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[scarface71795]

10 Steps Back wrote...

scarface71795 wrote...


I partially agree with him
It is a new game for PS3 users
They had no idea they were going to get it so there was no wait
I  bought all the DLC Within a month of them going out but because they had to wait. They get it for free when they didn't even know they were waiting?
Thats like standing in line for a pizza and wanting your pizza cheaper than the guy in front because you had to wait longer than he did
Also the content they are getting is worth over $20 itself.
I am all for them getting the game but everyone should be treated equally 

lol If I had to wait a year longer for that pizza damn straight I'd want it cheaper.

Fun Fact: Neither PS3 users, Xbox 360 users, nor PC users are being treated equally.

Other fact, the fact that they had no idea it was coming to them is debatable because of two reasons. EA and the fact that everytime asked about a PS3 version Bioware never fully denied it.

But did they actively wait for it?
Also how are we not being treated equally?

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

*facedesks at the inept people still ranting about the PS3 version*

Am sorry, but are you really this dense?

Need some help with the calculations...

Ok... Sir Ulrich's guide to getting ME2 on the 360 from Gamestop at this present time. Note I said 'present time' the price could still drop further by next month. Games have a habit of doing that, particularly in the January sales (new ones don't though, often).
Linky to Search page where I got the below prices from Gamestop
Mass Effect 2 (360) $19.98
Mass Effect 2 (PS3) $59.99

Now... let's look at the amazing DLC prices currently on the Bioware site.

Overlord 560 MS points
Lair Of The Shadow Broker 800 MS points
Aegis Pack 160 MS points
Kasumi 560 MS points
Firepower Pack 160 MS points (listed this one in case it is in there)
Alternate Appearance Pack 160 MS points (again listed just in case it is)
Recon Ops Pack (Have a hunch this is the Dr Pepper Codes items, so however much it costs for 3 cans of Dr Pepper)

So in total, we're looking at most 2400 MS points, which if am lead to believe right would be $30 (unless the wiki page about microsoft points that I just looked at is wrong, 80pts/$ right?)

So let's do the math... ME2 + all paid DLC on 360 (minus the 360 avatar stuff, which obviously pointless to PS3 and most likely PS3 versions will be a PSN payment thing).

$19.98 + $30 = $49.98
Compared to the $59.99 that PS3 owners will be paying.
Erm... what were you guys saying about PS3 owners getting DLC free?

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 11 décembre 2010 - 04:06 .

[Sparda Stonerule]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

*facedesks at the inept people still ranting about the PS3 version*

Am sorry, but are you really this dense?

Need some help with the calculations...

Ok... Sir Ulrich's guide to getting ME2 on the 360 from Gamestop at this present time. Note I said 'present time' the price could still drop further by next month. Games have a habit of doing that, particularly in the January sales (new ones don't though, often).
Linky to Search page where I got the below prices from Gamestop
Mass Effect 2 (360) $19.98
Mass Effect 2 (PS3) $59.99

Now... let's look at the amazing DLC prices currently on the Bioware site.

Overlord 560 MS points
Lair Of The Shadow Broker 800 MS points
Aegis Pack 160 MS points
Kasumi 560 MS points
Firepower Pack 160 MS points (listed this one in case it is in there)
Alternate Appearance Pack 160 MS points (again listed just in case it is)
Recon Ops Pack (Have a hunch this is the Dr Pepper Codes items, so however much it costs for 3 cans of Dr Pepper)

So in total, we're looking at most 2400 MS points, which if am lead to believe right would be $30 (unless the wiki page about microsoft points that I just looked at is wrong, 80pts/$ right?)

So let's do the math... ME2 + all paid DLC on 360 (minus the 360 avatar stuff, which obviously pointless to PS3 and most likely PS3 versions will be a PSN payment thing).

$19.98 + $30 = $49.98
Compared to the $59.99 that PS3 owners will be paying.
Erm... what were you guys saying about PS3 owners getting DLC free?

*laughs* People don't READ on these forums, they react. I mean if there are 1 thousand people on these forums there will be 2 thousand opinions.

Either way I guess they are just complaining about buying a game for 60 bucks, then paying 30 bucks more for DLC while this version comes a year later so they feel like they wasted 30 bucks.

However this is what we like to call value depreciation which is nothing new or unexpected. I guess this is all EA's fault for money grabbing and just blatantly wanting to ****** everyone off. Oh god I hope my sarcasm was noticeable in that last sentence.

