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[mousestalker]

Playing a Dalish through Witch Hunt is rather nice. You get some special dialogue from Ariane.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Since Morrigan seems to be an important character in the franchise, being a male who romanced her might offer a more complete perspective on the Morrigan / change storyline in the future (at least hopefully), as the OGB could be our child and we can follow Morrigan through the mirror.

However, this is more post-Origins and it might not even matter. Still, the Morrigan romance adds a new dimension to the DR. But I wouldn't say being a male offers a more complete playthrough, no. Gender differences might add something more to specific subplots, but that's mostly it.

A female romancing Alistair and having him do the DR is connected to the greater lore story in another way, though, through the Theirin connection.  Poor old dad had to go into Flemeth's hut, poor Alistair has to wade through Morrigan's swamp.  And you'll always have a personal connection to the OGB, too.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...
A female romancing Alistair and having him do the DR is connected to the greater lore story in another way, though, through the Theirin connection.  Poor old dad had to go into Flemeth's hut, poor Alistair has to wade through Morrigan's swamp.  And you'll always have a personal connection to the OGB, too.

Yes, but since only a male romance can actually follow Morrigan into the mirror, I would think that he would have a greater connection to the future storyline. At least that's the hope, chances are it won't matter much.  
Also, the OGB being your own son is slightly closer than him being the son of a loved one.

But yea of course, a female can still be connected to the big picture and can be close friends with Morrigan.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
A female romancing Alistair and having him do the DR is connected to the greater lore story in another way, though, through the Theirin connection.  Poor old dad had to go into Flemeth's hut, poor Alistair has to wade through Morrigan's swamp.  And you'll always have a personal connection to the OGB, too.

Yes, but since only a male romance can actually follow Morrigan into the mirror, I would think that he would have a greater connection to the future storyline. At least that's the hope, chances are it won't matter much.  
Also, the OGB being your own son is slightly closer than him being the son of a loved one.

But yea of course, a female can still be connected to the big picture and can be close friends with Morrigan.

Is that true?  I was thinking I actually got an option to follow Morrigan into the mirror as a friend, too.  Hmm.

Anyway, you're still pretty connected to the OGB.  If my husband had a child, especially one that I put him up to making , it would always be my business.

[wickedgoodreed]

As a friend, you're given the option to ask to join her, but Morrigan turns you down.

Following Morrigan into the mirror is what has finally motivated me to follow through with a male warden, actually. I've tried starting one a few times before and never made it past the origin for some reason... But I'm curious enough to see what might happen, and I really like Morrigan so hopefully romancing her will be interesting (even though the idea of it kind of weirds me out a little bit since she's always been more like a sister to most of my previous wardens...).

Modifié par wickedgoodreed, 07 novembre 2010 - 10:46 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...
Is that true?  I was thinking I actually got an option to follow Morrigan into the mirror as a friend, too.  Hmm.

Anyway, you're still pretty connected to the OGB.  If my husband had a child, especially one that I put him up to making , it would always be my business.

Yea, only a male romance can follow her.

Of course it would be. But who would be closer? The father or you? Especially if the father did the DR willingly and loves Morrigan?
I would say the father, as he has to deal with the OGB and Morrigan at the same time in a pseudo-family.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 07 novembre 2010 - 10:50 .

[Raelis25]

I'm only going through my second playthrough, but I've played through all the origin stories, and it seems the game is geared toward a Cousland PC who romances either Morrigan or Alistair. I must admit I somewhat irrationally resent the Human Noble origin because of it (stupid, I know) because it's not my favorite by far, but I felt like I was missing out on something when I played my City Elf, and I'm feeling the same way right now, with my Mage. Also, I prefer the Zevran and Leliana romances (although I love Ali and Morri very much), so I can't help but feel that I play against the way that the game sort of pushes me to play.



I agree with those who feel that the game favors Rogues, and I did not feel gender made much of a difference... well, except the fact that HNF can basically get the most 'rewarding' ending in the game (become Queen and marry her love interest).

[Zjarcal]

wickedgoodreed wrote...

