1770 réponses à ce sujet

[Crimson-Cobalt]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Crimson-Cobalt wrote...

Bioware can publish ME1 on the PS3.It doesn't matter who published it.An author retains the right to their book it's never the publishers,except in some rare cases.Remember that the 360 version of Mass Effect 1 had huge technical shortcomings.Frame rate,Freezing,Texture popping and long load times and that was all on the Xbox.Imagine what would happen if they ported it to the PS3,porting ME1 properly would take a lot of money.It would cause Bioware a significant amount of loss.The interactive comic book is brilliant way to handle the ME1 choices problem in my opinion.

No they can't, it is owned by microsoft.

Do you see Mass Effect in this list.They don't own the Mass Effect IP.

[Kos-mos80]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Crimson-Cobalt wrote...

Bioware can publish ME1 on the PS3.It doesn't matter who published it.An author retains the right to their book it's never the publishers,except in some rare cases.Remember that the 360 version of Mass Effect 1 had huge technical shortcomings.Frame rate,Freezing,Texture popping and long load times and that was all on the Xbox.Imagine what would happen if they ported it to the PS3,porting ME1 properly would take a lot of money.It would cause Bioware a significant amount of loss.The interactive comic book is brilliant way to handle the ME1 choices problem in my opinion.

No they can't, it is owned by microsoft.

They can't but it isn't owned by Microsoft they just have a small percentage of rights over it .These were their terms in their contracts with BioWare then BioWare joined EA and these terms weren't accepted on the 2nd

[Gibb_Shepard]

Crimson-Cobalt wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Crimson-Cobalt wrote...

Bioware can publish ME1 on the PS3.It doesn't matter who published it.An author retains the right to their book it's never the publishers,except in some rare cases.Remember that the 360 version of Mass Effect 1 had huge technical shortcomings.Frame rate,Freezing,Texture popping and long load times and that was all on the Xbox.Imagine what would happen if they ported it to the PS3,porting ME1 properly would take a lot of money.It would cause Bioware a significant amount of loss.The interactive comic book is brilliant way to handle the ME1 choices problem in my opinion.

No they can't, it is owned by microsoft.

Do you see Mass Effect in this list.They don't own the Mass Effect IP.

Okay, but they still own some rights to it. Therefore BW aren't porting ME1 because they don't want to, but because they can't.

[Crimson-Cobalt]

Kos-mos80 wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Crimson-Cobalt wrote...

Bioware can publish ME1 on the PS3.It doesn't matter who published it.An author retains the right to their book it's never the publishers,except in some rare cases.Remember that the 360 version of Mass Effect 1 had huge technical shortcomings.Frame rate,Freezing,Texture popping and long load times and that was all on the Xbox.Imagine what would happen if they ported it to the PS3,porting ME1 properly would take a lot of money.It would cause Bioware a significant amount of loss.The interactive comic book is brilliant way to handle the ME1 choices problem in my opinion.

No they can't, it is owned by microsoft.

They can't but it isn't owned by Microsoft they just have a small percentage of rights over it .These were their terms in their contracts with BioWare then BioWare joined EA and these terms weren't accepted on the 2nd

Microsoft has never acknowledged or said that Mass Effect is a Microsoft IP.Even when it was an Xbox exclusive.All they could do is publish the game and give Bioware some money making it a timed exclusive.Kind of like the 50 million dollars they paid for the GTA 4 expansions.Here is a link to all of Microsofts owned IPs.

[Crimson-Cobalt]

I will say this again.Bioware can publish ME1 on the PS3.It doesn't matter who published it.An author retains the right to their book it's never the publishers,except in some rare cases.Remember that the 360 version of Mass Effect 1 had huge technical shortcomings.Frame rate,Freezing,Texture popping and long load times and that was all on the Xbox.Imagine what would happen if they ported it to the PS3,porting ME1 properly would take a lot of money.It would take a lot of money to make a game run on the PS3 reasonably well when it even had problems running on the 360's simpler architecture.

Modifié par Crimson-Cobalt, 07 novembre 2010 - 12:57 .

[Kos-mos80]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Crimson-Cobalt wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Crimson-Cobalt wrote...