[10 Steps Back]

scarface71795 wrote...

10 Steps Back wrote...

scarface71795 wrote...


I partially agree with him
It is a new game for PS3 users
They had no idea they were going to get it so there was no wait
I  bought all the DLC Within a month of them going out but because they had to wait. They get it for free when they didn't even know they were waiting?
Thats like standing in line for a pizza and wanting your pizza cheaper than the guy in front because you had to wait longer than he did
Also the content they are getting is worth over $20 itself.
I am all for them getting the game but everyone should be treated equally 

lol If I had to wait a year longer for that pizza damn straight I'd want it cheaper.

Fun Fact: Neither PS3 users, Xbox 360 users, nor PC users are being treated equally.

Other fact, the fact that they had no idea it was coming to them is debatable because of two reasons. EA and the fact that everytime asked about a PS3 version Bioware never fully denied it.

But did they actively wait for it?
Also how are we not being treated equally?

N4G people did... Damn it how come there's no sarcastic hysterical laughter smiley.

PS3 owners settle for a comic and will not get ME1 yes the comic would get major choices but there's a flaw in that they won't feel the same impact from the dialogue trees and character interaction of the first. It's unequal through unintentional reasons.

360 and PC gamers are being treated unequally through what you are agreeing to. The whole they didn't actively wait thing and a few others I'm too lazy to point out.

And while I'm here I demand you change the pizza analogy stale pizza should be way cheaper than fresh pizza ... Damn brings back memories of when I was short on cash and had to settle for stale pizza not fun.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Bah, nothing wrong with stale pizza. It's a great morning snack after the night before when you ate most of the other slices nice and juicely warm.

@sparda, that last sentence oozed so much that I felt like Slimer had just slimed me

As for the comic, meh, yeah they won't get the overall epicness the game cut-scenes give (though I am intrigued as to how the 'choices' will be made). But I am looking forward to seeing how the story is done in comic form. Specially with fact of seeing the choices, it'll be like reading one of those 'Choose your own Adventure' books that they did when I was a kid (dunno if they still do) only... in comic form

One of the other things I am curious about is that I am going to guess that at the start of the comic players will get to choose Shepard's sex, class and background profile history (Earthborn/Spacer/Colonist and War Hero/Sole Survivor/Ruthless), but I imagine that as far as Shepard's look in the comic it'll just be defaults surely? Can't see them having a CC in the comic.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 11 décembre 2010 - 05:33 .

[charmingcharlie]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

$19.98 + $30 = $49.98
Compared to the $59.99 that PS3 owners will be paying.
Erm... what were you guys saying about PS3 owners getting DLC free?

if you are going to do a price comparison then you should add the cost of Mass Effect 1 to the xbox 360.  The PS3 version is coming with a comic that will allow people to tailor ME 2 to their choices but the PC/360 version does not have that so in order for them to tailor the choices you need a copy of ME 1 which is about $10 and that would take the Xbox 360 version up to the same price as the PS3 version.

[Sparda Stonerule]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

$19.98 + $30 = $49.98
Compared to the $59.99 that PS3 owners will be paying.
Erm... what were you guys saying about PS3 owners getting DLC free?

if you are going to do a price comparison then you should add the cost of Mass Effect 1 to the xbox 360.  The PS3 version is coming with a comic that will allow people to tailor ME 2 to their choices but the PC/360 version does not have that so in order for them to tailor the choices you need a copy of ME 1 which is about $10 and that would take the Xbox 360 version up to the same price as the PS3 version.

However that is mere speculation. Just like my next sentence will be, ready? It's entirely possible we'll receive the comic as well through the Cerberus Network for free. How's that for spicy speculation for ya.

[charmingcharlie]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

However that is mere speculation. Just like my next sentence will be, ready? It's entirely possible we'll receive the comic as well through the Cerberus Network for free. How's that for spicy speculation for ya.

I am not quite sure I follow you, which bit of my post was "speculation" ?  We have already been told the comic will be interactive and allow you to make choices.  The only thing we haven't been told is how big and how many choices you will be able to make.  At any rate being able to alter some of the things in ME 2 is a hell of a lot better than the god awful default decisions Bioware choose to inflict on PC/360 users that had never played ME 1.

So if you are going to do a price comparison between the versions I think it is only fair you include the cost of Mass Effect 1 and by doing that the price comes out about the same for all platforms (except the PC version which is lower due to there being no console royalties).

