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[Bann Duncan]

What I don't understand, though, is how The Witcher is less 'dumbed down'. Most of the things that people are complaining about in DA2 are present in The Witcher, sometimes moreso.

[Fortlowe]

MIke_18 wrote...

I'm mentioning this because i dont wanna "Button mash my way" just to see what happens in a heavyly recycled generic poorly written story.

DA best part was the gameplay and the combat. And now that's gone.

Are we talking about Witcher II......? I'm confused. Isn't that game called Assassins of Kings or something? Isn't taking down the big bad despot the goal of every RPG....ever?

[Giubba]

MIke_18 wrote...

Oh really?

Illusive man : The Whole galaxy has gone to hell and there's only one man that can save it. Get me Sheppard.

DA II : The whole world has gone to hell and theres only one man to save it. Get me Hawke.

And in both the main focus will be the character quests, or loyalty quests right?

I'm not a troll i love The Witcher and Dragon Age, but you can't deny how much recycling BIoware does and how poor the quality of the writing is (Giant terminator pumped with human goo)

Witcher:Emo man kill monster while weeping over his misery and how the world is an ugly place to live in.

Do you know that oversimplfication can also be applied to thing that YOU like and it obtain the same result when it's applied to thing you don't like?

So spare us those bull**** please.

[upsettingshorts]

Mike_18 is just gonna use reductionist arguments to say Bioware games are all the same in response. By the same logic Star Wars has the same plot as The Matrix. It's hopeless, bother not!

[Leonia]

It has been awhile since we've seen an epic Witcher v. Dragon Age debate on these forums hasn't it? I'll just be sitting over here, munching on biscuits and sketching Varric or something while this thread takes its course..

[Giubba]

point is that we are reading the same old thrite argument since august, enough please.

[Giubba]

leonia42 wrote...

It has been awhile since we've seen an epic Witcher v. Dragon Age debate on these forums hasn't it? I'll just be sitting over here, munching on biscuits and sketching Varric or something while this thread takes its course..

Sorry for the double post.

Am i the only one who hopes both will be great game?

[MIke_18]

It wasn't a reductionist argument they were quotes from ME2 and from the DA II  trailer. 

Bann Duncan wrote...

What I don't understand, though, is how The Witcher is less 'dumbed down'. Most of the things that people are complaining about in DA2 are present in The Witcher, sometimes moreso.

The Witcher was an action RPG from the start, it wasn't touted to be this  generations Baldurs Gate 2, and it didn't sell out the fanbase just so they can appeal to casual players, in fact Witcher 2 is greatly improved with many features added instead of taken out.

[Leonia]

Giubba1985 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

It has been awhile since we've seen an epic Witcher v. Dragon Age debate on these forums hasn't it? I'll just be sitting over here, munching on biscuits and sketching Varric or something while this thread takes its course..

Sorry for the double post.

Am i the only one who hopes both will be great game?

Sure, that's fine, it's ok to like both.

It's just a reoccuring argument that some of us get tired of seeing sometimes.

[slimgrin]

MIke_18 wrote...

Oh really?

Illusive man : The Whole galaxy has gone to hell and there's only one man that can save it. Get me Sheppard.

DA II : The whole world has gone to hell and theres only one man to save it. Get me Hawke.

And in both the main focus will be the character quests, or loyalty quests right?

I'm not a troll i love The Witcher and Dragon Age, but you can't deny how much recycling BIoware does and how poor the quality of the writing is (Giant terminator pumped with human goo)

The ending of ME2 is not a high point in their story telling, true. But Bioware has always specialized in writing unique companions to the pc, and quite frankly I don't think they've written a bad one yet ( although Ogren may change my mind on that) In fact, if you look at the diversity of personalities in their games its pretty amazing.

They have established a reputation in the industry for great writing, especially when compared to the drivel that gets tossed out in most AAA releases.

Modifié par slimgrin, 07 novembre 2010 - 11:02 .

[slimgrin]

Giubba1985 wrote...

Am i the only one who hopes both will be great game?

No, I am too. 

*universe implodes*

Modifié par slimgrin, 07 novembre 2010 - 11:06 .

[Pedrak]

Funny how some fans claim that "ME2 is not a RPG but a shooter", and then Diablo 3 is mentioned as the great upcoming RPG.

[MIke_18]

slimgrin wrote...

MIke_18 wrote...

Oh really?

Illusive man : The Whole galaxy has gone to hell and there's only one man that can save it. Get me Sheppard.

DA II : The whole world has gone to hell and theres only one man to save it. Get me Hawke.

