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[My Mistake]

oghren was impossible to romance because he was a drunkard his wife walked out on, so he had a wall there.

[JoshieoPandar]

For female LIs, or in general. I'd like to see something else besides Humans being an option, not that it's bad, matter of opinion, but it can get dull. It's a given that Isabela is probably the first LI, someone who has a combined personality consisting Jack from ME2, and maybe Zevran, going by her personality, most likely be the bi for both genders. Varric's probably one, no idea what his sexuality is going to be like.



As for the second LI, no idea if Aveline is gonna be a temporary, or permanent companion so far. But I'd predict it'd probably be a female Dalish/city elf of some sort, there has be none written as a LI so far. I know it's not original, but what is? Not a huge elf fan, nor do I hate them. But I love how the Elves are written in DA lore, not your typical magic, pretty, peaceful elf. They're second class citizens, trying to make a place for themselves, and you feel for them. As for a male, probably a human mage of some kind, maybe an apostate, although your sister is already one. Like to see how that plays out, if he were to be a proper mage, and Hawke's sister, as an apostate.



Maybe off-topic, but something cool would be your companions falling for one and another in the end!

[Aermas]

Fighting of Carver's of Bethany's advances on an LI would be cool

[My Mistake]

JoshieoPandar wrote...

For female LIs, or in general. I'd like to see something else besides Humans being an option, not that it's bad, matter of opinion, but it can get dull. It's a given that Isabela is probably the first LI, someone who has a combined personality consisting Jack from ME2, and maybe Zevran, going by her personality, most likely be the bi for both genders. Varric's probably one, no idea what his sexuality is going to be like.

As for the second LI, no idea if Aveline is gonna be a temporary, or permanent companion so far. But I'd predict it'd probably be a female Dalish/city elf of some sort, there has be none written as a LI so far. I know it's not original, but what is? Not a huge elf fan, nor do I hate them. But I love how the Elves are written in DA lore, not your typical magic, pretty, peaceful elf. They're second class citizens, trying to make a place for themselves, and you feel for them. As for a male, probably a human mage of some kind, maybe an apostate, although your sister is already one. Like to see how that plays out, if he were to be a proper mage, and Hawke's sister, as an apostate.

Maybe off-topic, but something cool would be your companions falling for one and another in the end!

Dalish Elf is not dumb at all, unless i heard wrong or maybe just a rumour, but I heard Hawke does encounter dalish elves at one point.

[Eveangaline]

Aermas wrote...

Fighting of Carver's of Bethany's advances on an LI would be cool

That would be pretty funny

"Carver, I notice we've fallen for the same man....

Draw your sword"

[My Mistake]

Eveangaline wrote...

Aermas wrote...

Fighting of Carver's of Bethany's advances on an LI would be cool

That would be pretty funny

"Carver, I notice we've fallen for the same man....

Draw your sword"

idk why but I laughed at this............. lol

[Saibh]

My pure, honest opinion about this (which could very well be wrong and I won't mind at all if I am) is that Varric is not a love interest because

a) He's a dwarf, and while these forums have more varied affections about what their favorite race is than the majority of people do, most people aren't keen on playing as a dwarf, let alone romancing them for a myriad of different reasons.

...He isn't good looking. Shallow, I know, and it's not the reason why I don't want him to be a LI, but why I don't think he will be. In BioWare games, picking out who will be the LIs after seeing all the companions is easy. The younger, handsome ones will be the LIs. I know some people can find Varric attractive, but looking at him leads me to believe he wasn't really designed with "love interest" in mind.

c) He's the narrator. There are a lot of problems with continuity. If you start a relationship with him, and then break it off (or even do something that was possible in DAO: start it up, break it off, start it up again), I fear it'll seem rather schizoid with how he refers to you. It'd seem weird if he never referred to the player as his lover or a relationship when she (or he) is.

Now, I can be completely wrong, and I won't mind that. But using my Speculation Powers this is what I personally think.

Modifié par Saibh, 07 novembre 2010 - 08:01 .

[Aermas]

Eveangaline wrote...

Aermas wrote...

Fighting of Carver's of Bethany's advances on an LI would be cool

That would be pretty funny

"Carver, I notice we've fallen for the same man....

Draw your sword"

I think you gain rivalry for that

[My Mistake]

Saibh wrote...

My pure, honest opinion about this (which could very well be wrong and I won't mind at all if I am) is that Varric is not a love interest because

a) He's a dwarf, and while these forums have more varied affections about what their favorite race is than the majority of people do, most people aren't keen on playing as a dwarf, let alone romancing them for a myriad of different reasons.