Bioware can publish ME1 on the PS3.It doesn't matter who published it.An author retains the right to their book it's never the publishers,except in some rare cases.Remember that the 360 version of Mass Effect 1 had huge technical shortcomings.Frame rate,Freezing,Texture popping and long load times and that was all on the Xbox.Imagine what would happen if they ported it to the PS3,porting ME1 properly would take a lot of money.It would cause Bioware a significant amount of loss.The interactive comic book is brilliant way to handle the ME1 choices problem in my opinion.

No they can't, it is owned by microsoft.

Do you see Mass Effect in this list.They don't own the Mass Effect IP.

Okay, but they still own some rights to it. Therefore BW aren't porting ME1 because they don't want to, but because they can't.

As long as Microsoft doesn't give up or sell their rights they can't

[Gibb_Shepard]

Crimson-Cobalt wrote...

I will say this again.Bioware can publish ME1 on the PS3.It doesn't matter who published it.An author retains the right to their book it's never the publishers,except in some rare cases.Remember that the 360 version of Mass Effect 1 had huge technical shortcomings.Frame rate,Freezing,Texture popping and long load times and that was all on the Xbox.Imagine what would happen if they ported it to the PS3,porting ME1 properly would take a lot of money.It would take a lot of money to make a game run on the PS3 reasonably well when it even has problems running on the 360's simpler architecture.

If you think thats the reason, good for you. 

But in the end, its because MS have rights to it, and won't let it be ported.

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 07 novembre 2010 - 12:59 .

[ReveurIngenu]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Crimson-Cobalt wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Crimson-Cobalt wrote...

Bioware can publish ME1 on the PS3.It doesn't matter who published it.An author retains the right to their book it's never the publishers,except in some rare cases.Remember that the 360 version of Mass Effect 1 had huge technical shortcomings.Frame rate,Freezing,Texture popping and long load times and that was all on the Xbox.Imagine what would happen if they ported it to the PS3,porting ME1 properly would take a lot of money.It would cause Bioware a significant amount of loss.The interactive comic book is brilliant way to handle the ME1 choices problem in my opinion.

No they can't, it is owned by microsoft.

Do you see Mass Effect in this list.They don't own the Mass Effect IP.

Okay, but they still own some rights to it. Therefore BW aren't porting ME1 because they don't want to, but because they can't.

Let's just use a counter-example to prove that you're wrong:  Ninja Gaiden II was published by Microsoft.  Didn't stop Tecmo from changing it's name, adding new content and releasing it on the PS3.  Your argument that Microsoft published ME1 so it can't ever come out on the PS3 is thus wrong.

If they aren't porting 1 to PS3, it might be because it'd be more complicated and expensive to do so.  Heck, they probably developped 2 knowing they would release it later for the PS3, and thus developed 2 with that in mind, which is not the case of 1.  Maybe, porting 1 to PS3 would prove too expensive, complicated, and time-consuming, and why they chose to limit themselves to 2.

However, the reason most surely is not because Microsoft published 1.

[Crimson-Cobalt]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Crimson-Cobalt wrote...

I will say this again.Bioware can publish ME1 on the PS3.It doesn't matter who published it.An author retains the right to their book it's never the publishers,except in some rare cases.Remember that the 360 version of Mass Effect 1 had huge technical shortcomings.Frame rate,Freezing,Texture popping and long load times and that was all on the Xbox.Imagine what would happen if they ported it to the PS3,porting ME1 properly would take a lot of money.It would take a lot of money to make a game run on the PS3 reasonably well when it even has problems running on the 360's simpler architecture.

If you think thats the reason, good for you. 

But in the end, its because MS have rights to it, and won't let it be ported.

If you can provide me with a single page from respected site saying that ME1 belongs to Microsoft I will believe you.I have already shown you the list of Microsoft's IPs.Trust me if Microsoft owned ME1 they would make sure that everyone knew.

P.S:Check on the net why the PS3 version of Frontlines got cancelled.Forget it I'll just give you the link.

Modifié par Crimson-Cobalt, 07 novembre 2010 - 01:08 .

[Kos-mos80]

The main reason is because Microsoft share rights of ME1 with Bioware
Just think about it if BioWare could find a loophole to release ME1 on Ps3 then Microsoft wouldn't respond like this when the ps3 version of ME2 was announced

"With both Mass Effect titles launching first on Xbox 360 combined with the wealth of available paid downloadable content on Xbox Live today, Xbox 360 remains the best place to experience the Mass Effect franchise
And the original Mass Effect is absolutely an Xbox 360 exclusive, making Xbox 360 the only place to get the full Mass Effect experience,"

apparently they can't,Microsoft holds them on that one
words speak for themselves

Modifié par Kos-mos80, 07 novembre 2010 - 01:14 .