And in both the main focus will be the character quests, or loyalty quests right?

I'm not a troll i love The Witcher and Dragon Age, but you can't deny how much recycling BIoware does and how poor the quality of the writing is (Giant terminator pumped with human goo)

The ending of ME2 is not a high point in their story telling, true. But Bioware has always specialized in writing unique companions to the pc, and quite frankly I don't think they've written a bad one yet ( although Ogren may change my mind on that) In fact, if you look at the diversity of personalities in their games its pretty amazing.

They have established a reputation in the industry for great writing, especially when compared to the drivel that gets tossed out in most AAA releases.

I don't know how a selling point of a game can be the imaginary conversations you're having with fictional characters, but whatever, if people love it i guess it's fine. I don't find anything appealing in it, especially when the main storyline feels so generic and cliched.

If you want a game with "real belivable" characters check out Enslaved.

[AtreiyaN7]

MIke_18 wrote...

It wasn't a reductionist argument they were quotes from ME2 and from the DA II  trailer. 

Bann Duncan wrote...

What I don't understand, though, is how The Witcher is less 'dumbed down'. Most of the things that people are complaining about in DA2 are present in The Witcher, sometimes moreso.

The Witcher was an action RPG from the start, it wasn't touted to be this  generations Baldurs Gate 2, and it didn't sell out the fanbase just so they can appeal to casual players, in fact Witcher 2 is greatly improved with many features added instead of taken out.

One aRPG is okay, but the other (alleged) aRPG is not, simply because the first game in the series was more classical in its approach? I guess in your worldview, no game series is allowed to ever change and must always be exactly the same as its predecessor in terms of genre definitions - or else! Well that was an absolutely compelling argument that you made.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 07 novembre 2010 - 11:14 .

[upsettingshorts]

I was going to post a "don't feed the troll" picture here, but then realized I've been guilty of feeding trolls on numerous occasions. So in an effort not to be totally hypocritical my advice is feed the troll or don't, the choice is yours!

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 07 novembre 2010 - 11:13 .

[Pedrak]

MIke_18 wrote...

I don't know how a selling point of a game can be the imaginary conversations you're having with fictional characters, but whatever, if people love it i guess it's fine. I don't find anything appealing in it, especially when the main storyline feels so generic and cliched.

As opposed to what? Imaginary fights with fictional enemies or imaginary adventures in a fictional world with a fictional history? Or the management of your imaginary, fictional stronghold?  I'm not trying to be an ass, just wondering. To say that one prefers the focus on story rather than on characters is one thing, but this kind of reasoning undermines the whole purpose of gaming.

And of fiction in general.

Modifié par Pedrak, 07 novembre 2010 - 11:21 .

[slimgrin]

MIke_18 wrote...

I don't know how a selling point of a game can be the imaginary conversations you're having with fictional characters, but whatever, 

Thats one of the biggest aspects of The Witcher series, discovering the story through conversations with fictional characters. Same with DA. No matter, I've got my nitpicks with both games, really.

And while we're on the topic of dumbing things down, go ask cd projekt why the hell they put QTE's in their upcoming game...irks me to no end.

Edit: the topic should just be locked.

Modifié par slimgrin, 07 novembre 2010 - 11:19 .

[Fortlowe]

MIke_18 wrote...


I don't know how a selling point of a game can be the imaginary conversations you're having with fictional characters, but whatever, if people love it i guess it's fine. I don't find anything appealing in it, especially when the main storyline feels so generic and cliched.

If you want a game with "real belivable" characters check out Enslaved.

 Wait a minute. You must be sleepy. You just said you can't respect a videogame with imaginary characters. Then you suggested another game with more imaginary characters. Hell, now I'm  sleepy.

[Shepard Lives]

I do so love how we're all engaged in conversation with a guy who created his account today.

[Quercus]

Hey, a new TW2 vs DA2 thread. Was this 1 made for me? How cute =3.

But on serious note, from what I've seen and learn of both games so far, I believe TW2 will be the better game, A better Dialogue system where I can see what I say, a fixed combat, different approaches to complete a chapter with its own consequences (see the prison break walkthrough), better graphics, ect (don't anyone think "ect." is annoying, like there are a s***load other things? yet I put it there simply because I can't think of any more xD).

But still, I believe DA2 will be a fun game to play, probably will score above 8,5 with many critics.
So I will definitely buy it, even if it has a lot of ME2 flavour. Also, I don't think Bioware is focusing that much on RPGs anymore, and kinda make a new genre. Like a Companion Game perhaps?

P.S. I gave this thread a 5/5 rating just to pull the head instead of the tail =3.

