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[Ryzaki]

So it was a timed exclusives.

That is no comparable to PS3 getting the comic in place of ME1.

ME1 will never come to PS3. So they're getting the comic in place of that.

The comic is going to be an inferior version of ME1. That's all.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 novembre 2010 - 05:13 .

[Skilled Seeker]

I can't believe GAMERS are supporting exclusivity in this thread. Exclusives benefit no one but MS, Sony and Nintendo. Gamers are the ones that suffer because of exclusives. Get a grip people.

[durasteel]

Virginian wrote...

durasteel wrote...

Platform exclusives suck.

And yet the console making industry wouldn't thrive without them.

I'm not sure about that.  I think that the BluRay player drove PS3 sales much more than Sonic the Hedgehog ever could have.  Halo probably was significant for the X Box, but my impression is that most gamers buy  a console based on the features and performance of the hardware, and that the exclusive games are a secondary concern.  Certainly there needs to be a substantial library of games available to justify the purchase, but I find it difficult to imagine buying a console for a few hundred bucks just to play one game.  Of course, I don't have a console and probably never will, so my opinion on that issue is worth, as a rough approximate, not a damn thing.

The idea that platform exclusives represent is unfortunate, though, isn't it?  I mean, it is sad to think that a consumer would think "Oh look: The PS has a better interface, I like the feel of the controller more, it does higher resolution graphics with better texture rendering, comes with a bluray player, slices bread, and has a redundant flux capacitor... but I really want to play Halo."  That just means that each console manufacturer thinks that their product is too much of a steaming pile to stand on its own merits against the competition.  Kind of pitiful.

[10 Steps Back]

durasteel wrote...

Virginian wrote...

durasteel wrote...

Platform exclusives suck.

And yet the console making industry wouldn't thrive without them.

I'm not sure about that.  I think that the BluRay player drove PS3 sales much more than Sonic the Hedgehog ever could have.  Halo probably was significant for the X Box, but my impression is that most gamers buy  a console based on the features and performance of the hardware, and that the exclusive games are a secondary concern.  Certainly there needs to be a substantial library of games available to justify the purchase, but I find it difficult to imagine buying a console for a few hundred bucks just to play one game.  Of course, I don't have a console and probably never will, so my opinion on that issue is worth, as a rough approximate, not a damn thing.

The idea that platform exclusives represent is unfortunate, though, isn't it?  I mean, it is sad to think that a consumer would think "Oh look: The PS has a better interface, I like the feel of the controller more, it does higher resolution graphics with better texture rendering, comes with a bluray player, slices bread, and has a redundant flux capacitor... but I really want to play Halo."  That just means that each console manufacturer thinks that their product is too much of a steaming pile to stand on its own merits against the competition.  Kind of pitiful.

Silly you everyone knows the PS3 can't slice bread it's obviously a toaster

[comicfan22]

So why don't we all just stop talking about this. The other side just has "platform exclusives sucks and I'm too damn lazy" as an argument and my side has the fact that we can't get it through your heads that a comic that is "not that significant and isn't something you're going to miss'. Since neither side is going to win I merely suggest to agree to disagree and stop the whining on both sides.

[durasteel]

Ryzaki wrote...

So it was a timed exclusives.

That is no comparable to PS3 getting the comic in place of ME1.

ME1 will never come to PS3. So they're getting the comic in place of that.

The comic is going to be an inferior version of ME1. That's all.

The interactive comic is being made because the PS3 version of ME2 will not be able to import saves from ME1 (because ME1 doesn't exist for the PS format.)  Really, we all get that - repeating it doesn't drive the point home any farther.

So what?

Many movies are inferior versions of the books that inspired them, but that doesn't mean that people can't enjoy them in addition to the books.  If the interactive comic is going to be made anyway, it is foolish to withhold it from potential paying customers.

