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[charmingcharlie]

Lard wrote...
Except people who play ME1 on the PC won't get the added bonus of having their choices come through in ME2, whichs renders that option absolutely pointless.

There should be absolute parity.

Well I would have thought it would be obvious by now you are not going to get "absolute parity" so there doesn't seem to be much point in banging on about it.  If the person is willing to play ME 1 on the PC then a PC that can run ME 1 will have no problem running ME 2 at the same quality.  So if it is of absolute complete importance that they MUST be able to bring their full ME 1 save game to ME 2 then the solution is simple, keep your Mass Effect experience on the PC.

hitorihanzo wrote...
Am I the only one that HATES cross-platform games? IMO, it defeats the purpose of buying one console as opposed to another. You bought the wrong system if you wanted to play ME as it was meant to be played. Want to experience the real deal? Get the correct system. If all games come out for all systems, then what's the point? Just my opinion and a little off-topic.

What makes the xbox 360 the console you are meant to play Mass Effect on then ?  After all my PC plays Mass Effect at native 1080p res and 60fps (and if the mood takes me I can shove 4 x AA on).  The answer is there is nothing special about the 360.  It got Mass Effect because of a crappy deal done between Bioware and Microsoft.  It could have easily gone the other way and it could have been Sony and their PS3 being the console to have the "meant to be played" rubbish with Mass Effect.

The correct system to play a game on is the one you feel comfortable with.  I keep seeing people going "oh we have to have exclusives to promote competition" erm why ?  Do you have to own 3 or 4 television sets, just to get all the channels ? Do you have to own 3 - 4 dvd players just so you can watch all the movies ?  No of course you don't, but for some reason people have been totally conned into thinking exclusives are key to the gaming industry.  If the gaming industry didn't have to squabble over exclusives you might find Sony and MS would have to compete using other things such as price, performance or even features.

Elite Midget wrote...
but are simply too lazy to play ME1 again to make their 50th Shepard.

Again with the insults I see, anyone that wants this comic is just "lazy".  The comic is a NEW way to experience the Mass Effect universe, I would like to experience that new way of seeing the universe.  You obviously can't understand that and just label anyone that wants this comic as "lazy".

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 17 novembre 2010 - 10:13 .

[durasteel]

I suppose "hardcore" differs from one person to the next. The PC offers a lot more opportunities to geek out over hardware upgrades and peripherals, while the consoles each offer a much more meta-gaming experience with gamerscores, unlockable trophies and tags and achievements and such.



Honestly, I'm not even hardcore enough to care much what hardcore is.

[Dust_King]

hitorihanzo wrote...

Am I the only one that HATES cross-platform games? IMO, it defeats the purpose of buying one console as opposed to another. You bought the wrong system if you wanted to play ME as it was meant to be played. Want to experience the real deal? Get the correct system. If all games come out for all systems, then what's the point? Just my opinion and a little off-topic.
 

platform exclusives-> Have to choose a platform over another->miss out on good games/ have to buy multiple consoles= Good?

I'm sorry, you think either missing out on good games or having to pay twice (or more) for consoles is a good thing? 

I don't know about you but the reason I bought a console was to play games on it, not to play just sony (or microsoft) games on it. I couldn't care less who else can play the game because they don't effect me in the slightest.

You do realise the whole "Console Wars" is basically a publicity stunt? You won't sell products by saying "yeah, they're all basically the same thing" You have to convince people they're different and that they made a good decision buying your product, which they do with exclusives. Exclusives are a marketing ploy to try and convince people that there is any major difference between platforms.

I mean don't get me wrong, exclusives are good and keep the market healthy. But cross-platform games are the reason there are so many successful independent developers out there. It is not a good decision to only sell your product to half the people who want it unless you have a really good reason for it.

Also "correct system"= 360 fanboy<_<

[durasteel]

Elite Midget wrote...

We've had ME1 for years and ME2 for years. I doubt we're getting any new Gamers for the 360/pc version. Even than they would be far better off actually playing the games than getting a handholding Comic. Thus the only ones who want the Comic are current gamers that have played the heck out of ME2 but are simply too lazy to play ME1 again to make their 50th Shepard.

I've made many Shepards and I don't want the Comic since I have the far better ME1 to immerse me in the ME Universe.