...He isn't good looking. Shallow, I know, and it's not the reason why I don't want him to be a LI, but why I don't think he will be. In BioWare games, picking out who will be the LIs after seeing all the companions is easy. The younger, handsome ones will be the LIs. I know some people can find Varric attractive, but looking at him leads me to believe he wasn't really designed with "love interest" in mind.

c) He's the narrator. There are a lot of problems with continuity. If you start a relationship with him, and then break it off (or even do something that was possible in DAO: start it up, break it off, start it up again), I fear it'll seem rather schizoid with how he refers to you. It'd seem weird if he never referred to the player as his lover or a relationship when she (or he) is.

Now, I can be completely wrong, and I won't mind that. But using my Speculation Powers this is what I personally think.

i know you've been on the Isabela threads, and should understand not everyone likes a LI.  But with I agree with the last part about him be narrator, could cause problems and bigoted views

[Saibh]

My Mistake wrote...

i know you've been on the Isabela threads, and should understand not everyone likes a LI.  But with I agree with the last part about him be narrator, could cause problems and bigoted views

But I can see that she was designed to be attractive. That they missed this mark for many people isn't exactly my point. Varric doesn't look like he was designed to be a love interest, or with "love interest" in mind. Isabela does.

[Aermas]

Saibh wrote...

My Mistake wrote...

i know you've been on the Isabela threads, and should understand not everyone likes a LI.  But with I agree with the last part about him be narrator, could cause problems and bigoted views

But I can see that she was designed to be attractive. That they missed this mark for many people isn't exactly my point. Varric doesn't look like he was designed to be a love interest, or with "love interest" in mind. Isabela does.

But his chest hair proclaims he is a LI

[Calla S]

Saibh wrote...

My Mistake wrote...

i know you've been on the Isabela threads, and should understand not everyone likes a LI.  But with I agree with the last part about him be narrator, could cause problems and bigoted views

But I can see that she was designed to be attractive. That they missed this mark for many people isn't exactly my point. Varric doesn't look like he was designed to be a love interest, or with "love interest" in mind. Isabela does.

Really? Even if I wasn't a fan of his, I'd be able to see that he was clearly designed to be attractive. When compared to very nearly all of the dwarves in DA:O, it becomes even more obvious. His looks coupled with his voice and what we know of his personality lends itself to the idea that he may very well be the charming, roguish LI. My only hesitation besides the initial "phooey, no dwarf romance" was the fact that he's a narrator, and that only gives itself to the possibility of having even more interesting things for him to tell Cassandra. I'm still hesitant (mostly because BioWare tends to miss the mark on the "characters I'd like to romance"), but I wouldn't count him out just yet.

[Angarma]

Saibh wrote...

My Mistake wrote...

i know you've been on the Isabela threads, and should understand not everyone likes a LI.  But with I agree with the last part about him be narrator, could cause problems and bigoted views

But I can see that she was designed to be attractive. That they missed this mark for many people isn't exactly my point. Varric doesn't look like he was designed to be a love interest, or with "love interest" in mind. Isabela does.

"Look" is a perception, a thought from ones mind, a mind that can have different views to the one next door.
While I don't think Varric will be a love interest myself based on a developer's response to human / dwarf romance, you on the other hand are mainly basing it on how attractive one is.

More evidence (even speculation) is needed.

I would go ahead and dare say that your opinion on Varric's looks is in a minority right now.
Briefly skimming through the Varric fan thread has told me that fan support for him and his chest hair is big.
So even when it comes down to just "looks" you need to make sure you have evidence to back that argument up.

It is like me saying "Isabela won't be an LI, she looks like a skank ****, DA players like cougars anyway."
When I should have said "Isabela won't be an LI, she frequents brothels and drops partners as fast as she gets them, this poll shows that majority of DA players like LIs over 35 looking for... adventure anyway."

[My Mistake]

accordign to Aveline's wiki page she will be a companion. Apperantly she wont get along with mage hawkes and Bethany *cough* Ashley *Cough*

[ErichHartmann]

My Mistake wrote...

accordign to Aveline's wiki page she will be a companion. Apperantly she wont get along with mage hawkes and Bethany *cough* Ashley *Cough*

Well if she has zero interest in my Fem!Hawke then I'll dump her as a companion.

[Saibh]

Dodok wrote...

"Look" is a perception, a thought from ones mind, a mind that can have different views to the one next door.
While I don't think Varric will be a love interest myself based on a developer's response to human / dwarf romance, you on the other hand are mainly basing it on how attractive one is.

Maybe you missed the other two points--one of which was your own?

I would go ahead and dare say that your opinion on Varric's looks is in a minority right now.
Briefly skimming through the Varric fan thread has told me that fan support for him and his chest hair is big.
So even when it comes down to just "looks" you need to make sure you have evidence to back that argument up.