You keep saying that there is no reason for us (PC/360) to have the comic, but here is the only reason that matters: we want it.  We have the desire and the cash.  What possible reason can their be for BioWare not to sell this product that they will have already made anyway?  Please don't suggest that it is to make the PS3 guys feel better... that's nonsense.

Platform exclusives don't sell games, they sell consoles.  Halo and its sequels would have sold twice as many copies, or more, if it had been released across all platforms simultaneously, but there might have been a few less XBoxen flying off the shelves.  BioWare isn't releasing this port to support Sony or the PS3, they're doing it to support sales of Mass Effect 3.

Platform exclusives suck.

[Ryzaki]

comicfan22 wrote...

So why don't we all just stop talking about this. The other side just has "platform exclusives sucks and I'm too damn lazy" as an argument and my side has the fact that we can't get it through your heads that a comic that is "not that significant and isn't something you're going to miss'. Since neither side is going to win I merely suggest to agree to disagree and stop the whining on both sides.

This.

This circular argumenent is geting tiresome.

[Lard]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Bioware has given PS3 gamers a reason to buy the game, the ability to play the game on their preferred platform.  The only one being "selfish" here is you demanding that content be held from PC/360 users just so PS3 users can have something to "brag about to PC/360".

As for lazy that is a matter of opinion, the comic book is a fresh new way to experience ME 1 it does not hurt PS3 users in any way if it was released on the PC/360 and as a fan of Mass Effect I would love to experience this new way of seeing into the Mass Effect universe.

PS3 owners are the ones being shorted because they're not getting ME1. Fact.
You are whining and crying because you want everything. Fact.
360 owners already get to brag because they have the first game and PS3 owners do not.
360 owners do not need this comic. Fact.

Skilled Seeker wrote...Thank you dust king. People here
were trying to spin things and say it would be unfair to PS3 users if
PC/360 users got the comic which makes no sense at all.

But it's unfair that PS3 owners don't get the first game, and of course you're not concerned about that.

Heaven forbid 360 owners not get anything anyone else has, even if there's a disparity with what the PS3 has and what the 360 has.

God some people are self-entitled, spoiled, whiny babies.

durasteel wrote...

You keep saying that there is no reason for us (PC/360) to have the comic, but here is the only reason that matters: we want it. 
We have the desire and the cash.  What possible reason can their be for
BioWare not to sell this product that they will have already made
anyway?  Please don't suggest that it is to make the PS3 guys feel
better... that's nonsense.

Platform exclusives suck.

We (PS3 owners) want the first game, and we're not getting it. Life doesn't always give you something, just because you want it. Suck it up.

Modifié par Lard, 14 novembre 2010 - 05:48 .

[durasteel]

comicfan22 wrote...

So why don't we all just stop talking about this. The other side just has "platform exclusives sucks and I'm too damn lazy" as an argument and my side has the fact that we can't get it through your heads that a comic that is "not that significant and isn't something you're going to miss'. Since neither side is going to win I merely suggest to agree to disagree and stop the whining on both sides.

You're wrong, and you know it.  That's why you resort to calling me "lazy" for not wanting to play a game again for the tenth or twentieth time, as if playing a game is somehow hard work and a virtuous industry.  You've lost the argument, so you're now reduced to flinging your feces through the bars at passing tourist out of spite.

If the comic is "not that significant" then why does it matter so much to you?  You seem to have a vested interest in keeping it off of my hard drive - that belies your claim that it lacks significance.  The more you argue to keep it from me, the more significant it becomes.  Also, the question of whether or not I will or would miss it is one to be discussed among the voices in my head, and your voice is not one of them.  My opinions are not in the least subject to your approval or approbation.

I want to buy the damn comic.  BioWare will have the damn comic.  Somehow, this effects you.  Somehow it would hurt you, crush your spirit, if BioWare was to sell a copy of the comic to me.  Why?

I can tell you why we're not going to stop talking about this - it is simple.  We're not going to stop talking about this because platform exclusives suck.

[10 Steps Back]

durasteel wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

So it was a timed exclusives.

