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[HHS_spartan]

Yes but the geth werent extinct and you had dealings with them before. We knew a lot about them. We know almost nothing about the protheans

[jetwolfprime]

HHS_spartan wrote...

Just because somethings possible and they could do it doesnt mean they SHOULD do it. Its a lot like the people wanting lightsabers swords and horses.

Lightsabers = Star Wars

Horses = Not very viable for a squad based TPS set in the future, largely set in city scapes and space stations.

Protheans = part of the ME universe and a story pivotal race. Also bi-pedal, small (about the size of a human) and able to fit into city scapes, space stations and squad based TPS combat system.

[jetwolfprime]

HHS_spartan wrote...

Yes but the geth werent extinct and you had dealings with them before. We knew a lot about them. We know almost nothing about the protheans

Which is precisely why I would like the squadmate. Because I find the race to be interesting. We are talking about the only known sentient, organic species that was beginning to, or had come close to the Reapers level of technological sophistication. They built the sub-relay on the citadel after all. Also Shepard has the codex, seems like a golden opportunity to flesh this race out with more story.

[vehzeel]

jetwolfprime wrote...

vehzeel wrote...

Why haven't the Protheans come forward during those 50.000 years since the last extinction cycle? They could've uplifted the current races to be ready this time around. No, I think the Protheans are dead, dead, dead. So no Prothean squidmate squadmate or LI in ME3

I believe  I covered that with the 'stasis pod'. As far as why the pod didn't wake said Prothean up, a myriad of justifications or logical reasons can be created for said scenario. The first one that comes to mind is a malfunction in the waking protocols, or the stasis pods program registered a ressurgence of the Reapers due to activity on the citadel and chose not to wake the occupant; if Shepard hadn't happend along to find said pod, the occupant would have gone on sleeping indefinitely, or until the pods power source was exhausted. Keep in mind, the Protheans have power sources that can keep their beacons functions after 50,000 years, maybe they just hook a few of those power sources up and plug them into the pod.

One thing to keep in mind while considering a Prothean squdmate is that this is science fiction, anything is possible/plausible if given the proper attention to detail.

Ah, I was referring to the idea someone suggested with a Prothean planet "off the grid" from the relay network.
But "the last Prothean" idea is also silly. No way a stasis pod could withstand 50k years without maintainance. And I don't think the biological processes are on hold forever, no? So if it didn't die from the decay of the tech, the body would probably die in due time.

[Stazro]

In theory, Shepard could stumble across something like a smaller Ilos, another redoute, but because - for whatever reason - only some of their pods were used, their vigil managed to keep some of them alive. I'm not sure if I'd like it, but it's not inconveivable. We are still in need of that one ultimate device which can turn the tide and perhaps someone who battled the reapers before had an idea, that didn't come to be realized, because the necessary resources were no longer available, the galaxy being overrun and all.

[Aurora313]

I'd prefer a game that doesn't have you encounting Protheans, but using their tech and so on to discover what they were, who they were, what kind of culture they had and so on. Vigil said on Ilos (trust me on this, I spoke with him in the game not three days ago.) that only the very top scientists (about twelve or so, if memory serves) on Ilos had been spared by the time of the Reaper's withdrawal into dark space. There were too few to repopulate the race so instead they created the conduit that lead to the citadel and disabled the signal to the keepers. Vigil then states that they probably died, going insane from stravation, dehydration or lack of contact from anyone else. Long story short - Protheans are a no-go as a squad mate.



As 'cool' as some people might believe that to be - it's a real story killer for being so clichéd. Bioware has made the game about unpredictablity and cause-effect scenarios with a few different outcomes. That's what makes the game so intriguing. Maybe a beacon or data archieve as I suggested before, or even Shepard purposely exposing himself to Harbinger's mind and indoctrination to get answers about the Protheans would be an acceptable way to introduce them, but if it seriously happened? A real, living and breathing one? He'd probably commit suicide knowing he was the last of his kind before even getting a chance to join Shepard's team. Being the solitary survivor of a genocide is so physcologcially damaging, that'd probably be the only reasonable course of action the Prothean would see at the time.

