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[Noctis2.0]

By giving their system more advanced and difficult hardware, they effectively created a firewall that keeps out most ****ty developers. The difficulty and cost associated with such a system forces developers to create a game that will sell with gamers to cover the money spent in development, and the best way to make a game sell is increase quality. While the PS3 still gets it's piece of shovelware, do consider the difference in the amount of shovelware between the PS3, Xbox 360, and Wii. The difference is stunning. The Wii is almost entirely shovelware, and the Xbox 360 isn't too much better. The PS3, however, has a much lower percentage of shovelware titles.



Sony also saw an evolution in hardware. In a Central Processing Unit, there are two important aspects: the number of cores and speed. Speed is simple, it's how fast the CPU can process data. Cores are a bit more complicated. They can be thought of like arms. The more arms you have, the more multi-tasking you can do, however you can also be a bit more clumsy if you don't use them right. Splitting jobs and functions between these arms is called multi-threading. The downside is that, if not specifically designed as multi-threaded, the programs end up only using one core, rendering the others useless.



The Wii utilizes a CPU that doesn't even have standard cores, it's either 1 or 2, no one's sure, and only runs at 729 MHz (Pretty slow). The Xbox 360 contains a CPU with three cores clocked at 3.2 GHz. My own personal computer has FOUR cores clocked a 3.7 GHz. The PS3? The PS3 Features microprocessor are essentially just small, albeit more expensive, CPUs that have slightly more functionality. The PS3 features six microprocessors, running at 3.2 GHz. Basically twice the processing power of a 360. Besides those six, two more microprocessors are also featured on the device, but are reserved by Sony for use on the operating system. I can't imagine Sony NOT opening up those two extra processors for use by developers within the next two or three years.



While hardware has improved to the point of have four, eight, or on rare occasions even sixteen cores, the software and developers have yet to catch up. A lot of companies have expressed anger over the difficulty in getting this system to work. Many companies are using outdated software and engines. The Source engine, still in use by Valve software, is an extremely modified version of Quake from 1996, and therefore isn't naturally multi-threaded. The result is a very inefficient engine on any platform and a very difficult time on the PS3. The PlayStation 3 was designed to make use of multi-threading. Anyone that doesn't keep up with multi-threading is behind and won't do well on the system. Simple as that.



The reason games like Uncharted 2 and Metal Gear Solid 4 are impossible on the Xbox 360 are for those very reasons. The raw, hard processing power and ability to multi-thread six different ways gives developers a multitude of ways to design and optimize their engine. Even if the engines were rebuilt to work on three cores, there's just not enough power behind those three cores to keep up with the game.









tl;dr: The hardware is vastly different between the PS3 and Xbox 360, and the reason the 360 has been winning and garnering more games is because it's oldschool equipment that everyone's used to while the PS3 is on the leading edge.





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Yes, I am a geek.

[spacehamsterZH]

Noctis2.0 wrote...

[cold, hard facts]

yeh but p3s sux and has no gamz and i dnot liek teh controlur lulz 360 pwnz

[Darth_Trethon]

I just watched the ign side by side comparison and listened to the PS3 podcast thing and they are seriously cracking me up.

1) I have no idea on what TV they were running the 360 version of ME2 in the side by side comparison but ME2 looks just as good as their PS3 footage if not better on my HDTV. That comparison looks like a set-up to make the PS3 look better than it actually does. Sure you can have one version of ME2 run on standard def or sub par def and another version running on high def and the high def will always look better no matter what and it seems to me that the 360 footage for ME2 is NOT shown running on a HDTV.

2) Getting a 15 minute comic to spoil the plot of ME1 for you and give you some choices to import is NOT a proper replacement for a 40+ hour game and all the smaller choices that the 360 and PC owners get to import.

3) There's no modding on the PS3. I can put TIM's eyes on my shepard and make them bright yellow, I can have an adept trained in both Assault Rifles and Sniper Rifles(or shotguns) on top of the pistol, SMG & heavy and then give that adept the special weapons of those classes in the SR2's locker, I don't need to waste countless hours scanning for minerals, I don't have to force myself into being pure renegade or pure paragon to solve some major situations due to modding, I can add NPC hairstyles of femsheps and color the hair of both male and female sheps to any color imaginable and adjust the brightness however I see fit. And A LOT more on the 360 then the PC gamers can mod even further.