Besides, don't we already have the means to edit saves if you 'really' were that lazy?

What is it with you and this "lazy" thing?  Playing Mass Effect is what you do when you're too lazy to get some work done, clean up around the house, mow the lawn, exercise, etc.  It's a game.  You should play a game when you want to, and because you want to.  If you don't want to play the game again for the 50th time but you play it anyway, that doesn't make you "not lazy,"  it makes you an idiot.

I think it is safe to say that no one will ever make you use the comic to create a ME1 save.  Even on the PS3, you can always just use the default settings.  If you don't want to view or use the comic, you don't have to.  Why, then, is it worth your time to argue that those of us who do want it, either to enjoy it as a comic or use it as a ME1 save generator, shouldn't have it?

You're not even a PS3 owner, yet you argue that you yourself, along with the rest of us who have ME2 on the PC or 360, should not be able to get this interactive comic.  Are you just trolling the thread with an asinine contrarian position? 

[Ryzaki]

charmingcharlie wrote...
you a clever so and so [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie] I see what you did there, you tried to turn my argument against me, kudos to you except for one thing.  Last time I checked Mass Effect 1 is  available on the PC  now I think it is pretty  fair to assume most people have a PC (especially if they are posting on the forum).  The specs to play Mass Effect 1 are not that high.  It doesn't even specify you need a dual core to run the game.  At most they may need to do a minor upgrade to their GPU and a £60 GPU upgrade will easily get ME 1 running on a PC at better than console quality settings.

So if a PS3 user wants to play Mass Effect 1 then all they need is spend £60 on a GPU and £10 on a PC copy of Mass Effect 1.  If my maths is correct that comes to £70 that is quite different to me having to fork out £250 + £50 for the ability to experience a comic now isn't it.

No it's not. The average desktop has an intergrated graphics ship. And they wouldn't be able to port their game. So...no it's not even remotey the same.

Where is this whole all PCs can play games coming from? Most of the are not gaming compatible because those are usually the cheaper ones.

[charmingcharlie]

Ryzaki wrote...

No it's not. The average desktop has an intergrated graphics ship. And they wouldn't be able to port their game. So...no it's not even remotey the same.

Where is this whole all PCs can play games coming from? Most of the are not gaming compatible because those are usually the cheaper ones.

Yeah didn't read my post did you ?  I said :-

CharmingCharlie ......

At most they may need to do a minor upgrade to their GPU and a £60
GPU upgrade will easily get ME 1 running on a PC at better than console
quality settings.

Even if a PC has an integrated chipset it is highly unlikely that PC will not have a PCI-E slot.  So a simple and relatively cheap graphics card upgrade will enable a hell of a lot of people to play Mass Effect 1 at better than console quality.

As for porting their game, why would they want too ?  If they played Mass Effect 1 on the PC then nothing would stop them playing Mass Effect 2 on the same PC either.  If they have to have a save game that imports ALL choices then they can do that with the PC.  Alternatively they can choose to return back to gaming on the PS3 and choose the limited choices the comic presents.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 17 novembre 2010 - 10:49 .

[Ryzaki]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

No it's not. The average desktop has an intergrated graphics ship. And they wouldn't be able to port their game. So...no it's not even remotey the same.

Where is this whole all PCs can play games coming from? Most of the are not gaming compatible because those are usually the cheaper ones.

Yeah didn't read my post did you ?  I said :-

CharmingCharlie ......

At most they may need to do a minor upgrade to their GPU and a £60
GPU upgrade will easily get ME 1 running on a PC at better than console
quality settings.

Even if a PC has an integrated chipset it is highly unlikely that PC will not have a PCI-E slot.  So a simple and relatively cheap graphics card upgrade will enable a hell of a lot of people to play Mass Effect 1 at better than console quality.

And you forget about the power source? It's a hell of a lot more complicated than you're pretending. 

You can't just buy a random PCI-E card and shove it in there.

And people *do* use older computers you know. And they could have a laptop (particularly a netbook) which have to be customized for gaming beforehand.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 novembre 2010 - 10:52 .

[charmingcharlie]

Ryzaki wrote...
And you forget about the power source? It's a hell of a lot more complicated than you're pretending. 

