content or not.

So far the only compelling argument for making content exclusive to the PS3 is so PS3 users can have the opportunity to go "ha ha we got this and you didn't ha ha ha ha" and to think people are calling PC/360 users petty because they want the ability to BUY the comic.

[10 Steps Back]

durasteel wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

10 Steps Back wrote...

When someone makes a late port it's already a flop considering the wow it's new factor is gone, exclusive content never seems to be all that significant, and basically when someone makes a late port no matter how you look at it someone is going to get screwed if not every consumer involved.

Exclusive content can be significant, if done properly. TBH they needed 6 hours of exclusive gameplay to sell it on PS3. Too bad they only have a comic. Which is not really exclusive.

I truly believe that they are ready for the initial release of the PS3 version to flop.  They're hoping to pick up more significant sales for the PS3 when the prices drop, which will then lead to pre-orders and release date sales for Mass Effect 3 when it is released across all platforms at the same time.

@Lord Gremlin
I know they can make it significant but that tends to be rare and we're seeing it with ME2 already, you make Exclusive Content that's very significant they risk alienating their original market. Yes it's not fair for those on PS3 who might never ever truly experience the full ME Trilogy but gimping one persons prospects because another person has their experience gimped isn't fair either.

All in all I agree that their should be some significant exclusive content for the PS3 version something I completely understand why people will disagree with me, but I also believe that should the PS3 get exclusive content it should be paid for at the same price that ME1 is selling now.

@durasteel
I agree I think they're just doing a Bioshock in the sense that the only true reason they port this is not to get cash for ME2 but to make sure there will be a market for when ME3 will drop.

I mean it really makes a lot of sense that people want to buy something they're familiar with and although there are cases where newer IP's unfamiliar to the public do better than normal as a business they probably see it as the former since its a more proven tactic.

*Back to normal*
Like I said before make a late port someone is getting screwed either way if not everyone.

[durasteel]

I think that the desire to produce and release their games across the three platforms simultaneously is one of the big factors that drove BioWare to agree to the deal with EA. Mass Effect was the third game that BioWare had released as an X Box platform exclusive (Jade Empire and Knights of the Old Republic) and I think that they really hated to do business that way. They needed the development capital that Microsoft offered, but they also understood that it alienated customers. BioWare probably had some amount of fear that they would wind up like Bungie, even without actually selling out to Microsoft.



Now with EA, BioWare has the financing, publishing, and distribution all worked out and they are free of any ties to specific platforms. I doubt see will ever see another BioWare game (other than their MMO, obviously) that is a platform exclusive unless it is an IP (like Sonic the Hedgehog) that is owned by Sony or MS.



Platform exclusives suck.

[Ryzaki]

Jade Empire and KOTOR are both on PC.

So...no. Actually BG, BGII and NVN are there only true exclusive titles and those are all on PC (I'm ignoring the sonic game)>

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 novembre 2010 - 04:29 .

[Virginian]

durasteel wrote...

Platform exclusives suck.

And yet the console making industry wouldn't thrive without them.

[durasteel]

Ryzaki wrote...

Jade Empire and KOTOR are both on PC.

So...no. Actually BG, BGII and NVN are there only true exclusive titles and those are all on PC (I'm ignoring the sonic game)>

You might not agree, but I think that PC games do not count as exclusives.  A game designed for the PC cannot always be adapted to use a controller, but a controller based game can always be adapted for the keyboard and mouse.  To port BioWare's earlier games to a console would have required, at the very least, a completely redesigned UI and control structure.  I'm sure it could have been done, but based on the performance of the consoles available 10 years ago and the resolution of the televisions they were connected to, I'm not sure it would have been worth it.  That's just my opinion, of course.

Knights of the Old Republic was released in North America first on the X Box, on July 15, 2003.  The PC release was not until November 19, 2003.  I honestly cannot remember if, at the time, BioWare was lying about the PC release.

Jade Empire was released in North America for the X Box on April 12, 2005.  At the time, BioWare (in the person of Evil Chris) was actively lying to the the fans, insisting that this X Box exclusive was not contemplated for release on any other platform.  It was released for Windows on February 26, 2007.

Mass Effect was released in North America for the X Box 360 on November 20, 2007.  Again, Chris insisted that this was an exclusive to Microsoft's console, and would remain that way.  BioWare had announced its merger with EA on October 11, 2007, and presumably EA bought out the Mass Effect publishing rights for Mass Effect after the initial XBox release from Microsoft as part of that deal.  Mass Effect was released for the PC on May 28, 2008.

KotOR was financed primarily by LucasArts.  The Mass Effect rights were bought out by EA.  The best example of the effect of the development deal with Microsoft, then, is Jade Empire.  It is no coincidence that this is the least successful of BioWare's games - remaining as a platform exclusive for almost 2 years was almost the kiss of death.  If the game had been released across the three platforms simultaneously or within a month or two of one another, we would probably have seen a Jade Empire 2.

What that tells me is that Platform Exclusives Suck.