So where does this leave the PS3 version? Well you have no choice but to waste hours scanning for minerals, you HAVE to stick to pure paragon or pure renegade if you want to be able to handle so big situations(common sense not tolerated by the game) and you get to miss not only on a few smaller choices but on the whole Mass Effect 1 experience.

Verdict: Unless you can't afford a 360 or gaming PC to get the proper Mass Effect experience it's not worth bothering with.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 16 décembre 2010 - 12:07 .

[FearMonkey]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

IGN says the PS3 version has improved graphics and other gameplay tweaks.

Let the nerd rage commence. Woe to you, o earth and sea.

Iron Maiden rules!

[Johnsen1972]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

You never know they probably could have already looked at that when they were looking at putting the game on the PS3. If it is there, probably wouldn't want to talk about it until game is sorted in case there were issues.

Anyway I am a bit confused, I thought there was loading screens in Uncharted 2? I do remember the install for it being very low in comparison to others though. So maybe PS3 version of ME2 will be like that.

I know I've said it before but what with the 360 avatars and themes, hope we have something similar, maybe outfits for PSHome. Would be cool if there was an 'area' in PSHome that was like 'Afterlife' on Omega so all us ME fans can hang out and chat about it and other things.

Wonder if there will be a sneak peak at the comic too in the demo? (not the whole thing, but maybe just a video to show it)

No there are not loading screens, just at the start. The game is loaded during the cutscenes.
All games would look so much better compared to Xbox version if the studios would invest some time to optimize the games for PS3 as you can see on the exclusives. Microsoft fanbois will never understand that.

And it seems Bioware WAS investing some time to do that!

http://uk.ps3.ign.co.../1140265p1.html

AWESOME JOB BIOWARE,

as PS3 owner Im really pleased

Modifié par Johnsen1972, 15 décembre 2010 - 11:31 .

[FearMonkey]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

3) There's no modding on the PS3. I can put TIM's eyes on my shepard and make them bright yellow, I can have an adept trained in both Assault Rifles and Sniper Rifles(or shotguns) on top of the pistol, SMG & heavy and then give that adept the special weapons of those classes in the SR2's locker, I don't need to waste countless hours scanning for minerals, I don't have to force myself into being pure renegade or pure paragon to solve some major situations due to modding, I can add NPC hairstyles of femsheps and color the hair of both male and female sheps to any color imaginable and adjust the brightness however I see fit. And A LOT more on the 360 then the PC gamers can mod even further.

Verdict: Unless you can't afford a 360 or gaming PC to get the proper Mass Effect experience it's not worth bothering with.

There's no modding on the 360 either.

Unless you modded your 360, in which case you're a pirate.

Also, the entire game will fit on one blu-ray disc so there's no disc switching.

Also, FYI, the PS3 version of Unreal Tournament 3 allowed for PC mods to run on the PS3. So, in theory, Bioware could've had the PS3 version do that as well since both games are running on the Unreal Engine.

Food for thought.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Darth Trethon wrote...

I'm a silly child who likes to try starting 'console wars' by using the same line that Microsoft used back in August

*sighs*

I bet Priestly is punching a baby elcor now because of you.



Console wars aren't tolerated in the forums, the forums could do with less cretins like you. What is more laughable is... why should what is happening on the PS3 version bother you?

It shouldn't? Yet for some reason here you are, doing your best "Look at me, I'm a silly fanboy wanting to start a console war with my pathetic comments about how I can do stuff that makes no difference in the overall scheme of things to the playability of the game"



Run along back to whichever rock you crawled from under. Your an embarassment to the community.

Edit: @Johnsen1972 ahh yeah, that happens in a fair number of games, not just on PS3 though because I'm sure I read one of the Devs saying it happens in the opening cut-scene of ME2.

But yeah, if they are utilising that functionality then it will make loading of stuff quicker.

@Trethon again... do shut up. What has this topic got to do with you? Nothing.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 15 décembre 2010 - 11:48 .

[Darth_Trethon]

FearMonkey wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

3) There's no modding on the PS3. I can put TIM's eyes on my shepard and make them bright yellow, I can have an adept trained in both Assault Rifles and Sniper Rifles(or shotguns) on top of the pistol, SMG & heavy and then give that adept the special weapons of those classes in the SR2's locker, I don't need to waste countless hours scanning for minerals, I don't have to force myself into being pure renegade or pure paragon to solve some major situations due to modding, I can add NPC hairstyles of femsheps and color the hair of both male and female sheps to any color imaginable and adjust the brightness however I see fit. And A LOT more on the 360 then the PC gamers can mod even further.