As a friend, you're given the option to ask to join her, but Morrigan turns you down.

Following Morrigan into the mirror is what has finally motivated me to follow through with a male warden, actually. I've tried starting one a few times before and never made it past the origin for some reason... But I'm curious enough to see what might happen, and I really like Morrigan so hopefully romancing her will be interesting (even though the idea of it kind of weirds me out a little bit since she's always been more like a sister to most of my previous wardens...).

Hehe, the idea weirds me out as well! To go from "sister" to lover... 

I really hated how a friend couldn't follow her too. Not that I would've done it, but it would've been nice to have that option (without it being turned down).

[wickedgoodreed]

Raelis25 wrote...
Also, I prefer the Zevran and Leliana romances (although I love Ali and Morri very much), so I can't help but feel that I play against the way that the game sort of pushes me to play.

Yeah, I definitely felt like the game was pushing me to romance Alistair. There's a romance starter in practically every conversation a female warden can have with him. It's almost impossible to avoid. I suppose it's because the most major events of the end of the game would be much more emotionally resonant if I had, but eh...It's one of a few reasons that I've had a hard time ever warming up to his character, even though I know I shouldn't hold it against the poor guy.

Zjarcal wrote...
Hehe, the idea weirds me out as well! To go from "sister" to lover... [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie]

I really hated how a friend couldn't follow her too. Not that I would've done it, but it would've been nice to have that option (without it being turned down).

I hated that too! There was one warden in particular that it would have been really in character for, but ah well...hence the male warden, I guess.

I'm still pretty early on in the game, and it's almost shocking to me how different some of the conversations with her feel! I'm definitely seeing a different side to her...whether I'll come to regret my curiousity or not remains to be seen. I'm thinking the "tis cold in my tent" convo might be a deal breaker if I ever get to it xD...

Modifié par wickedgoodreed, 07 novembre 2010 - 11:24 .

[FellowerOfOdin]

Male Human Noble warrior.

[ejoslin]

wickedgoodreed wrote...

Yeah, I definitely felt like the game was pushing me to romance Alistair. There's a romance starter in practically every conversation a female warden can have with him. It's almost impossible to avoid. I suppose it's because the most major events of the end of the game would be much more emotionally resonant if I had, but eh...It's one of a few reasons that I've had a hard time ever warming up to his character, even though I know I shouldn't hold it against the poor guy.

It is very easy to turn off the romance with Alistair, permanently, and never turn it back on.  You quit getting the romance starter lines.  Zevran also has a romance starter line in most of his conversations -- you can do the exact same thing though, just let him know you're not interested, and they go away.  I think it's just the way males romance in the game.

I think the epilogue card for a fem warden in a political marriage with Alistair is actually a bit more positive -- she's viewed as the new ruler and savior of Ferelden.

Modifié par ejoslin, 08 novembre 2010 - 01:18 .

[DWSmiley]

wickedgoodreed wrote...

I'm still pretty early on in the game, and it's almost shocking to me how different some of the conversations with her feel! I'm definitely seeing a different side to her...whether I'll come to regret my curiousity or not remains to be seen. I'm thinking the "tis cold in my tent" convo might be a deal breaker if I ever get to it xD...

You can gently turn her down in that conversation and keep the romance alive with only -1 disapporval.  Later you can use the same line on her.  It gets an amusing response and 'tis a nicer start to sexy time, imo. 

Modifié par DWSmiley, 08 novembre 2010 - 02:48 .

[wickedgoodreed]

ejoslin wrote...

wickedgoodreed wrote...

Yeah, I definitely felt like the game was pushing me to romance Alistair. There's a romance starter in practically every conversation a female warden can have with him. It's almost impossible to avoid. I suppose it's because the most major events of the end of the game would be much more emotionally resonant if I had, but eh...It's one of a few reasons that I've had a hard time ever warming up to his character, even though Iknow I shouldn't hold it against the poor guy.

It is very easy to turn off the romance with Alistair, permanently, and never turn it back on.  You quit getting the romance starter lines.  Zevran also has a romance starter line in most of his conversations -- you can do the exact same thing though, just let him know you're not interested, and they go away.  I think it's just the way males romance in the game.