No I am not forgetting "power source" the kind of upgrade you would need to get a bog standard PC running Mass Effect 1 at console settings does not need a 1000watt PSU.  Most graphics cards around the pricing and performance needed for ME 1 and 2 will easily work with the bog standard PSU available in off the shelf PC's these days.  You only run into problems if you try and shove a GTX 480 into your £299 Dell budget deal special.

Jesus of course you can buy a random PCI-E card and shove it in a PCI-E slot that is why they exist.  You only run into problems with power usage if you get too overly ambitious and shove a high end card in a low end system.  I am not talking about doing that.  A moderatly low end card will run Mass Effect 1 just fine, but incredibly cheap and will not require you to gut the whole machine.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 17 novembre 2010 - 10:53 .

[Ryzaki]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
And you forget about the power source? It's a hell of a lot more complicated than you're pretending. 

No I am not forgetting "power source" the kind of upgrade you would need to get a bog standard PC running Mass Effect 1 at console settings does not need a 1000watt PSU.  Most graphics cards around the pricing and performance needed for ME 1 and 2 will easily work with the bog standard PSU available in off the shelf PC's these days.  You only run into problems if you try and shove a GTX 480 into your £299 Dell budget deal special.

That would need them to have a newer computer to start with.

Most of my desktops are from 5 years ago! 

That also requires a knowledge of how to put the thing in. It's not simple at all.

Most people don't have 300 dollars to throw away on a newer desktop when the current one works just fine.

As for the high end card. You don't know these things first hand. You would either have to ask someone (who may or may not be helpful) or research it (which isn't a bad idea actually) but why do that when you can just buy a console and then put the game in and voila! It works. So thanks for proving my "it's not that simple" point for me.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 novembre 2010 - 10:58 .

[Lard]

charmingcharlie wrote...
Well I would have thought it would be obvious by now you are not going to get "absolute parity" so there doesn't seem to be much point in banging on about it.  If the person is willing to play ME 1 on the PC then a PC that can run ME 1 will have no problem running ME 2 at the same quality.  So if it is of absolute complete importance that they MUST be able to bring their full ME 1 save game to ME 2 then the solution is simple, keep your Mass Effect experience on the PC

Which just proves it's utterly pointless releasing this on the PS3 in the first place.

[charmingcharlie]

Ryzaki wrote...

That would need them to have a newer computer to start with.

Most of my desktops are from 5 years ago! 

That also requires a knowledge of how to put the thing in. It's not simple at all.

Most people don't have 300 dollars to throw away on a newer desktop when the current one works just fine.

As for the high end card. You don't know these things first hand. You would either have to ask someone (who may or may not be helpful) or research it (which isn't a bad idea actually) but why do that when you can just buy a console and then put the game in and voila! It works. So thanks for proving my "it's not that simple" point for me.

The PCI-E slot has been available in PC's since 2004, we are now in 2010.  If you are still using a 6 year old PC then I would say you are over due for a new PC anyway.  As for knowledge of putting a card in, it is not rocket science there are plenty of videos, tutorials and information on the net.  Alternatively many shops will do it for you for a small fee if you are terrified of doing that kind of thing.

Finally you say people don't have 300 dollars to throw away on a newer desktop when the current one works.  However you told me to go and buy a £300 console to read a comic (I assure you £300 is a hell of a lot more than $300).

As for not knowing how it works, I have been a PC gamer for 20 years and I have built every single gaming PC I have ever owned.  So yeah I think I have a slight idea about putting GPU's in machines and what is appropriate.

Lard wrote...

Which just proves it's utterly pointless releasing this on the PS3 in the first place.

Then why do you care whether PC/360 users get the comic or not ?

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 17 novembre 2010 - 11:03 .

[Ryzaki]

And thanks for proving my point that it's not simple Charlie.

Also why would I upgrade a computer if it does everything I need it to do? Upgrading unnecessarily is a waste of money that quite frankly could go somewhere more valuable.

And once again you *still* wouldn't be able to transfer saves unless you got a PC capable of running ME2 and ME3 as well. So...that whole "simple and cheap" only applies if it'll work for the whole series.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 novembre 2010 - 11:05 .

[charmingcharlie]

Ryzaki wrote...

And thanks for proving my point that it's not simple Charlie.