That is no comparable to PS3 getting the comic in place of ME1.

ME1 will never come to PS3. So they're getting the comic in place of that.

The comic is going to be an inferior version of ME1. That's all.

The interactive comic is being made because the PS3 version of ME2 will not be able to import saves from ME1 (because ME1 doesn't exist for the PS format.)  Really, we all get that - repeating it doesn't drive the point home any farther.

So what?

Many movies are inferior versions of the books that inspired them, but that doesn't mean that people can't enjoy them in addition to the books.  If the interactive comic is going to be made anyway, it is foolish to withhold it from potential paying customers.

You keep saying that there is no reason for us (PC/360) to have the comic, but here is the only reason that matters: we want it.  We have the desire and the cash.  What possible reason can their be for BioWare not to sell this product that they will have already made anyway?  Please don't suggest that it is to make the PS3 guys feel better... that's nonsense.

I wouldn't use a movie-book example for one reason, people who'll get a better experience from the book have the opportunity to get the book and watch the movie. The point is the opportunity is there the opportunity is there for 360/PC gamers who want the full ME1 experience, the opportunity isn't there for PS3 owners they get a comic which is ME1 made short.

And it's understandable you have the cash and the desire but could we not say the same for the PS3 owners about the first ME don't they have the desire and the cash. What possible reason could Bioware have to not just pull a NGSigma anyway.

Because in the end it's the fault of Mass Effect 1 not the gamers and not the developers. ME1 is the central focus of why this conversations are becoming problematic both cry out some sort of equality but one side won't get that equality unless Bioware does the loophole so the justification that it's to make PS3 guys feel better isn't in any ways great but it isn't nonsense, potential buyers wouldn't want to hear that they're not going to truly experience the ME universe so seriously exclusives are the way to go.

Unless you guys can create a better compromise for everyone one where the blow will lessen for the PS3 owners not getting ME1 and still be fair enough for the PC/360 crowd.

[Lard]

durasteel wrote...
I can tell you why we're not going to stop talking about this - it is simple.  We're not going to stop talking about this because platform exclusives suck.

If that's the case, you should be arguing for the release of ME1 on the PS3.

[gethslayer7]

i know it sucks ps3 not having me1 but it suvks even more were not having a comic well it is just a comic but i hate me1 one gameplay its like torture so i wont the comic because i dont have like 20 hours free to be touchrterd

[10 Steps Back]

Lard wrote...

durasteel wrote...
I can tell you why we're not going to stop talking about this - it is simple.  We're not going to stop talking about this because platform exclusives suck.

If that's the case, you should be arguing for the release of ME1 on the PS3.

Well we could probably convince him to do it if we tried but right now it only makes sense for him to go for the comic because it's the immediate topic.

[10 Steps Back]

gethslayer7 wrote...

i know it sucks ps3 not having me1 but it suvks even more were not having a comic well it is just a comic but i hate me1 one gameplay its like torture so i wont the comic because i dont have like 20 hours free to be touchrterd

it may suck for you even more but take into account you've played ME1 before so the story experience you've already experienced and while you disliked the gameplay you have the advantage that they won't have you were immersed with the ME series.

So don't just say which svcks more some people would be willing to make a compromise about the gameplay just to be able to fully immerse themselves in the ME universe.

[Lard]

10 Steps Back wrote...

Well we could probably convince him to do it if we tried but right now it only makes sense for him to go for the comic because it's the immediate topic.

Not really, since we're getting it instead of the game. If we get the comic, then we'll never get the game. Better to address it now, before it's released.

Modifié par Lard, 14 novembre 2010 - 06:10 .

[gethslayer7]

10 Steps Back wrote...

gethslayer7 wrote...

i know it sucks ps3 not having me1 but it suvks even more were not having a comic well it is just a comic but i hate me1 one gameplay its like torture so i wont the comic because i dont have like 20 hours free to be touchrterd

it may suck for you even more but take into account you've played ME1 before so the story experience you've already experienced and while you disliked the gameplay you have the advantage that they won't have you were immersed with the ME series.