As for PC/360 users and them getting the comic, dream on if you think it will be for free.  Assuming we even get the comic (and there is no proof other than a vague response from Jesse) I think it is safe to say it will not be free.  After all some one has to pay for all this artwork and hell why not milk the PC/360 audience that little bit more.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

$19.98 + $30 = $49.98
Compared to the $59.99 that PS3 owners will be paying.
Erm... what were you guys saying about PS3 owners getting DLC free?

if you are going to do a price comparison then you should add the cost of Mass Effect 1 to the xbox 360.  The PS3 version is coming with a comic that will allow people to tailor ME 2 to their choices but the PC/360 version does not have that so in order for them to tailor the choices you need a copy of ME 1 which is about $10 and that would take the Xbox 360 version up to the same price as the PS3 version.

Despite the obvious point Sparda has raised (go look at Jesse Houstons opening post, he basically stated that the comic was initially exclusive, not just 'exclusive'.) I am going to guess considering you've pointed out that with ME it's still the same price as the PS3 version that it would still mean that the PS3 version isn't getting the DLC for free.

It is basically getting it at the same price it would cost for a 360 customer to go out right now and buy 'Mass Effect', 'Mass Effect 2' and the main bulk of the DLC that costs money (as well as the freebies).

Good, glad we got that cleared up. Maybe now we won't get people making silly posts about this mysterious 'free' stuff the PS3 version is getting.

Edit: As for your last post, your right it most likely won't be free, probably be oooh 800pts... which yes I know, amounts to $10 but then your forgetting that... you got ME as well. So you can't try to claim that it means PS3 is getting anything for free. Because they aren't getting ME and thus ME gets swapped for the comic in the price comparison (and making it properly comparable in 'content' seeing as I doubt the comic is going to have everything ME had)

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 11 décembre 2010 - 08:26 .

[charmingcharlie]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
Despite the obvious point Sparda has raised (go look at Jesse Houstons opening post, he basically stated that the comic was initially exclusive, not just 'exclusive'.)

We do not know what Jesse means when he says "initially exclusive", as I keep trying to tell people but no they just assume it means that it will come to the PC/360.  It could equally mean that the interactive comic is exclusive to the PS3 and later on it will be released as a printed comic book series.  The fact is we do not know what Jesse means and it is stupid to just "assume" we think we know what he means.

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

I am going to guess considering you've pointed out that with ME it's still the same price as the PS3 version that it would still mean that the PS3 version isn't getting the DLC for free.

Currently all versions are the same price that is CURRENTLY, but what about 2 months from now ?  you know when EA gets scared and drops the price of the PS3 version down to 30 bucks but PC/360 users will still be paying $20 + $30 + $10 ?

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
Good, glad we got that cleared up. Maybe now we won't get people making silly posts about this mysterious 'free' stuff the PS3 version is getting.

Yeah like that will stop people, just like we can't stop people trying to show  how PS3 gamers are being ripped off or some how exploited 

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 11 décembre 2010 - 08:29 .

[Dust_King]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

$19.98 + $30 = $49.98
Compared to the $59.99 that PS3 owners will be paying.
Erm... what were you guys saying about PS3 owners getting DLC free?

if you are going to do a price comparison then you should add the cost of Mass Effect 1 to the xbox 360.  The PS3 version is coming with a comic that will allow people to tailor ME 2 to their choices but the PC/360 version does not have that so in order for them to tailor the choices you need a copy of ME 1 which is about $10 and that would take the Xbox 360 version up to the same price as the PS3 version.

Well if you want to add ME in to the equation then PS3 is definitely getting the short stick.

360 owners have the option of $20 for just the game, $50 for the game + DLC or $60 for two games and the DLC for ME2. So for the same price you get 30+ hours of additional content, remember the fuss when people thought the ps3 was getting 6 hours of extra content.

PS3 owners are down an entire game and some people still think they are getting treated better than everyone else, really?

[PHub88]

Yeah, good point...They are not getting anything for free...but only if you look at it in a way that ignores the fact all of us here already bought it for $60 about a year ago....Uhm they are still getting all of the DLC and the full game for that price...but if someone went out right now to get it used and buy the DLC it would be $10 less somehow proves a point? We already have the game that we paid for $60..to bring up the price of the 360 version at THIS point in time is pointless in this argument...because nobody who hasnt already bought the game would even care about the PS3 version coming out because they never had the game in the first place

[Sparda Stonerule]

Yes I do think we've cleared that up. Unfortunately though I doubt that'll stop anyone from posting silly comments about price comparisons. I don't actually think we'll get the comic for free, but I do believe we'll get it. In fact that would be an ingenious way to fix the Conrad Verner and news report glitches that came from the importing bug. God I must be dreaming if I think every choice that tranfsers would be added.