How is it not simple to go into a computer shop and go "hey guys I want a better GPU in my PC" ?  You are just arguing for the sake of arguing now.  Most computer shops will happily do an upgrade for you for a nominal fee which will still work out a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a new console which is what you suggested I do.

[Ryzaki]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And thanks for proving my point that it's not simple Charlie.

How is it not simple to go into a computer shop and go "hey guys I want a better GPU in my PC" ?  You are just arguing for the sake of arguing now.  Most computer shops will happily do an upgrade for you for a nominal fee which will still work out a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a new console which is what you suggested I do.

So that card will work on ME2 and ME3 on medium settings? Because that's exactly what buying the console would achieve.

It's not simple because that nomnial fee very often is nominal at all. And cheaper? You can get a used console for about 150dollars easily. So unless that card can play ME2 and ME3 all on mid settings (I assume this is what the console plays on?) it's not equal in the least.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 novembre 2010 - 11:07 .

[Skilled Seeker]

hitorihanzo wrote...

. If all games come out for all systems, then what's the point

You would be able to buy consoles soley for the actual performance of the hardware, pricing and features. Meaning all round better consoles would outshine weaker ones leading to increased competition to create the best console possible. They would occupy different niches as the stronger the console the greater the cost.

So it would certainly be a good thing for gamers, since console quality would be better and everyone would be able to experience the games. For example the 360 would have been doomed early on because of the RROD but people were forced to buy it if they wanted to play certain games because Microsoft snapped them up with their unlimited funds.

See it like PCs really. You don't get games exclusive to certain graphics cards. That doesn't mean everyone buys the same graphics card.

The only legitimate exclusives are if the game requires certain controls that are not available on all platforms. Like a mouse and keyboard or a Wii mote.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 17 novembre 2010 - 11:28 .

[charmingcharlie]

Ryzaki wrote...

So that card will work on ME2 and ME3 on medium settings? Because that's exactly what buying the console would achieve.

It's not simple because that nomnial fee very often is nominal at all. And cheaper? You can get a used console for about 150dollars easily. So unless that card can play ME2 and ME3 all on mid settings (I assume this is what the console plays on?) it's not equal in the least.

A graphics card around £100 (or less) will easily handle ME 1 and ME 2 at high settings at a res of 1280 x 720 and you will get 30fps (plus all modern GPU's come with the ability to connect them to a HDTV).  Unless Bioware seriously screw ME 3 up then I think it is safe to say ME 3 will be playable at the same settings as ME 1 and ME 2.  You do not need an "uber" PC to play Mass Effect 2 at console quality.

Now I personally don't think it is fair that some one should have to play Mass Effect 1 on the PC if they don't want too.  However I equally don't think it is fair that if I want to read the comic I should have to go out and buy a £300 console (I don't do second hand especially after I have heard how "reliable" these consoles are).

But if you are going to tell me that it is acceptable I should be expected to buy a console to read the comic then I think it is equally acceptable to expect those that think the comic is crap and they should get ME 1 on the PS3 should go out and upgrade their PC.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 18 novembre 2010 - 12:07 .

[Dust_King]

This is just me but I agree, not everyone can easily afford to have a pc capable of running mass effect, myself included. I'm a student with little disposable income, I own a laptop for work and some old games (not nearly good enough for mass effect and un-upgradable). I own a PS3 for gaming because it doesn't require costly upgrades and little maintenance. 

I'm not willing to spend upwards of 5 weeks spending money in order to play a single game which I may or may not like.

So simply put unless it comes out on PS3 then I can't afford to play it and I know I'm not the only one.

[charmingcharlie]

Dust_King wrote...
I'm not willing to spend upwards of 5 weeks spending money in order to play a single game which I may or may not like.

So simply put unless it comes out on PS3 then I can't afford to play it and I know I'm not the only one.

I am not disputing that Dust_King nor would I recommend it either but at the end of the day we have Dave of Canada and Ryzaki telling me that if I want to experience the comic I should go out and pay £300 for a console.  So if I am expected to pay £300 to read a comic is it not reasonable to suggest that PS3 users should either upgrade their PC or buy an Xbox to play Mass Effect 1 ?

I don't think it is acceptable that someone should say to me "go buy a PS3 if you want to experience the comic" equally it isn't acceptable to tell PS3 users to "go and buy an xbox or upgrade your PC if you want to experience ME 1" but that seems to be the thinking from some on here.