It is like me saying "Isabela won't be an LI, she looks like a skank ****, DA players like cougars anyway."
When I should have said "Isabela won't be an LI, she frequents brothels and drops partners as fast as she gets them, this poll shows that majority of DA players like LIs over 35 looking for... adventure anyway."

I would say there's no more obvious indication that she's supposed to be a LI than the way she dresses. She also has long, flowing hair. Isabela looks like a LI.

Varric--as the biggest, and most obvious point--is a dwarf. Second, his jaw is very large, his nose is pretty big, and his eyes are pretty small. But it's more of a "vibe" feeling than anything, and I've already indicated several times that this is my opinion and I can be wrong, but he just doesn't look like what I'd call a LI. I was able to point out who was LIs for ME and ME2 (excusing Garrus and Tali, actually) and DAO. I could be wrong, who knows? I don't particularly care if I am, since I'm sure there'll be another human LI.

Maybe my opinion is in the minority and most women randomly walking down the street would think Varric is attractive, I don't know. Ha, us as fangirls are capable of finding Garrus attractive--even if I'm not--after all.

Besides that, what's your idea about minority? A fan thread isn't the place to gauge how people feel about a character. He is one of two full companions that we know about--he was actually the very first introduced (unless Bethany is a full party member). Popularity is relative, and there's not a lot we can compare Varric too.

My Mistake wrote...

accordign to Aveline's wiki page she will be a companion. Apperantly she wont get along with mage hawkes and Bethany *cough* Ashley *Cough*

They didn't cite--take it with a grain of salt. Us fans edit the wiki.

Calla S wrote...

Really? Even if I wasn't a fan of his, I'd be able to see that he was clearly designed to be attractive. When compared to very nearly all of the dwarves in DA:O, it becomes even more obvious. His looks coupled with his voice and what we know of his personality lends itself to the idea that he may very well be the charming, roguish LI. My only hesitation besides the initial "phooey, no dwarf romance" was the fact that he's a narrator, and that only gives itself to the possibility of having even more interesting things for him to tell Cassandra. I'm still hesitant (mostly because BioWare tends to miss the mark on the "characters I'd like to romance"), but I wouldn't count him out just yet.

Maybe not down and out, no. But I have a feeling he isn't. Anyhow, so long as there's a human LI to contrast, I don't really care. I was just expressing why I thought he wouldn't be.

Modifié par Saibh, 07 novembre 2010 - 09:33 .

[Maria Caliban]

Saibh wrote...

c) He's the narrator. There are a lot of problems with continuity. If you start a relationship with him, and then break it off (or even do something that was possible in DAO: start it up, break it off, start it up again), I fear it'll seem rather schizoid with how he refers to you. It'd seem weird if he never referred to the player as his lover or a relationship when she (or he) is.

It depends on the type of relationship and his personality.

When I lived with my first girlfriend, I spoke about her frequently, but people were often surprised when they learned we a couple. And I mean people who knew I wasn't straight and knew we were living together.

Some people just don't talk about a lover, ex-lover any differently than they would a friend or rival.

[Maria Caliban]

My Mistake wrote...

accordign to Aveline's wiki page she will be a companion. Apperantly she wont get along with mage hawkes and Bethany *cough* Ashley *Cough*

Edit: Found it.

Yes, she is a companion. It doesn't say that she's a *permanent* companion. It says nothing about how she'll get along with Hawke. Only that there seems to be tension between Bethany and her.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 07 novembre 2010 - 09:59 .

[My Mistake]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Saibh wrote...

c) He's the narrator. There are a lot of problems with continuity. If you start a relationship with him, and then break it off (or even do something that was possible in DAO: start it up, break it off, start it up again), I fear it'll seem rather schizoid with how he refers to you. It'd seem weird if he never referred to the player as his lover or a relationship when she (or he) is.

It depends on the type of relationship and his personality.

When I lived with my first girlfriend, I spoke about her frequently, but people were often surprised when they learned we a couple. And I mean people who knew I wasn't straight and knew we were living together.

Some people just don't talk about a lover, ex-lover any differently than they would a friend or rival.

you got a point and my ex was a ****, so rarely do i even bring her up.

[Maria Caliban]

Saibh wrote...

They didn't cite--take it with a grain of salt. Us fans edit the wiki.

If it's on the wiki, it's probably true.

[Sanctuary74]

Saibh wrote...