[Dust_King]

Well you seem to care quite strongly about it coming out... Maybe you should just let it go?

Games drop in value, it's a well established fact. What you paid for a game one year ago has no effect on what someone should pay for it today. If you're annoyed at PS3 owners getting the game+DLC for $60 (paying for a package, nothing's free) when you paid more then why aren't you annoyed that someone can go out and buy the 360 version today at a even lower price.

It's wrong for someone to pay $30 less for a product than what you paid, but it's ok for a different person to get the same thing for $40 less than you paid if they get it on 360.

Paying more for a 'new' game is a flawed argument as the game's either new to everyone who hasn't played it (including people buying it on 360 for the first time) or it's a year old game which has had a expected drop in price.

Also I'd like to ask what you think would be fair? The game being sold for $90 in stores? Cutting the content from the disk (Preventing people like me with crap internet connections from playing it)?

The world isn't fair, but of all the options the release with the DLC on disk seems to be the closest anyone will get to fair.

@charmingcharlie: Now your just complaining about speculation. there's every chance that a ultimate edition will be released before that starts happening. How about you wait until we actually know what's happening before we decide what will and won't be unfair in 6-8 months time?

[charmingcharlie]

Dust_King wrote...

Well if you want to add ME in to the equation then PS3 is definitely getting the short stick.

This isn't about who is getting the short end of the stick.  If you are going to do a price comparison between the different products then you should include the cost of ME 1 into the equation.  If you do that the pricing comes out about the same.

Dust_King wrote...

PS3 owners are down an entire game and some people still think they are getting treated better than everyone else, really?

I don't want to get into a debate on who is being treated better than whom.  As far as I can see Bioware and EA are screwing PC, PS3 and 360 users over.  However I will say I really wish it was possible for PS3 users to get Mass Effect 1 if for no other reason than to get them to shut up about them not getting Mass Effect 1 ....... yes we get it. 

You are however getting one hell of a deal on Mass Effect 2 with all the Mass Effect 2 content being included, content that people on here have paid nearly TWICE what you are being asked to pay.  However from some posts on here that still isn't good enough though.

[Sparda Stonerule]

Because the companies really do just want to screw everyone over right? Also yes it's a good deal but it's a comparable deal to someone who would be buying ME 2 for the first time right now on the 360 or PC. I don't get the whole, oh this is what I payed a year ago, why don't they have to pay the same? thing. I mean I bought it day 1 and I purchased every DLC and I do not feel ripped off even in the slightest. I payed for a game right away. I could have waited, but I didn't want to. As such I fully expected the price to drop and for some people to get the same product for a lower price. That's how price depreciation works and I don't mind it at all.

[Dust_King]

I'll agree that no one seems to be happy with what they got, but I do not see how someone buying the game for the first time on PS3 and having to pay $10 more than someone buying the game for the first time on 360 means that the PS3 owner is getting unfair favouritism.

charmingcharlie wrote...

Dust_King wrote...

Well if you want to add ME in to the equation then PS3 is definitely getting the short stick.

This isn't about who is getting the short end of the stick.  If you are going to do a price comparison between the different products then you should include the cost of ME 1 into the equation.  If you do that the pricing comes out about the same.

My point was if you do add the price of ME to the 360 version then you should also add the content they get from it. So for the same price 360 owners would be able to get a extra 30 hours of content. even if the prices are the same the value for money is very different. The PS3 owners are still either paying more or getting less for the equivalent price

[charmingcharlie]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

Because the companies really do just want to screw everyone over right?

Yes it's called business they want to make as much money out of people as possible. That is why they are charging PC gamers $60 for Mass Effect 3 even though there is no console royalty fee on the PC.

Sparda Stonerule wrote...    Also yes it's a good deal but it's a comparable deal to someone who would be buying ME 2 for the first time right now on the 360 or PC.

Which was my point, I merely pointed out that some of the price comparisons on here were wrong because it painted a picture that PS3 users were still paying more than 360 users.  If you include the cost of ME 1 then that clearly isn't the case.