If anything you are exactly the customer that Bioware are targetting, they want PS3 users that have never had the opportunity to experience Mass Effect to now experience the game. There is nothing that can be done about ME 1 on the PS3 and that is a terrible situation but equally there is no sane reason to make the comic exclusive to the PS3 and I see you share that view which is good to see.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 18 novembre 2010 - 12:33 .

[Ryzaki]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

So that card will work on ME2 and ME3 on medium settings? Because that's exactly what buying the console would achieve.

It's not simple because that nomnial fee very often is nominal at all. And cheaper? You can get a used console for about 150dollars easily. So unless that card can play ME2 and ME3 all on mid settings (I assume this is what the console plays on?) it's not equal in the least.

A graphics card around £100 (or less) will easily handle ME 1 and ME 2 at high settings at a res of 1280 x 720 and you will get 30fps (plus all modern GPU's come with the ability to connect them to a HDTV).  Unless Bioware seriously screw ME 3 up then I think it is safe to say ME 3 will be playable at the same settings as ME 1 and ME 2.  You do not need an "uber" PC to play Mass Effect 2 at console quality.

Now I personally don't think it is fair that some one should have to play Mass Effect 1 on the PC if they don't want too.  However I equally don't think it is fair that if I want to read the comic I should have to go out and buy a £300 console (I don't do second hand especially after I have heard how "reliable" these consoles are).

But if you are going to tell me that it is acceptable I should be expected to buy a console to read the comic then I think it is equally acceptable to expect those that think the comic is crap and they should get ME 1 on the PS3 should go out and upgrade their PC.

Okay then fair is fair. They already can't play ME1 unless they get a PC or buy an Xbox now you just have to buy a PS3 to get the comic.

There already is console exclusivity pretending that it isn't there isn't going to make it go away.

...The only "unreliable" console would be the 360 with its ridculous failure rates. The PS3 was fine. Very few models (as they should've) malfunctioned. (Just like with some PCs).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 novembre 2010 - 01:38 .

[Dust_King]

Ah, that makes sense then. I've just assumed that the comic will be coming to other platforms since they phrased the announcement as "initially exclusive". I can't interpret that any other way that the comic coming out on the other platforms soon after release. 
To be honest I think Bioware is handling this very well. Especially since this is a thorny issue and (as we've seen in this thread) there are massive perceptions of entitlement (360 losing a exclusive franchise, the 'free DLC' perception, the comic, PS3 not getting ME1).
I reckon by about March at the latest we'll have heard the last of this, the next step in the franchise will be just around the corner and this will be forgotten.

Still I laugh at the first few pages of the thread where you have people announcing they'll never buy another bioware game because of this:P

[charmingcharlie]

Ryzaki wrote...

There already is console exclusivity pretending that it isn't there isn't going to make it go away.

...The only "unreliable" console would be the 360 with its ridculous failure rates. The PS3 was fine. Very few models (as they should've) malfunctioned. (Just like with some PCs).

I don't think anyone is pretending the console exclusivity isn't there.  I think it is a case of "there is sod all we can do about it so why give it any more attention".  I know from my own view point if I was a PS3 user I would be seriously asking myself whether I wanted to reward Bioware for shafting me like they did.  Obviously they didn't want PS3 users money 3 years ago but now they do ?

Now thankfully Bioware has fans like Dust_King on the PS3 that are willing to forgive Bioware for what they have done with Mass Effect 1 on the PS3 and it is a credit to them that they are still willing to support and reward Bioware.  It is easy to be a "fan" of a company when they are getting things right and treating you right, it is another matter when the company is treating you wrong and you are still a fan.  So I take my virtual hat off to PS3 users that have to put up with this exclusivity crap.

As for console reliability, lets just say neither console exactly excites me with their technical prowess or stability.  Besides if something goes wrong with my PC I have the tech ability to fix it faster than Garrus can complete his calibrations [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

Dust_King wrote...

Ah, that makes sense then. I've just assumed that the comic will be coming to other platforms since they phrased the announcement as "initially exclusive". I can't interpret that any other way that the comic coming out on the other platforms soon after release.