Point - Vigil said they were all extinct, even if they weren't, the survivors would be too tramatized to help and even less inclined to live on knowing that there were too few to repopulate and that there race was doomed.

[Halfdan The Menace]

I do not want seafoods as my "squadmates",besides the Collectors are the Protheans....

[HHS_spartan]

I agree with aurora313. Besides the series isnt really even about the protheans its more about the reapers. The protheans were just the last in a long line of species to get wiped out.

[wulichisu]

Aurora313 wrote...

I'd prefer a game that doesn't have you encounting Protheans, but using their tech and so on to discover what they were, who they were, what kind of culture they had and so on. Vigil said on Ilos (trust me on this, I spoke with him in the game not three days ago.) that only the very top scientists (about twelve or so, if memory serves) on Ilos had been spared by the time of the Reaper's withdrawal into dark space. There were too few to repopulate the race so instead they created the conduit that lead to the citadel and disabled the signal to the keepers. Vigil then states that they probably died, going insane from stravation, dehydration or lack of contact from anyone else. Long story short - Protheans are a no-go as a squad mate.
 
OP states that this would be a stasis pod or Prothean found outside of the known records in Vigil.

As 'cool' as some people might believe that to be - it's a real story killer for being so clichéd. Bioware has made the game about unpredictablity and cause-effect scenarios with a few different outcomes. That's what makes the game so intriguing. Maybe a beacon or data archieve as I suggested before, or even Shepard purposely exposing himself to Harbinger's mind and indoctrination to get answers about the Protheans would be an acceptable way to introduce them, but if it seriously happened? A real, living and breathing one? He'd probably commit suicide knowing he was the last of his kind before even getting a chance to join Shepard's team. Being the solitary survivor of a genocide is so physcologcially damaging, that'd probably be the only reasonable course of action the Prothean would see at the time.
Point - Vigil said they were all extinct, even if they weren't, the survivors would be too tramatized to help and even less inclined to live on knowing that there were too few to repopulate and that there race was doomed.

Cliche is the name of the game at this point, you can distill any of the concepts in ME down to a reference to or flat out copy of other sci-fi lore. Sorry but Krogens aren't orginal, Asari aren't orignial etc...Small details about the races are original but their overall concepts are not.

Suicide? In an age of cloning and now full on ressurection, doubtful. In fact if the Prothean were a scientist of some sort as the OP suggested, they might very well have ideas for repopulation; or, here's a wacky thought, right next to the pod is several frozen samples of Prothean DNA specifically preserved for the purposes of repopulating the species.

Counterpoint- I can think of no greater motivator for the Prothean to help Shepard to be rid of the Reapers than a chance to at least explore the possibility that they might be able to bring their people back. Specific individuals will be gone for that person, but their legacy could be renewed.

Modifié par wulichisu, 08 novembre 2010 - 12:11 .

[HHS_spartan]

The whole idea of bringing the protheans back just kinda ruins there legacy for me. Its sad that that race has gone extinct. I mean talking with vigil i thought was a pretty dramatic thing the last remnant of long gone race. The very last of them sacrificed themselves so that the new races could live. To then just go oh well now were going to bring the race back just seems like a waste of it all. How would bringing back the protheans add anything? I just see it as detracting from their great and epic story.

[morley37]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
. However, I think that there should be only ONE prothean, since finding a couple would be too much sunshine and rainbows.

Finding one prothean FIFTY THOUSAND FREAKING YEARS after they went extinct: totally plausible and awesome

Finding 2 protheans: totally ridiculuous and unrealistic.

I mean, seriously. First horses for shep and now this. Is the forum on crack today, or are we being infested by trolls?

[vehzeel]

Cracktrolls

[Aurica]

GodWood wrote...

Judging from the beacons protheans look like Cthulhu.
You really want to romance this?