Sparda Stonerule wrote... I don't get the whole, oh this is what I payed a year ago, why don't they have to pay the same? thing. I mean I bought it day 1 and I purchased every DLC and I do not feel ripped off even in the slightest.

Some of the content being given to PS3 users isn't even 6 months old plus they are being given content that is NOT available to PC/360 users plus they have been promised exclusive content that although is technically available for PC/360 users is actually next to impossible for them to get.  Yet for some this still does not appear to be enough.

I am not saying I feel "ripped" off, all I am saying is PS3 users are getting one hell of a deal but that still doesn't appear to be good enough and some have to paint a picture that PS3 users are being treated shamefully.

Dust_King wrote...
I'll agree that no one seems to be happy with what they got, but I do not see how someone buying the game
for the first time on PS3 and having to pay $10 more than someone buying the game for the first time on 360 means that the PS3 owner is getting unfair favouritism.
 

Because you are getting a feature that is NOT available to someone buying Mass Effect 2 on the PC/360.  If someone buys the PC/360 version they are stuck with the default decisions in the game which are quite frankly ****.  They are that bad that an extra $10 is more than worth it to avoid the truly god awful default decisions.  The PS3 version comes with a way to alter the decisions the 360 version does not.

Truthfully it is silly to compare the different versions because there is going to be an inequality there no matter what, yet some on here just can't resist trying to bend things to their way of thinking be it "PS3 users being hard done by" or "360 users being hard done by".

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 11 décembre 2010 - 09:16 .

[Dust_King]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Because you are getting a feature that is NOT available to someone buying Mass Effect 2 on the PC/360.  If someone buys the PC/360 version they are stuck with the default decisions in the game which are quite frankly ****.  They are that bad that an extra $10 is more than worth it to avoid the truly god awful default decisions.  The PS3 version comes with a way to alter the decisions the 360 version does not.

But when it comes down to it a 30 hour game is still far better value than a interactive comic. Yes they are meant to be equivalents, but that does not make then equal. So one versions cost includes a comic, the others includes a full priced game. I know which one I'd prefer by far and I know which one is far better value for money.

My point is if you include the price of ME in the 360 version than you must also include what you get for that, and it's a hell of a lot more than a save game generator. 

[Sparda Stonerule]

Besides the "initially exclusive" comic what exclusive content could you possibly be referring to?

[charmingcharlie]

Dust_King wrote...
My point is if you include the price of ME in the 360 version than you must also include what you get for that, and
it's a hell of a lot more than a save game generator. 

Ok then don't include the price of Mass Effect 1 then lets just look at  Mass Effect 2 it is cheaper on the 360 but you get more features in the PS3 version.  There you go that is the explanation for the price difference.  Someone buying the 360 version has no choice but to put up with the default story line since there is no OFFICIAL way to change the decisions.  The PS3 version of Mass Effect 2 comes with a comic that enables you to change the decisions in the game so that is why the PS3 version is $10 more, because there is more to it.

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

Besides the "initially exclusive" comic what exclusive content could you possibly be referring to?

Hm I guess it is my turn to say "read Jesse's post", he clearly says :-

There will also be some DLC Bundles, such as the Aegis Pack as well as exclusive both Free and Paid DLC for all PlayStation 3 owners such as the Recon Operations Pack.   
Edit:
While I can't go into details all of this content is or was available to Xbox/PC Owners but otherwise wouldn't be available to PS3 owners. More details about this will be released later.

It has been speculated that the Dr Pepper stuff will be an exclusive pack for PS3 users.  You know the items that you could only get if you lived in America.  So whilst technically the content was available on the 360/PC the majority never had access to it because they didn't live in America.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 11 décembre 2010 - 09:56 .

[Sparda Stonerule]

Speculations rule the day then I suppose.

[charmingcharlie]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

Speculations rule the day then I suppose.

Nope just statements from Jesse where he says :-

as well as exclusive both Free and Paid DLC for all PlayStation 3 owners such as the Recon Operations Pack

Now am I speculating when I read that as Jesse saying there will be exclusive both free and paid DLC for all Playstation 3 owners ?

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 11 décembre 2010 - 10:16 .

[Sparda Stonerule]

No you are just speculating as to what that stuff will be. I read it, and as far as I can infer it'll be stuff that we already have access to. How do you know the Recon pack isn't just a combo of the weapon and armor packs out on the existing versions? Oh right because the forums speculated on the contents of the Recon Operations pack so you clearly know what it contains.