Modifié par Shiroukai, 07 novembre 2010 - 11:23 .

[MIke_18]

I was talking about CONVERSATIONS. You can chose to be nice or be an ****, and if you're nice they will have sex with you. How can that be the main point of the game? What happened to the engaging gameplay and combat. "I want to get that done with so i can see what happens next" what the hell.





The whole combat in Witcher was a quick time event, so I'm not bothered by this.

[Rykoth]

MIke_18 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

MIke_18 wrote...

Oh really?

Illusive man : The Whole galaxy has gone to hell and there's only one man that can save it. Get me Sheppard.

DA II : The whole world has gone to hell and theres only one man to save it. Get me Hawke.

And in both the main focus will be the character quests, or loyalty quests right?

I'm not a troll i love The Witcher and Dragon Age, but you can't deny how much recycling BIoware does and how poor the quality of the writing is (Giant terminator pumped with human goo)

The ending of ME2 is not a high point in their story telling, true. But Bioware has always specialized in writing unique companions to the pc, and quite frankly I don't think they've written a bad one yet ( although Ogren may change my mind on that) In fact, if you look at the diversity of personalities in their games its pretty amazing.

They have established a reputation in the industry for great writing, especially when compared to the drivel that gets tossed out in most AAA releases.

I don't know how a selling point of a game can be the imaginary conversations you're having with fictional characters, but whatever, if people love it i guess it's fine. I don't find anything appealing in it, especially when the main storyline feels so generic and cliched.

If you want a game with "real belivable" characters check out Enslaved.

This right here is someone who doesn't understand what a roleplaying game is.

Sounds like one of those MMO players who'd probably make fun of roleplayers on the roleplaying servers because he doesn't understand "why people would pay 15 bucks of month to type ****."

Roleplaying is part of storytelling, this includes a single player RPG where you foster relationships between your character, and the characters around you. The difference between say, DA:O, DA2, or even Mass Effect... and that of a novel/tv show/movie... is that when it comes time for the main character to speak.... you decide what's said.

And quite frankly, there's nothing wrong with an ME type dialogue system. Why shouldn't two great franchises share certain features at times?

I think people just want something to **** at, and that you, and the OP will end up playing DA2 anyway. God forbid you're actually patient, and give it a chance.

[Descara]

Damn it, all these Witcher fans are almost making me unconsciously hate TW, even though I quite liked it.


Also, damn you on the last page who mentioned Troika. Now I have to nostalgia over Arcanum all day.

[MIke_18]

Rykoth wrote...

MIke_18 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

MIke_18 wrote...

Oh really?

Illusive man : The Whole galaxy has gone to hell and there's only one man that can save it. Get me Sheppard.

DA II : The whole world has gone to hell and theres only one man to save it. Get me Hawke.

And in both the main focus will be the character quests, or loyalty quests right?

I'm not a troll i love The Witcher and Dragon Age, but you can't deny how much recycling BIoware does and how poor the quality of the writing is (Giant terminator pumped with human goo)

The ending of ME2 is not a high point in their story telling, true. But Bioware has always specialized in writing unique companions to the pc, and quite frankly I don't think they've written a bad one yet ( although Ogren may change my mind on that) In fact, if you look at the diversity of personalities in their games its pretty amazing.

They have established a reputation in the industry for great writing, especially when compared to the drivel that gets tossed out in most AAA releases.

I don't know how a selling point of a game can be the imaginary conversations you're having with fictional characters, but whatever, if people love it i guess it's fine. I don't find anything appealing in it, especially when the main storyline feels so generic and cliched.

If you want a game with "real belivable" characters check out Enslaved.

This right here is someone who doesn't understand what a roleplaying game is.

Sounds like one of those MMO players who'd probably make fun of roleplayers on the roleplaying servers because he doesn't understand "why people would pay 15 bucks of month to type ****."

Roleplaying is part of storytelling, this includes a single player RPG where you foster relationships between your character, and the characters around you. The difference between say, DA:O, DA2, or even Mass Effect... and that of a novel/tv show/movie... is that when it comes time for the main character to speak.... you decide what's said.

And quite frankly, there's nothing wrong with an ME type dialogue system. Why shouldn't two great franchises share certain features at times?

I think people just want something to **** at, and that you, and the OP will end up playing DA2 anyway. God forbid you're actually patient, and give it a chance.

I'm sorry bud, you have no ***** idea what  role playing is. 

It's about relying on your characters skills and stats instead of your own twitch skills. It's not about bloated conversation options.

[AT_Field]

And nothing of value was lost.