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[Dave of Canada]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

There's nothing selfish about wanting to experience the comic alongside PS3 players. I'm soooo tired of this.

Then buy the PS3 version.
If a PS3 user wants to fully experience ME1, he needs to buy it for PC or 360.

[Skilled Seeker]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

There's nothing selfish about wanting to experience the comic alongside PS3 players. I'm soooo tired of this.

Then buy the PS3 version.
If a PS3 user wants to fully experience ME1, he needs to buy it for PC or 360.

Or Bioware could do the logical thing and release it on PC/360 later on so everyone is as happy as possible. Contract obligations prevent Bioware from porting ME1 to PS3. No such obligations exist for the comic.

[Haventh]

Thanks for the clarification.... perhaps i can finally make my friend get Mass Effect 2.

[SSV Enterprise]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

SSV Enterprise wrote...

ITT:

Jesse Houston:  Hey guys, PS3 just gets all the stuff that PC and Xbox already had! No exclusive missions!  Just a comic instead of ME1.

Fans: Wtf we see an ambiguous "exclusive" in there! FAN RAGE!

Jesse Houston:  No no, there's no exclusive to the console.  Just exclusively free stuff.

Selfish fans:  Wtf PS3 gets this stuff for free and we had to pay?  The get a comic FAN RAGE!

Calm fans:  It's the same price as we can buy it for now, and we got ME1. It's fair.

Selfish fans:  No it's not!

Calm fans:  Yes it is.

Selfish fans:  No it's not!

Calm fans:  Yes it is!

Argumentum ad infinitum ad nauseum ad absurdum...

There's nothing selfish about wanting to experience the comic alongside PS3 players. I'm soooo tired of this.

Simply wanting the comic book is not selfish.  Wanting the comic book to the point that one says, "BioWare betrayed the fans!", rambling about how console exclusives are the spawn of Satan and BioWare is one of his demons, and threatening to boycott ME3 (which has all been done ITT)  is selfish.

[K, k, I exaggerated with the "Satan" thing)

Modifié par SSV Enterprise, 16 novembre 2010 - 07:19 .

[Chuvvy]

Emyer wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

So, you're making all the previously released DLC free on PS3? But the DLC will stay the same price on PC and xbox? Sure is biased. They should make it free on PC and Xbox, to be fair to new comers on all platforms. Or you know you could just spit in the face of your previous demo as you move on to a new one. Also, if you say I'm saying this just because I want it for free, I already have all the DLC. Minus the Costume pack.

But...but...the DLC they are getting isn't free

Right, they're just paying the same price we paid for the game and getting the DLC we paid extra for included. But they are not getting it for free.

And ? They're still paying for the game either way , it isn't free... besides what do you get out of it ? You and everyone else who bought the DLC have already paid for it, if you paid for it it's because you found the price just for the content you bought, that's all there is to it, it's not like you'd get any money back if the PS3 users had to pay full price for a year old port and then pay the rest for the DLC and it's not like anyone is stealing money from your pocket, you just sound like someone petty and with a false sense of entitlement

It's for the other people. How am I petty for wanting it to be fair to new comers on PC, Xbox and PS3? Jesus Chirst.

[gadna13]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

No one can complain about pricing. The only thing complain worthy is any exclusivity the PS3 receives which doesn't look to be the case.

Bam! Perfectly worded right there. I can go out and buy ME2 and all the DLC for less than $60 right now. So pricing doesn't bother me. Also, only thing PS3 users get is the comic (which for all we know might be available to PC/360 later.)

I am not bothered by any of this in the least bit. I hope I can get my hands on that comic at some point though.

Modifié par gadna13, 16 novembre 2010 - 07:46 .

[charmingcharlie]

SSV Enterprise wrote...
threatening to boycott ME3 (which has all been done ITT)  is selfish.

I don't see what is "selfish" about showing you have no desire to purchase Mass Effect 3 if a company is going to with hold content from you.   I haven't seen anyone here saying they want the comic for free, nearly every one has stated they are happy to pay a fair price for the comic (as am I).  However as a paying customer if a company says to me "we are not going to let you buy this" then I think the message is clear, they don't want my money which is fine by me.

I know if I was a PS3 owner I would be asking myself "why should I buy Mass Effect 2 ?".  Obviously PS3 users money wasn't good enough for Bioware 3 years ago, yet now all of a sudden it is.  So if I was a PS3 user I wouldn't even entertain the thought of buying ME 2 or ME 3 unless all the content in ME 1 is made available to me.  Thankfully I am not a PS3 user so I don't concentrate on that issue.