My pure, honest opinion about this (which could very well be wrong and I won't mind at all if I am) is that Varric is not a love interest because

...He isn't good looking. Shallow, I know, and it's not the reason why I don't want him to be a LI, but why I don't think he will be. In BioWare games, picking out who will be the LIs after seeing all the companions is easy. The younger, handsome ones will be the LIs. I know some people can find Varric attractive, but looking at him leads me to believe he wasn't really designed with "love interest" in mind.

c) He's the narrator. There are a lot of problems with continuity. If you start a relationship with him, and then break it off (or even do something that was possible in DAO: start it up, break it off, start it up again), I fear it'll seem rather schizoid with how he refers to you. It'd seem weird if he never referred to the player as his lover or a relationship when she (or he) is.

Now, I can be completely wrong, and I won't mind that. But using my Speculation Powers this is what I personally think.

Sadly, I would have to agree with Saibh on this matter.
While many people probably think Varric is attractive, he just doesnt LOOK like an LI when compared to other Bioware LI's. I myself could go for a Varric romance just based on his personality, but he doesnt look like the others. (that just sounds so.. horrible, STUPID LI STEREOTYPE!) 
Also, there is the continuity, as he could have hard feelings, not want to talk about it, never call her his lady, etc.

[Angarma]

Saibh wrote...
Maybe you missed the other two points--one of which was your own?

Perhaps. Again no detail to this point I made makes me clueless on what weight does your argument hold on.

I would say there's no more obvious indication that she's supposed to be a LI than the way she dresses. She also has long, flowing hair. Isabela looks like a LI.

Varric--as the biggest, and most obvious point--is a dwarf. Second, his jaw is very large, his nose is pretty big, and his eyes are pretty small. But it's more of a "vibe" feeling than anything, and I've already indicated several times that this is my opinion and I can be wrong, but he just doesn't look like what I'd call a LI. I was able to point out who was LIs for ME and ME2 (excusing Garrus and Tali, actually) and DAO. I could be wrong, who knows? I don't particularly care if I am, since I'm sure there'll be another human LI.

Maybe my opinion is in the minority and most women randomly walking down the street would think Varric is attractive, I don't know. Ha, us as fangirls are capable of finding Garrus attractive--even if I'm not--after all.

Besides that, what's your idea about minority? A fan thread isn't the place to gauge how people feel about a character. He is one of two full companions that we know about--he was actually the very first introduced (unless Bethany is a full party member). Popularity is relative, and there's not a lot we can compare Varric too.

How one dresses is not the best factor to go off for determining whether a character is a LI or not,
especially with males of all things. I mean look at Alistair, when you first meet him he just looks like some army chump in splintmail, you would need to be some sort of prophet to know that he is a LI by just that.

Racial difference does not weird as many people out as you might think.
So what if he is a dwarf, he could be the Archdemon and someone, somewhere out there will still romance him.
I have this *vibe* to try and get you to add some evidence into your arguments, not just give speculation.

You are right it is only a opinion and accepting that you could be wrong is not a problem, it shows maturity.
Probably alot of women find Varric attractive. Chest hair seems to be the new fancy *writes down on note*.
Does that make him likely as a LI? possibly if fan population for this idea was high in post or poll numbers.

A fan thread is the best place to gauge how people respond to a particular character.
The haters come in, say their word and go out. The neutral guys come in, say their word and go out.
Then you get the fans who come in all the time and sometimes go out.

By this you could record small but hard numbers on the response to the character if the thread is popular.
Fan threads can turn out to be exactly opposite to what the creator intended: hater threads.
So a decent mix of people come into these threads, which could be recorded, even briefly glimpsing over say..
10 pages gives you a good number on all the sides.

Even though like you I don't believe Varric will be an LI, I'm trying at least to use evidence / facts for my reasons.
This is what I'm trying to get across in this post. Either use some evidence to support your claim or be flamed.

[Anarya]

I'm still a little torn on whether I think Varric is an LI or not. My gut instinct is to say no, but the reason I made Varric thread 1.0 was because I noticed that his concept was far more attractive than *any* dwarf we've seen so far, and therefore I got the impression that he could possibly be a romance. Compared to the other Bioware male LIs? Disregarding Garrus and Thane, Varric's looks are still a bit unconventional. But then they went and gave him a sexy voice. And compared to Gorim, who was sort of a mini-romance for female Aeducans, he's much better looking. So really I don't even know what to think at this point. I just think his personality is one that I would like to see in a future LI because it seems fun and different than what we've had before.

Modifié par Anarya, 07 novembre 2010 - 11:26 .

[My Mistake]

What if Anders returns? I mean epilogues mention he heads to the free marches and in one epilogue he joined Isabela's crew.



then in with hunt the mages banter about Anders, is BW hinting at something?

[Addai]

Concept art Varic is attractive, but not the gameplay one. I'd still be in favor of a dwarf LI- looks aren't everything, and I love cross-cultural themes in the romances.

I do hope the main male LI isn't a mage.  Something about the robes...

Modifié par Addai67, 07 novembre 2010 - 11:52 .