Hmmm.. those face tenacles... might be good for something
Hanars can now move aside as Protheans will be the new protagonist of the porn game sold in Shin Akiba

[uzivatel]

The series really needs one-of-a-kind-alien LI for female characters who is lonely and dying.
Such an original concept, I should totally work at BioWare...

Modifié par uzivatel, 08 novembre 2010 - 11:54 .

[Severyx]

Taking the OP's idea (and reading the second post), I have to say no. The protheans were extinguished - the end. Vigil, having been created by the last protheans in existence specifically mentioned that the remaining population at the time of its creation was too small to continue the species.



Sorry, but unless Bioware can pull something extreme and extremely believable from the depths of their genius brains, we will never see a live prothean. And I'm okay with that.

[tnfstc]

For some reason I have a feeling it'll pop a Halo and be all "Well, the race you guys hate and disrespect? Yea the HUMANS? They were actually Protheans who survived and started anew on Earth."



Lol but srs, it'd be cool to have a squadmate atleast.

[deleted]

Protheans belong to the past, or to the visions Shepard has. I wouldn't mind being treated to some sort of clearer flashback that shows what they looked like in more detail, but nothing beyond that.



Finding a "long lost stasis pod" and making a prothean into a LI would just be incredibly cheesy.

[Aurora313]

Actually - we see some lore in the first Mass Effect about Protheans studying Cro-Magnon mankind. I know this'll probably retcon what I've said previously, but it wouldn't surprise me if they took some and experimented on their genetic code, maybe even splice some Prothe-DNA into their own which caused unforseen outcomes or rejections in the forms of cancer and so on. Not bring them back completely but have a lasting genetic legacy in other races. Hell, that might be why some organics (I don't mean Saren cause he was clearly modified before using the beacons) like Shepard were able to use the beacons and somewhat decifer the Prothean language.

That twist I wouldn't mind, but it still feels a little predictable, feels a little like Stargate or Halo. Though the concept was explored in different ways in each universe.

After reading though it, it seems completely ridiculous to me now, but hey - I'm putting it out there...

[Katamariguy]

casedawgz wrote...

HHS_spartan wrote...

Never ever going to happen. It just doesnt make sense and is completely unrealistic. That would be like having a forerunner squad mate in Halo or something.

The Forerunners were human. So technically, every Halo game is full of them.

Very debatable, actually.

[Mudzr]

I like the idea.

I can see that they could appear towards the end of the game and could be on a lost world, like the rakatans of KOTOR, and possess the means to destroy the Reapers in their genetic memory.

That or they oculd be realitives of the ones that got transported to the citadel, maybe they have been preparing all this time.

I hope they are implimented better than that though.

A prothean party member would be like the legion of ME3 I guess.



I mean the idea would have to be done properly but I can see how it may work, and kinda like the possibilities.

[Skilled Seeker]

ReconTeam wrote...

Now that I was able to suppress the urge to scream NO and break something, let me say no because I think it would be a pointless diversion. And the only real prothean left in the galaxy and Shepard would try to bang it? Really?

People here want to option to bang anything that moves!

I think the idea is ridiculous. There is no way a Prothean could have survived fifty millenia. Vigil tells us that the surviving scientists all went to the citadel to tweak the Keepers. Also had Protheans miraculously survived, in 50,000 years you would expect them to have rebuilt their civilisation or at least made contact with the new civilisations to warn them about the Reapers but this is not the case. They are gone for ever, let them rest in peace.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 10 novembre 2010 - 03:51 .

[Aurora313]

I second Skilled Seeker's comment.

[ReluctantMind]

Hopefully no Protheans will show up in the flesh. If Bioware really wanted to have interaction with Protheans they could have Shepard find a more functional program similar to Vigil, or repair Vigil. It would look like a Prothean VI, be able to interact and provide Prothean backstory, and would be unromanceable. However, I think the Protheans have provided their piece of the story and would prefer they did not show up again in any form.

[mattylee10]

While LotSB heavily hinted at more Prothean connections in ME3 I doubt it will involve an actual Prothean. More likely more recordings or some piece of tech.