Now I don't think the comic situation is enough on it's own to decide whether or not to bother with ME 3.  I know for me if the comic is not made available it would be "the straw that breaks the camels back".  There have been a fair few things I am unhappy about as a customer.  It isn't right to go into them here but the comic and exclusive stuff is just enough to push me into deciding to give Mass Effect 3 the boot (along with any other Bioware stuff).

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 16 novembre 2010 - 08:12 .

[Dust_King]

Slidell505 wrote...

It's for the other people. How am I petty for wanting it to be fair to new comers on PC, Xbox and PS3? Jesus Chirst.

But you seem to misunderstand what's fair. If the PS3 owners were getting DLC for free I could understand.

But they're not.

They pay for it as a package along with the main game. Unlike 360/pc owners who can buy the main game cheaply and then decide if they want to pay extra for the DLC (and still end up paying less than the PS3 edition).

Not having the option not to pay for the DLC doesn't make it free, it means bioware always sells a copy with every PS3 copy of Me2.

If you wanted things to be fair for newcomers then why aren't you complaining that newcomers on PS3 have to pay more for things which a newcomer on 360/pc can decide whether or not to buy (and either way get a better deal than PS3)

(and don't bring the comic up, "initially exclusive" means it will be released for the other platforms soon)

[Dave of Canada]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Or Bioware could do the logical thing and release it on PC/360 later on so everyone is as happy as possible. Contract obligations prevent Bioware from porting ME1 to PS3. No such obligations exist for the comic.

Everybody is happy? I'm pretty sure the PS3 fans won't be happy and the PC/360 people lose nothing in the end as they experienced the "comic" with ME1.

ZOMFG YOU LOSE CONTENT THAT YOU ALREADY PLAYED
THE END OF THE WORLD IS NIGH
BIOWARE IS EVIL

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 16 novembre 2010 - 09:11 .

[Midey77]

'Exclusives are bad' - BioWare if you decided to release Mass Effect 2 on PS3, please release 'Interactive comic' on X360 and PC. I am Mass Effect fan for two years and I would like to experience something new.

PS: Dave of Canada - please be stop writing!

[Skilled Seeker]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Or Bioware could do the logical thing and release it on PC/360 later on so everyone is as happy as possible. Contract obligations prevent Bioware from porting ME1 to PS3. No such obligations exist for the comic.

Everybody is happy? I'm pretty sure the PS3 fans won't be happy and the PC/360 people lose nothing in the end as they experienced the "comic" with ME1.

ZOMFG YOU LOSE CONTENT THAT YOU ALREADY PLAYED
THE END OF THE WORLD IS NIGH
BIOWARE IS EVIL

Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

And I'm sure PS3 owners like Dust king here won't give a damn whether we get the comic since it doesn't affect them one bit.

And no we haven't played the interactive comc. Would you deny someone a movie based on a book if they're already read the book? Would you say only those who haven't read the book should be allowed to see the movie?

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 16 novembre 2010 - 09:38 .

[scottelite]

Midey77 wrote...

'Exclusives are bad' - BioWare if you decided to release Mass Effect 2 on PS3, please release 'Interactive comic' on X360 and PC. I am Mass Effect fan for two years and I would like to experience something new.

PS: Dave of Canada - please be stop writing!

Only if you does grammar correctly.

[Midey77]

scottelite wrote...

Midey77 wrote...

'Exclusives are bad' - BioWare if you decided to release Mass Effect 2 on PS3, please release 'Interactive comic' on X360 and PC. I am Mass Effect fan for two years and I would like to experience something new.

PS: Dave of Canada - please be stop writing!

Only if you does grammar correctly.

I am trying to speak Canadian! ^^

Modifié par Midey77, 16 novembre 2010 - 09:47 .

[Chuvvy]

Dust_King wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

It's for the other people. How am I petty for wanting it to be fair to new comers on PC, Xbox and PS3? Jesus Chirst.

But you seem to misunderstand what's fair. If the PS3 owners were getting DLC for free I could understand.

But they're not.

They pay for it as a package along with the main game. Unlike 360/pc owners who can buy the main game cheaply and then decide if they want to pay extra for the DLC (and still end up paying less than the PS3 edition).