Verdict: Unless you can't afford a 360 or gaming PC to get the proper Mass Effect experience it's not worth bothering with.

There's no modding on the 360 either.

Unless you modded your 360, in which case you're a pirate.

Also, the entire game will fit on one blu-ray disc so there's no disc switching.

Also, FYI, the PS3 version of Unreal Tournament 3 allowed for PC mods to run on the PS3. So, in theory, Bioware could've had the PS3 version do that as well since both games are running on the Unreal Engine.

Food for thought.

Wrong, no modded 360, no pirating or anything even slightly illegal and nothing that Microsoft would ban you over. I have a 8 moth old thread on the topic and NOBODY has been banned for modding ME2 on the 360. It used to be stickyed for several months and now there's a sticky directing to it and anothe PC modding thread. The end.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 16 décembre 2010 - 12:03 .

[Darth_Trethon]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
****snip personal rage****

Oh nothing to do with console wars, just pointing out some things that I think potential buyers would benefit from knowing.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
****snip personal rage****

Oh nothing to do with console wars, just pointing out some things that I think potential buyers would benefit from knowing.

Ahh, you didn't read my post, doesn't surprise me.

Nothing you listed means squat dit to the official gameplay.

Oh... and you might want to listen to the latest podcast. I think the 'potential buyers' would rather listen to the devs than a silly fanboy

[Darth_Trethon]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
****snip personal rage****

Oh nothing to do with console wars, just pointing out some things that I think potential buyers would benefit from knowing.

Ahh, you didn't read my post, doesn't surprise me.

Nothing you listed means squat dit to the official gameplay.

Oh... and you might want to listen to the latest podcast. I think the 'potential buyers' would rather listen to the devs than a silly fanboy

The devs' goals are to market the product, to advertise it for maximum sales. SUre they'll say the PS3 is better because they sure wouldn't mind for PC and 360 owners to buy yet another copy of their game. These guys are the public faces of the company or to put in in better terms the salesmen. If you want good, solid and reliable info about a car do you go into a manufacturer's car dealrship and start talking to their salesmen? Well maybe you might but it's not the smartest thing to do.

At any rate the point isn't to say that one platform is better but rather to put some clear info on the table regarding what the differences between versions are.....that IS what the thread is about after all....clarifying what the differences in functionality and content are between versions.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 16 décembre 2010 - 12:19 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
****snip personal rage****

Oh nothing to do with console wars, just pointing out some things that I think potential buyers would benefit from knowing.

Ahh, you didn't read my post, doesn't surprise me.

Nothing you listed means squat dit to the official gameplay.

Oh... and you might want to listen to the latest podcast. I think the 'potential buyers' would rather listen to the devs than a silly fanboy

The devs' goals are to market the product, to advertise it for maximum sales. SUre they'll say the PS3 is better because they sure wouldn't mind for PC and 360 owners to buy yet another copy of their game. These guys are the public faces of the company or to put in in better terms the salesmen. If you want good, solid and reliable info about a car do you go into a manufacturer's car dealrship and start talking to their salesmen? Well maybe you might but it's not the smartest thing to do.

At any rate the point isn't to say that one platform is better but rather to put some clear info on the table regarding what the differences between versions are.....that IS what the thread is about after all....clarifying what the differences in functionality and content are between versions.

Clearly you need to learn to read.

Does the topic title state 'PS3 vs Xbox360 Content comparison?

No. It says PS3 Exclusive Content Clarification, all the topic was with regards was clarifying the actual content the PS3 was having in light of a mess up in translation on a different site.

This topic has NOTHING to do with the Xbox360 version, so as I said earlier this has nothing to do with you and your silly 360fandom.

I find it hilarious you talk of the devs as salesmen and nothing to do with the manufacturing of the game and yet who is the one trying to sell the PC/360 version? Oh yeah.. you.

So let's see... do we trust the manufacturer of the game (ie the devs of Bioware) or the silly 360fan proclaiming to give players the benefits of another system?

Definitly wouldn't be the latter in the majority of peoples cases.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I dunno about the guy at the top, but I dig my shovelware.



How else would I know what is good and what is not good.

[voteDC]

Noctis2.0 wrote...


tl;dr: The hardware is vastly different between the PS3 and Xbox 360, and the reason the 360 has been winning and garnering more games is because it's oldschool equipment that everyone's used to while the PS3 is on the leading edge.