If you are looking for an alternative explanation to the "initial release will be exclusive to PS3 owners" it could simply mean the comic will be released in paperback form later on.  I would say that makes just as much sense considering Dark Horse are primarily a paper publisher.  Until we actually see the comic make an appearance on the PC/360 I don't like to count my chickens till they are hatched so to speak.

It is quite funny really I would've thought PS3 users would have an issue with the fact this interactive comic is not being released on the Blu-ray disc.  If you read the press release it looks like the comic is going to be download only which means any 2nd hand purchasers will not have access to the comic unless they pay more money.

Dust_King wrote...
Still I laugh at the first few pages of the thread where you have people announcing they'll never buy another bioware game because of this:P

I am still uncertain about what I will be doing with regards to Mass Effect 3, the comic certainly isn't enough to warrant me not buying Mass Effect 3.  However there have been several other issues with Bioware (PC related) that I am not happy with.  I don't consider myself a "fan" of Bioware, I consider myself a customer of theirs and in my view they are neglecting my custom (again with regards to the PC related issues).

Anyway time will tell, I have probably spent way too much time in this topic now and I am just repeating stuff I have already said dozens of times.  Hope the PS3 guys enjoy Mass Effect 2 and if you get any flack from the PC/360 users just ignore them any one willing to try and prove superiority over a game just isn't worth bothering with.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 18 novembre 2010 - 03:11 .

[Lard]

charmingcharlie wrote...
I don't think it is acceptable that someone should say to me "go buy a PS3 if you want to experience the comic" equally it isn't acceptable to tell PS3 users to "go and buy an xbox or upgrade your PC if you want to experience ME 1" but that seems to be the thinking from some on here.

Notably you, because those were your exact words. You seem to have no problem with things as long you're the only one not put out.

charmingcharlie wrote...
Now thankfully Bioware has fans like
Dust_King on the PS3 that are willing to forgive Bioware for what they
have done with Mass Effect 1 on the PS3 and it is a credit to them that
they are still willing to support and reward Bioware. 

Bioware deserve no support at all for deliberately excluding people from playing their games.

Modifié par Lard, 18 novembre 2010 - 03:21 .

[charmingcharlie]

Lard wrote...
Notably you, because those were your exact words. You seem to have no problem with things as long you're the only one not put out.

Oh do keep up Lard, I said it AFTER it had been said to me.   I don't actually believe any one should have to buy specific hardware to play a specific game.  However if someone is going to tell me to do that then I will reply in kind.

Lard wrote...
Bioware deserve no support at all for deliberately excluding people from playing their games.

Then DON'T support Bioware, you clearly are not happy that the PS3 will not get ME 1 and I agree with you that is unfair.  However you seem to be quite eager that PC/360 users miss out on content as long as it is exclusive to the PS3.  That comes across as a tad hypocritcal to me.

[Lard]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Lard wrote...
Notably you, because those were your exact words. You seem to have no problem with things as long you're the only one not put out.

Oh do keep up Lard, I said it AFTER it had been said to me.   I don't actually believe any one should have to buy specific hardware to play a specific game.  However if someone is going to tell me to do that then I will reply in kind.

Lard wrote...
Bioware deserve no support at all for deliberately excluding people from playing their games.

Then DON'T support Bioware, you clearly are not happy that the PS3 will not get ME 1 and I agree with you that is unfair.  However you seem to be quite eager that PC/360 users miss out on content as long as it is exclusive to the PS3.  That comes across as a tad hypocritcal to me.

No more hypocritical than saying it's okay for the 360 users to get everything but not the PS3 users.

[Love Nothing]

Oh wow. Everyone's still going strong.



All these arguments certainly have their good points and their flaws, but just humor me for a moment.



Before this comic was even mentioned, what was the whole point of letting you import saves?

It was Bioware pretty much telling ME2 owners:

"You supported our work by playing ME1? Then we're going to give you a richer experience with more options to explore" -or-

"You didn't support us by playing ME1? We're still giving you an amazing game, but if you're a perfectionist you'd do well to go and buy ME1"

Aristotle said it best: "The whole is more than the sum of its parts"



If Bioware were to release a save-game-generator it would do some serious harm to this formula. Something like that would give users all of the benefits without paying any of the consequences. New users specifically worry me the most. So if this comic were to be release on platforms where ME1 was already available it could potentially do as much harm as our would-be save-game-generator.