Not having the option not to pay for the DLC doesn't make it free, it means bioware always sells a copy with every PS3 copy of Me2.

If you wanted things to be fair for newcomers then why aren't you complaining that newcomers on PS3 have to pay more for things which a newcomer on 360/pc can decide whether or not to buy (and either way get a better deal than PS3)

(and don't bring the comic up, "initially exclusive" means it will be released for the other platforms soon)

Right and in a month and a half the PS3 version will be cheap like the 360 and PC and it will still come with the DLC. And the 360 and PC versions will still need to pay for the DLC.

[durasteel]

Slidell505 wrote...
Right and in a month and a half the PS3 version will be cheap like the 360 and PC and it will still come with the DLC. And the 360 and PC versions will still need to pay for the DLC.

I don't think this is correct.  I think we have another significant DLC to bridge the game between ME2 and ME3, and then we will see all the DLC bundled together with the game for a "Game of the Year" edition.  In other words, a couple of months after the PS3 version hits the shelves, all new purchases of Mass Effect 2 will include all or almost all of the DLC (other than the Cerberus content which will remain separate under the "project 10 bucks" thing.)

Modifié par durasteel, 16 novembre 2010 - 11:05 .

[durasteel]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Everybody is happy? I'm pretty sure the PS3 fans won't be happy and the PC/360 people lose nothing in the end as they experienced the "comic" with ME1.

ZOMFG YOU LOSE CONTENT THAT YOU ALREADY PLAYED
THE END OF THE WORLD IS NIGH
BIOWARE IS EVIL

I am very tired of this stupid argument being trotted out and treated as if it makes any fornicating sense whatsoever.

We haven't experienced the comic.  We experienced the game.  The comic is not the game.  Yes, it is based off of the game.  Yes, it tells essentially the same story.  The art is completely different, the sound is almost certainly going to be different, with voice-over possibly from different actors.  The comic will be a different experience.

Would I trade the game for the comic?  No.  Does that make this "screw the 360" argument less stupid?  No.  Is there any reason to keep the interactive comic exclusive to the PS3?  No, unless you accept reasons that are stupid, asinine, or petty.  The argument that some PS3 owners might be mad about ME1 and eager to lash out at the 360 owners in any way possible is crap.  Marketing and business strategy based on this crap would be crap itself.

Platform exclusives suck.  They will always suck.

Modifié par durasteel, 17 novembre 2010 - 02:49 .

[Dust_King]

Slidell505 wrote...

Right and in a month and a half the PS3 version will be cheap like the 360 and PC and it will still come with the DLC. And the 360 and PC versions will still need to pay for the DLC.

Does your crystal ball contain any other predictions about Mass Effect? Can you tell us about the next DLC or when the Game of the Year edition will be released? (Sorry for the sarcasm but I really don't like people basing arguments on assumptions)

Games don't immediately drop in price (a quick look proves FFXIII, white night chronicles, new vegas, just cause, transformers, dead rising 2 etc. are all still being sold at full price, well over "a month and a half" after their release). By the time Mass Effect 2 begins to drop in price there could have been any number of developments which we have no way of predicting.

If your objecting to this because of a hypothetical situation which is up to six months away from actually happening you may want to take a closer look at what exactly you call "fair"

As I said, the PS3 edition is still months away from release, let alone a price drop, so unless you know all of bioware's planned announcements for the next six months I can't see how you know this will be unfair when the price does eventually drop.

Sorry but that just seems like a really weak argument 

Modifié par Dust_King, 16 novembre 2010 - 11:17 .

[Chuvvy]

Dust_King wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Right and in a month and a half the PS3 version will be cheap like the 360 and PC and it will still come with the DLC. And the 360 and PC versions will still need to pay for the DLC.

Does your crystal ball contain any other predictions about Mass Effect? Can you tell us about the next DLC or when the Game of the Year edition will be released? (Sorry for the sarcasm but I really don't like people basing arguments on assumptions)

Games don't immediately drop in price (a quick look proves FFXIII, white night chronicles, new vegas, just cause, transformers, dead rising 2 etc. are all still being sold at full price, well over "a month and a half" after their release). By the time Mass Effect 2 begins to drop in price there could have been any number of developments which we have no way of predicting.

If your objecting to this because of a hypothetical situation which is up to six months away from actually happening you may want to take a closer look at what exactly you call "fair"

As I said, the PS3 edition is still months away from release, let alone a price drop, so unless you know all of bioware's planned announcements for the next six months I can't see how you know this will be unfair when the price does eventually drop.