So don't just say which svcks more some people would be willing to make a compromise about the gameplay just to be able to fully immerse themselves in the ME universe.

well i brought mass effect 2 first 
then got 1 i got liara and gave up ive always played the defualt story

[10 Steps Back]

Lard wrote...

10 Steps Back wrote...

Well we could probably convince him to do it if we tried but right now it only makes sense for him to go for the comic because it's the immediate topic.

Not really, since we're getting it instead of the game. If we get the comic, then we'll never get the game. Better to address it now, before it's released.

Here's the deal if they also get the comic then you can go and address ME1, one can make quite a compelling argument that even with the comic the ME experience is gimped. Then  again you can also address it even if it's exclusive then ask for the comic to be made for PC/360.

[10 Steps Back]

gethslayer7 wrote...

10 Steps Back wrote...

gethslayer7 wrote...

i know it sucks ps3 not having me1 but it suvks even more were not having a comic well it is just a comic but i hate me1 one gameplay its like torture so i wont the comic because i dont have like 20 hours free to be touchrterd

it may suck for you even more but take into account you've played ME1 before so the story experience you've already experienced and while you disliked the gameplay you have the advantage that they won't have you were immersed with the ME series.

So don't just say which svcks more some people would be willing to make a compromise about the gameplay just to be able to fully immerse themselves in the ME universe.

well i brought mass effect 2 first 
then got 1 i got liara and gave up ive always played the defualt story

Okay now here's the kicker you still have and will always have the opportunity to truly experience the story. They don't.

[gethslayer7]

10 Steps Back wrote...

gethslayer7 wrote...

10 Steps Back wrote...

gethslayer7 wrote...

i know it sucks ps3 not having me1 but it suvks even more were not having a comic well it is just a comic but i hate me1 one gameplay its like torture so i wont the comic because i dont have like 20 hours free to be touchrterd

it may suck for you even more but take into account you've played ME1 before so the story experience you've already experienced and while you disliked the gameplay you have the advantage that they won't have you were immersed with the ME series.

So don't just say which svcks more some people would be willing to make a compromise about the gameplay just to be able to fully immerse themselves in the ME universe.

well i brought mass effect 2 first 
then got 1 i got liara and gave up ive always played the defualt story

Okay now here's the kicker you still have and will always have the opportunity to truly experience the story. They don't.

true but we wont experiance the comic 

[durasteel]

Lard wrote...

PS3 owners are the ones being shorted because they're not getting ME1. Fact.
You are whining and crying because you want everything. Fact.
360 owners already get to brag because they have the first game and PS3 owners do not.
360 owners do not need this comic. Fact.

It sucks that Microsoft prevented PS3 owners from getting Mass Effect:  Agreed.  Platform exclusives suck.
You are a jackass with no ability to make a reasonable argument, so you resort to accusing anyone who does not agree with you of "whining" and "crying" and "wanting everything:"  Obvious.
360 owners do not give a crap whether PS3 owners get Mass Effect:  Fact.
PS3 owners do not need this game at all: Trump card.

Lard wrote...
But it's unfair that PS3 owners don't get the first game, and of course you're not concerned about that.

Heaven forbid 360 owners not get anything anyone else has, even if there's a disparity with what the PS3 has and what the 360 has.

God some people are self-entitled, spoiled, whiny babies.

What?  I mean... seriously?  So you want BioWare to withhold this interactive comic, to make it a PS3 platform exclusive, as a sort of prize for your pity party?  Are you really that pathetic?  I totally get that you're torqued over the ME1 excluding the PS format, I'm actually with you on that issue.  What I find incredible is that you are suggesting that 360 and PC game owners should be intentionally aggravated so that you can feel better.  That's just pitiful, man.  If that's how you really feel about it, you need to spend less time playing video games and more time with social interaction.  Maybe get a dog, I don't know.