[Crimson-Cobalt]

Kos-mos80 wrote...

The main reason is because Microsoft share rights of ME1 with Bioware
Just think about it if BioWare could find a loophole to release ME1 on Ps3 then Microsoft wouldn't respond like this when the ps3 version of ME2 was announced

"With both Mass Effect titles launching first on Xbox 360 combined with the wealth of available paid downloadable content on Xbox Live today, Xbox 360 remains the best place to experience the Mass Effect franchise
And the original Mass Effect is absolutely an Xbox 360 exclusive, making Xbox 360 the only place to get the full Mass Effect experience,"

words speak for themselves

It's like Sony saying you can only place you can enjoy the full Devil May Cry experience is on the Playstation.If Mass Effect 1 IP actually belonged to Microsoft the interactive comic book couldn't have been published.Microsoft has never said ME1 belonged to them.They never called it OUR game,they would always say Bioware's latest game.Neither is it listed anywhere as Microsoft's IP.

Modifié par Crimson-Cobalt, 07 novembre 2010 - 01:19 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I just love the hostility in Microsoft's statement. =D

[Crimson-Cobalt]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I just love the hostility in Microsoft's statement. =D

Yeah,they almost seemed angry.I love it when large corporations show some emotion:D

Modifié par Crimson-Cobalt, 07 novembre 2010 - 01:21 .

[Kos-mos80]

Crimson-Cobalt wrote...

It's like Sony saying you can only place you can enjoy the full Devil May Cry experience is on the Playstation.If Mass Effect 1 IP actually belonged to Microsoft the interactive comic book couldn't have been published.Microsoft has never said ME1 belonged to them.They never called it OUR game,they would always say Bioware's latest game.Neither is it listed anywhere as Microsoft's IP.

Sharing rights over a game doesn't equal owning the game.BioWare totally owns the game and the IP it's their creation. sharing rights over the 1st one though holds them tied with Microsoft as it seems that was their deal in their contracts.The Interactive comic book is nothing near the full ME1 experience and that was the loophole BioWare found in their contracts.

What exactly can't you understand between these specific Microsoft's lines?They're pretty clear

"And the original Mass Effect is absolutely an Xbox 360 exclusive, making Xbox 360 the only place to get the full Mass Effect experience,"

Modifié par Kos-mos80, 07 novembre 2010 - 01:32 .

[Crimson-Cobalt]

Kos-mos80 wrote...

Crimson-Cobalt wrote...

It's like Sony saying you can only place you can enjoy the full Devil May Cry experience is on the Playstation.If Mass Effect 1 IP actually belonged to Microsoft the interactive comic book couldn't have been published.Microsoft has never said ME1 belonged to them.They never called it OUR game,they would always say Bioware's latest game.Neither is it listed anywhere as Microsoft's IP.

Sharing rights over a game doesn't equal owning the game.BioWare totally owns the game and the IP it's their creation. sharing rights over the 1st one though holds them tied with Microsoft as it seems that was their deal in their contracts.The Interactive comic book is nothing near the full ME1 experience and that was the loophole BioWare found in their contracts.

What exactly can't you understand between these specific Microsoft's lines

"And the original Mass Effect is absolutely an Xbox 360 exclusive, making Xbox 360 the only place to get the full Mass Effect experience,"

Yeah,I understand they are just stating the obvious.It is an Xbox exclusive,it doesn't say anything about it staying exclusive.Trust me It's the cost and problems in porting to the PS3.I'm done arguing about this it is pointless.Anyways can't wait to get my hands on that interactive comic.Hope it is like Infamous in visual presentation.

P.S:Great way to deal the ME1 choice problem Bioware:)

Modifié par Crimson-Cobalt, 07 novembre 2010 - 01:39 .

[charmingcharlie]

Kos-mos80 wrote...

, making Xbox 360 the only place to get the full Mass Effect experience,"

That's odd I have had the "full" Mass Effect experience and I have never touched an Xbox It does annoy me that Microsoft and others on here seem to forget that Mass Effect is also available on the PC.