Sorry but that just seems like a really weak argument 

And your argument is based around the idea that something will be realeased for the 360/PC in the next six months. All we can do is speculate. So we can have a pissing contest for the next six months or we can agree to disagree. I up for either I like a decent debate, but I'd rather debate politics or relgion. More fun.

[Chuvvy]

durasteel wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Everybody is happy? I'm pretty sure the PS3 fans won't be happy and the PC/360 people lose nothing in the end as they experienced the "comic" with ME1.

ZOMFG YOU LOSE CONTENT THAT YOU ALREADY PLAYED
THE END OF THE WORLD IS NIGH
BIOWARE IS EVIL

I am very tired of this stupid argument being trotted out and treated as if it makes any fornicating sense whatsoever.

We haven't experience the comic.  We experienced the game.  The comic is not the game.  Yes, it is based off of the game.  Yes, it tells essentially the same story.  The art is completely different, the sound is almost certainly going to be different, with voice-over possibly from different actors.  The comic will be a different experience.

Would I trade the game for the comic?  No.  Does that make this "screw the 360" argument less stupid?  No.  Is there any reason to keep the interactive comic exclusive to the PS3?  No, unless you accept reasons that are stupid, asinine, or petty.  The argument that some PS3 owners might be mad about ME1 and eager to lash out at the 360 owners in any way possible is crap.  Marketing and business strategy based on this crap would be crap itself.

Platform exclusives suck.  They will always suck.

The only reason I'd want the comic is so I don't have to playthrough ME1 everytime I want to have a different decision. I couldn't care less about looking at it.

[durasteel]

Slidell505 wrote...

The only reason I'd want the comic is so I don't have to playthrough ME1 everytime I want to have a different decision. I couldn't care less about looking at it.

That sets you up for the other useless turd of an argument that some have deployed in the service of advocating for platform exclusivity.  If you want to enjoy the comic, see, you're greedy - but if you only want it for is usefulness, then you're lazy.  Since I want it for both reasons, I must be a terrible person.

That's right, you've played Mass Effect all you want to already, but... you're lazy if you don't want to play a game all the way through to change a couple of decisions for the sequel.  Read back a couple of pages in this thread, you'll see what I mean.

All of the arguments that we have seen here against releasing this interactive comic thing across all platforms are entirely ridiculous.  Platform exclusives suck.

[Lard]

durasteel wrote...

I am very tired of this stupid argument being trotted out and treated as if it makes any fornicating sense whatsoever.

We haven't experienced the comic.  We experienced the game.  The comic is not the game.

Would I trade the game for the comic?  No. 

There's your answer right there. You want both while PS3 owners get stuck with a half-assed option, so you can lord it over us.

No dice. The comic is TO MAKE UP FOR the fact that PS3 owners ARE NOT GETTING MASS EFFECT 1.

YOU HAVE MASS EFFECT 1.

Discussion over.

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Or Bioware could do the logical
thing and release it on PC/360 later on so everyone is as happy as
possible. Contract obligations prevent Bioware from porting ME1 to PS3.
No such obligations exist for the comic.

The *only* way everyone will be as happy as possible is when the PS3 actually gets Mass Effect 1.

Modifié par Lard, 17 novembre 2010 - 03:07 .

[Ryzaki]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

There's nothing selfish about wanting to experience the comic alongside PS3 players. I'm soooo tired of this.

Then buy the PS3 version.
If a PS3 user wants to fully experience ME1, he needs to buy it for PC or 360.

I could kiss you right now. 

[charmingcharlie]

Lard wrote...
The *only* way everyone will be as happy as possible is when the PS3 actually gets Mass Effect 1.

Ok so explain to me, why would PS3 owners be "unhappy" if PC/360 users got the ability to BUY the comic ?  As has been said several dozen times now, giving PC/360 users access to the comic will not impact on PS3 users in any way whatsoever.

The only way I can possibly think it would make PS3 users "unhappy" is if they had some sort of grudge against PC/360 users and thus they want PC/360 users to lose out on something no matter how small it is. 

Oh and here is a bit of free advice, if you come across someone trying to "rub your nose in it" over a computer game, then you might want to do the adult thing and ignore them.  The person trying to "lord it over" you is being incredibly childish and the best thing to do is to NOT stoop to their level.

Ryzaki wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Then buy the PS3 version.
If a PS3 user wants to fully experience ME1, he needs to buy it for PC or 360.