True. I went through several playthroughs before I figured that out though, since, at least with Alistair, it's hidden behind dialogue choices I would never think to select if I'm trying to avoid the topic of romancing him. I have to have an incredibly awkward (at least imo) conversation about whether he's ever had sex (why would I ask him this??) and then follow up on him calling me beautiful, which, again, seems like an out of character choice to me.

ejoslin wrote...
I think the epilogue card for a fem warden in a political marriage with Alistair is actually a bit more positive -- she's viewed as the new ruler and savior of Ferelden.

Sorry if I was unclear. I wasn't trying to say that you have to have a romance with him in order to get a good outcome to the story, but more that the big decisions you have to make towards the end of the game (at the Landsmeet, the dark ritual or who kills the archdemon) would be much more emotionally involved and impactful if the warden was in a romance with Alistair. At least that's what I'd imagine and what I've gathered from reading other players' experiences on the forums. So it made sense to me that it felt like maybe the game might be subtly (or not so subtly) nudging players to romance him in order to get that gut-wrenching experience and more personal connection to the storyline. But, it's just as likely that that's all just in my head xD...

Modifié par wickedgoodreed, 08 novembre 2010 - 04:13 .

[wickedgoodreed]

DWSmiley wrote...

wickedgoodreed wrote...

I'm still pretty early on in the game, and it's almost shocking to me how different some of the conversations with her feel! I'm definitely seeing a different side to her...whether I'll come to regret my curiousity or not remains to be seen. I'm thinking the "tis cold in my tent" convo might be a deal breaker if I ever get to it xD...

You can gently turn her down in that conversation and keep the romance alive with only -1 disapporval.  Later you can use the same line on her.  It gets an amusing response and 'tis a nicer start to sexy time, imo. 

Oh, thanks for the tip! That definitely sounds like the way to go.

[Tigress M]

Sarah1281 wrote...
I'm just glad I can't recall any locked chests in the mage origin because that would be mean. It was already killing me when I tried to play a HN warrior and couldn't get into half of the rooms in Castle Cousland (XBox, tragically).

Nope, there aren't any in the Mage origin.  I usually play a Rogue and sorely noticed the inability to pick locks when playing a Warrior, but was relieved to find they didn't lock the chests in the tower.  That would have been mean indeed!

[Liliandra Nadiar]

I think the Mage has the broadest connections to most of the game. Mage's home is one of the major quests, depending on how religious they are puts the connection to the Urn, the lack of mage-hate in Orzammar would be appealing I bet, same with the Dalish (more so if they're an elven mage) and several events in Denerim would strike cords with one (Blood Mage hideout, how the Alienage is viewed).

About the only draw to being a Human Noble is the chance to gain the throne and a more visceral connection to the Howes. You'd think that Redcliff would be a strong connection, but my noble got treated almost identically as the city elf, the mage, the casteless and the Dalish. Maybe two lines different/added. It's like you're Tyern Cousland's dirty secret to the rest of the nobility.

[Elhanan]

I believe the Human Noble Warrior is the best primary story, with Dwarven Noble Warrior being a close second.

That said, they are all good. My least favorite is the Dalish Origin, but it gets better as one continues into the game, and has one of the better conclusions.

[Corker]

mousestalker wrote...

Playing a Dalish through Witch Hunt is rather nice rocks on toast. You get some special dialogue from Ariane.

Fixed it for you.

I did not expect to enjoy my Dalish rogue nearly as much as I did.  Not sure why I found alienated, lonely and bitter fun, but I did.  But it did feel sort of unfinished.  'Witch Hunt' offers the kind of closure to a Dalish Warden that I don't think any other origin gets without a mod - one of your companions asks about your experiences and offers compassionate sympathy!  Something like three times!

I played WH first with my WC Cousland, and thought it was 'eh.'  Playing it with a Dalish more than justified the purchase price.

[Annarl]

I think the Human Noble fits the best with the overall game story. But all the origins add interesting elements to the game.