Lard wrote...
We (PS3 owners) want the first game, and we're not getting it. Life doesn't always give you something, just because you want it. Suck it up.

Well well, who is the "self-entitled, spoiled, whiny baby" now?  Look in the mirror.

While it is certainly true that life does not give you what you want, it is equally true that if a company does not give its customers what they want then is is a less successful company than it would otherwise be.  To suggest that BioWare should intentionally withhold a product, however small, from customers who are standing with cash in hand demanding to buy it is moronic.  When they made that decision (against you) for Mass Effect, it was because Microsoft gave them buckets of money to screw you over.  What can you possibly offer BioWare to make it a good idea to screw their PC and 360 customers?  Not your incredible charm and insightful business acumen, that much is clear.

You have not offered a single coherent argument in this entire thread against releasing this interactive comic across all platforms.  All you do is spout platitudes and invective, like "it's not fair" and "suck it up," imbecilic ranting like "you're spoiled and greedy" and "stop whining and crying."   If this is the best you have to offer, you have nothing.

[Skilled Seeker]

Ryzaki wrote...

comicfan22 wrote...

So why don't we all just stop talking about this. The other side just has "platform exclusives sucks and I'm too damn lazy" as an argument and my side has the fact that we can't get it through your heads that a comic that is "not that significant and isn't something you're going to miss'. Since neither side is going to win I merely suggest to agree to disagree and stop the whining on both sides.

This.

This circular argumenent is geting tiresome.

lol when I told you guys to stop many posts back I get ignored.

And Lard is the biggest jealous hypocrite I have seen on these boards.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 14 novembre 2010 - 06:26 .

[gethslayer7]

this thread is like a debate

[10 Steps Back]

gethslayer7 wrote...

10 Steps Back wrote...

gethslayer7 wrote...

10 Steps Back wrote...

gethslayer7 wrote...

i know it sucks ps3 not having me1 but it suvks even more were not having a comic well it is just a comic but i hate me1 one gameplay its like torture so i wont the comic because i dont have like 20 hours free to be touchrterd

it may suck for you even more but take into account you've played ME1 before so the story experience you've already experienced and while you disliked the gameplay you have the advantage that they won't have you were immersed with the ME series.

So don't just say which svcks more some people would be willing to make a compromise about the gameplay just to be able to fully immerse themselves in the ME universe.

well i brought mass effect 2 first 
then got 1 i got liara and gave up ive always played the defualt story

Okay now here's the kicker you still have and will always have the opportunity to truly experience the story. They don't.

true but we wont experiance the comic 

The comic is a streamlined experience of ME1 where you get a more rich experience than with the comic if you choose to play through the full game.

[10 Steps Back]

gethslayer7 wrote...

this thread is like a debate

You only noticed that now:D(man I like the smiley's in this forum better than the ones in my regular place)

[gethslayer7]

10 Steps Back wrote...

gethslayer7 wrote...

10 Steps Back wrote...

gethslayer7 wrote...

10 Steps Back wrote...

gethslayer7 wrote...

i know it sucks ps3 not having me1 but it suvks even more were not having a comic well it is just a comic but i hate me1 one gameplay its like torture so i wont the comic because i dont have like 20 hours free to be touchrterd

it may suck for you even more but take into account you've played ME1 before so the story experience you've already experienced and while you disliked the gameplay you have the advantage that they won't have you were immersed with the ME series.

So don't just say which svcks more some people would be willing to make a compromise about the gameplay just to be able to fully immerse themselves in the ME universe.

well i brought mass effect 2 first 
then got 1 i got liara and gave up ive always played the defualt story

Okay now here's the kicker you still have and will always have the opportunity to truly experience the story. They don't.

true but we wont experiance the comic 

The comic is a streamlined experience of ME1 where you get a more rich experience than with the comic if you choose to play through the full game.

thats true i just hate exclusives that why i think bioware shoud try and get me1 on ps3 
but if there are any exclusives it shoud be to pc or xbox