I could kiss you right now. 

Seriously you think it is an acceptable solution that if I want to experience this comic I should go out and plonk £300 on a machine that I will never use just to experience the comic   Yeah right can I have some of what you guys are smoking.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 17 novembre 2010 - 03:57 .

[durasteel]

Lard wrote...

There's your answer right there. You want both while PS3 owners get stuck with a half-assed option, so you can lord it over us.

No dice. The comic is TO MAKE UP FOR the fact that PS3 owners ARE NOT GETTING MASS EFFECT 1.

YOU HAVE MASS EFFECT 1.

Discussion over.

You must be the most insecure, paranoid, and narcissistic person on this forum.  No one has any interest in "lording over" you.  Seriously - no one really cares enough about your little feelings to make lording it over you a priority.

Stop saying that the comic is to make up for something.  It isn't, and that argument is stupid.  The interactive comic is not in any way, shape, or form an apology for your hurt feelings.  It is a tool designed to enhance your experience in Mass Effect 2, that will be designed with a facade of comic book style art.  If this was designed to "make up for" something, it would have been released separately... but it isn't.  It is being packaged with Mass Effect 2, because it intended to help you get more out of Mass Effect 2.

Now, your first inclination at this point will be to say something stupid, like "it is only being made because we didn't get Mass Effect 1" or something.  You will be thinking that it would be a good idea to use your caps lock for emphasis, because it makes you feel better to virtually yell.  Control yourself, because this is a stupid argument for you to make.

While it is correct to say that the comic would possibly not be made if ME1 had been released for the PS3, that statement misses the point.  It is more correct to say that the comic would never be made if it were not for Mass Effect 2.  The comic is being made, in fact, to provide a means by which a customer can begin ME2 with an importable set of choices.  It is actually possible, or even probable, that BioWare would have gotten around to making something like this tool regardless of the decision to port the game to the PS3, but the port made the thing's development somewhat more urgent.

You cannot force a discussion to end by saying stupid and infantile things in all caps, no matter how much you might believe them to be true.  Your problem here is obvious: you feel like you were wronged in the past, and you want retribution, or at least vindication, for that insult.  You're obviously very emotional about the issue, and your angst is making you say nonsensical things.

Here is the truth: BioWare needed cash to pay for the development of Mass Effect.  Microsoft offered a "deal with the devil" arrangement, giving BioWare the money in exchange for the publishing rights that would allow it to ensure the platform exclusivity of the game.  The downside, of course, was that the PC version had to wait and the PS3 version could not be.  The up side, though, was that Mass Effect was developed with a fat budget that allowed BioWare to realize its vision for the game, producing one of the best games ever made.  It is really unfortunate that you cannot play the game on your platform of choice.  It's pretty cool, however, that you can play the game at all.  It is fifteen bucks on the EA store, and you can probably get it on sale through Steam for less, if you catch it at the right time.  Most reasonable current computers can handle it.

The Microsoft agreement might not have been ideal, and it certainly was not favorable to Sony's customers.  Still, no one then was trying to screw you over (other than Microsoft.)  Neither EA nor BioWare is trying to apologize to you now with this comic.  This is designed to enhance your enjoyment of Mass Effect 2, nothing more.  The fact that it is being made by BioWare and Dark Horse makes it very likely that the comic will be something that can be enjoyed in its own right, as well.  That's what we're all asking for, across all platforms - we want to enjoy the interactive comic, and also use it to enhance our enjoyment of Mass Effect 2.  Mass Effect 1 is not what this conversation is about... except to you.

I do genuinely wish that Mass Effect 1 had been released for the PS platform, and that ME2 had been released on the PS3 as a simultaneous release with the 360 and PC.  It wasn't.  If you can get over that fact, you will probably enjoy Mass Effect 2 quite a bit more.

None of the above contradicts, and most of the above directly supports, one clear fact: platform exclusives suck.

[Elite Midget]

Pretty sure Bioware made the Comic 'to' compensate PS3 Owners since they'll miss out on ME1 and the choices from ME1 without it. So yeah, it's kinda ment to do just that. Compensate for the lack of ME1. If it wasen't than Bioware wouldn't have bothered making it for PS3 owners. >_>



Platform Exclusives encourage sales, brand loyalty, and a constant flow of cash. They're needed to keep the Console Companies relevant and keep Gamers buying games on their system.