It is also pretty obvious that Microsoft has something in place to ensure that ME 1 does not appear on the Sony platform.  I personally believe if Bioware were legally allowed to do it then they would.  The thing is none of us know the real reasons why ME 1 won't come to the PS3 so I personally think it is pointless debating the issue.

[Kos-mos80]

I think too that BioWare aren't too crazy about it to make it happen on the ps3 as it will require a lot of work.But even if they were they can't do it and Microsoft's knows it pretty well hence their quote

[Crimson-Cobalt]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Kos-mos80 wrote...

, making Xbox 360 the only place to get the full Mass Effect experience,"

That's odd I have had the "full" Mass Effect experience and I have never touched an Xbox It does annoy me that Microsoft and others on here seem to forget that Mass Effect is also available on the PC.

It is also pretty obvious that Microsoft has something in place to ensure that ME 1 does not appear on the Sony platform.  I personally believe if Bioware were legally allowed to do it then they would.  The thing is none of us know the real reasons why ME 1 won't come to the PS3 so I personally think it is pointless debating the issue.

I agree with you but the cost of PS3 porting has denied the PS3 of many games.The Last Remnant and Frontlines:Fuel of War are two examples.The funny thing is that they both ran on the first version of Unreal Engine 3,just like Mass Effect 1.Both SquareEnix and THQ complained of high costs and time for cancelling the PS3 port.

Modifié par Crimson-Cobalt, 07 novembre 2010 - 01:51 .

[Lord Gremlin]

Hm. Wait. Christmas is coming, there will be all those delicious Steam sales... And you're telling me that by buying ME2 and DLC for PC much cheaper I won't miss anything? What's the reason for buying PS3 version then? Well, for me trophies are good reason anyway. But still it seems lame - porting a game a year later and no improvements/exclusive content?

P.S. Last Remnant is garbage. It's just too bad to justify creating expensive PS3 version. Then again, some people just have more money to spend - Section 8 successfully made it's way to PS3 for example.

[Kos-mos80]

Crimson-Cobalt wrote.

I agree with you but the cost of PS3 porting has denied the PS3 of many games.The Last Remnant and Frontlines:Fuel of War are two examples.The funny thing is that they both ran on the first version of Unreal Engine 3,just like Mass Effect 1.Both SquareEnix and THQ complained of high costs and time for cancelling the PS3 port.

Actually the porting job doesn't cost that much.Square Enix mentioned the difficulty of Unreal Engine 3 on the ps3,but the real obvious reason behind Last Remnant's absence from the ps3 library is that the game wasn't well received on 360 and PC so there is no point going through the porting process for nothing.
Funny thing is even though the game seems to be cancelled and will never get a port for sure Square-Enix never officially cancelled it.

[Illgor]

 It is a load of crap that PS3 is getting all this content for free and bonus content which Xbox and PC does not. I agree with some of the former posts where you should release something with all the stuff you're giving to PS3 that everyone else misses out on and make the DLC free for us that your just giving to them, or at least lower the price. IMO your ****ting on the fan base of Mass Effect.

[Jamie9]

Illgor wrote...

 It is a load of crap that PS3 is getting all this content for free and bonus content which Xbox and PC does not. I agree with some of the former posts where you should release something with all the stuff you're giving to PS3 that everyone else misses out on and make the DLC free for us that your just giving to them, or at least lower the price. IMO your ****ting on the fan base of Mass Effect.

Ok, you miss the comic, which for you is Mass Effect 1, a longer experience than the comic.

The DLC that the PS3 community gets is free in a way to you already. Go to amazon, and see that Mass Effect 2 for PS3 is almost 3 times the price of the xbox and PC versions. Thus, it is roughly the same price for the PS3 community altogether, but they are getting it a year later.

I don't see how you can complain. This is generating extra money for Mass Effect 3's development. Surely this is only a good thing?

[morrie23]

Including the DLC is a good thing, it means a large number of players will have LotSB and Overlord etc. I think this will mean BioWare would be more likely to incorporate the outcomes of these missions into ME3.

[YukiFA]

mrsph wrote...
Mass Effect isn't really as fun as it was when it first came out. The last time I played it I had to cheat my ass off (superspeed, unlimited talent points, etc.) to even have fun with the thing.

That's your problem. I and several of my XBL friends still enjoy new, legitmate playthroughs of the first.