[/rant]

Yes, I am a geek.

The leading edge with what is essentially a GeForce 7800. I'll stick to my PC thanks.

On a serious note though why are people surprised that the PS3 version will look better? They've had an extra 12 months to tweak the graphics, given that time I would be very disapointed if it didn't look better.

All three versions will still be running on the Unreal Engine 3 anyway.

[Darth_Trethon]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
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Yeah you're taking this way to personaly. The exact opposite of my intent.

[Dust_King]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Verdict: Unless you can't afford a 360 or gaming PC to get the proper Mass Effect experience it's not worth bothering with.

News Flash! If people could afford a 360 or PC they would probably have bought Mass Effect by now!

Also I doubt any PS3 users care what you say while sounding like a blatant fanboy.

[Raspberry_]

YES YES there IS romance options in interactive comic. I'm so gonna buy this game on PS3!!

[Darth_Trethon]

Dust_King wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Verdict: Unless you can't afford a 360 or gaming PC to get the proper Mass Effect experience it's not worth bothering with.

News Flash! If people could afford a 360 or PC they would probably have bought Mass Effect by now!

Also I doubt any PS3 users care what you say while sounding like a blatant fanboy.

There are still a lot of PS3 fans that don't know about Mass Effect. I don't make a habit of shopping for platforms I don't own and don't really focus on or much care about the exclusives of platforms I don't use unless they are RPGs but most people I know(outside these forums obviously) aren't particularly interested in or focused on just one genre. Now that the game is advertised for the PS3 it will draw some of the more casual players here.

[spacehamsterZH]

voteDC wrote...

On a serious note though why are people surprised that the PS3 version will look better?

Because that almost never happens. It's kind of a special situation because there's a whole year between the two versions, but like I said earlier in this thread, usually the PS3 versions of cross-platform games are straight ports of the 360 version and sometimes even look worse because the architecture of the two consoles is vastly different. So Bioware actually devoting resources to polishing the PS3 port is exceptional.

No doubt the ComplainSquad will find a way to spin this as evil money-grubbing behavior and blame EA, though. Because, you know, just pushing a sloppy port on the market with as little effort as possible wouldn't have been more profitable.

FearMonkey wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...
Woe to you, o earth and sea.

Iron Maiden rules! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

I totally quoted that from the bible.
Okay, fine, I'm lying. And yeah, Maiden rules.

[Siansonea]

I'll be buying the PS3 version. I just want to see the differences in graphics and gameplay, and to support a great game that I've enjoyed playing on the XBox 360. I don't imagine I'll play through it as many times on the PS3 as I have on the 360, and my 360 saves are my 'canon' characters, but it'll be fun to compare and contrast. And now my PS3-only friends will finally know what an 'asari' is.

[DMZ_Destroyer]

who cares really mass effect wont truly be the same on ps3 no mass effect 1 i dotn care what they say about intro still wont be the same

[Remus Artega]

Wow just saw the comic... it will last 15mins and looks..well like comic...seriously WTF is so great about it is beyond me...from the preview of it it clearly has no impact on the player...only hope for ps3 players for it to be skippable...also the graphics on PS3 suffers the same gamma tone down like every multiplatform UE3 game...

[Forsythia]

The comic does not look so impressive if you can only make the biggest choices. Still, it would be nice if it's released on Xbox 360 and PC too.

[Venom UK]

Forsythia wrote...

The comic does not look so impressive if you can only make the biggest choices. Still, it would be nice if it's released on Xbox 360 and PC too.

I've gotta say, the comic being only 15 minutes long is half-hearted. Obviously Bioware can't recreate the whole ME1 game, but they should have at least have it approaching the length of one of the Superman / Batman animated DVDs, eg 45 minutes to an hour. In this way it could give PlayStation 3 only players a  full sense of the game world.  Bioware did not demonstrate foresight when allowing Microsoft to publish the first game, which means Bioware can't release their own game for the PS3. A lack of a full introduction will put of some PS3 players. All I can suggest is that for those with access to a compatible PC or friend's 360, try and play the original Mass Effect in advance, it's worth it. 

Modifié par Venom UK, 16 décembre 2010 - 12:12 .

[iggy4566]

Forsythia wrote...

The comic does not look so impressive if you can only make the biggest choices. Still, it would be nice if it's released on Xbox 360 and PC too.

Why do guys want this comic so badly  I mean y'all got to play the first one and transfer the save on to ME2 so why do you guys need it?