Has anyone else noticed a lot people seemingly going through the 5 stages of grief in regard to DA2 and how much it differentiates from DAO and how similar it is to ME2? First I sort of noticed it myself but now I'm seeing it in a lot the prominent forumites here.
First news came out like "Press a button and something AWESOME HAPPENS!" and "Think like a gerneral, fight like a Spartan!" and people just attributed it to a goofy marketing department and wrote it off. Surely they wouldn't tamper with our beloved DAO in such a way.
Then the terrible marketing lines started to permiate our minds and the game was looking more and more like an action game and not a tactical RPG. Not to mention a few devs made mention of the top-down view being gone and replaced by a less encompassing view and people started flipping out. Like crazy.
Then tons of people started pumping devs for questions, trying to find a middle ground and acting as though they could change the game because they asked very politely(or not politely at all in some cases).
Then everyone started acting like we were the victims of some great cosmic injustice, like we were being punished for enjoying Origins too much. The other shoe had dropped.
Now a lot of people are starting to accept that DA2 is obviously pretty different from Origins and has a lot in common with ME2 and we either play it or don't.
It's really stange.
The 5 stages of DA2 grief
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 02:27
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I suppose I'm still in denial as I see a number of differences between the series. I see DA:O with:
1) Faster gameplay
2) Unique companion armor
3) Full VO
4) New conversation interface
5) New skill interface
For me, none of those where the definition features of the Dragon Age series. They certainly don't make a fantasy tactical, party-based RPG into science fiction shooter RPG.
1) Faster gameplay
2) Unique companion armor
3) Full VO
4) New conversation interface
5) New skill interface
For me, none of those where the definition features of the Dragon Age series. They certainly don't make a fantasy tactical, party-based RPG into science fiction shooter RPG.
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 02:34
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...Well, I don't know, I don't think I ever remember anyone writing anything off. I would say that the situation was much worse earlier on, what with people hating on Hawke for being a non-Warden peasant. And silly questions like "Why should I care about Hawke?" being asked (Well, why the hell did you care about the Warden?). The Destiny trailer came out and a lot of people shut up.
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 02:38
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 03:02
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Eh, plenty of more "Oldschoolish" RPG's this year and next. I'm playing Drakensang 2 now, and will be getting the Witcher 2 when it releases, I'm ok with DAO being a button mashing action RPG, as long as it's a good one,(and it loos like it's going to be). True it's a bit disappointing considering what the first game was, people just need to move on and support different dev teams if they can't get over it I guess.
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 03:17
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relhart wrote...
Eh, plenty of more "Oldschoolish" RPG's this year and next. I'm playing Drakensang 2 now, and will be getting the Witcher 2 when it releases, I'm ok with DAO being a button mashing action RPG, as long as it's a good one,(and it loos like it's going to be). True it's a bit disappointing considering what the first game was, people just need to move on and support different dev teams if they can't get over it I guess.
I'll be getting The Witcher 2 but don't call it old school. The new combat system is a lot more action oriented and I'm really looking forward to it. Not to sure about them using QTE (Quick Time Events) in boss fights but it could work out. And DA is still auto-attack.
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 03:23
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Maybe all the people who were complaining simply left the forums to avoid furthrer disappointment ?
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 03:25
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MIke_18 wrote...
Maybe all the people who were complaining simply left the forums to avoid furthrer disappointment ?
That's why I don't post on the TOR boards, but I assure you, there are tons of complainers still here.
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 03:26
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It's odd to me how a some forumites are saying how DA2 changes the 'franchise' of Dragon Age. We know it's going to be one, but DA2 doesn't really give it anymore specific things to point to than Origins did. If all Dragon Age games play similar, we'll all get bored. I'd rather look at the story elements, the characters, and the world that changes and say, "Yeah, that's Dragon Age." Rather than with gameplay terms like action rpg and tactial rpg.
Change is a scary thing though, and I admit I'm not able to really understand the feelings of the others who don't like these changes. I'm all for trying a lot of new things in the 2nd game. For all we know, DA3 may bring the Warden back and be Origins meets Demon Souls. Watch how badly people freak out over that.
Change is a scary thing though, and I admit I'm not able to really understand the feelings of the others who don't like these changes. I'm all for trying a lot of new things in the 2nd game. For all we know, DA3 may bring the Warden back and be Origins meets Demon Souls. Watch how badly people freak out over that.
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 03:28
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I'm pretty sure Gaider made a post at one point paradying the 5 stages of grief for the forumite. It was pretty funny. I'll try and find it.
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 03:50
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ErichHartmann wrote...
relhart wrote...
Eh, plenty of more "Oldschoolish" RPG's this year and next. I'm playing Drakensang 2 now, and will be getting the Witcher 2 when it releases, I'm ok with DAO being a button mashing action RPG, as long as it's a good one,(and it loos like it's going to be). True it's a bit disappointing considering what the first game was, people just need to move on and support different dev teams if they can't get over it I guess.
I'll be getting The Witcher 2 but don't call it old school. The new combat system is a lot more action oriented and I'm really looking forward to it. Not to sure about them using QTE (Quick Time Events) in boss fights but it could work out. And DA is still auto-attack.
You could be right, I havn't been folowing it much since I already knew I would be buying it. In the first one I made an alchemy/sign based character though, for the very reason that I didn't like the clicky combo system with swordplay, hopefully they kept the option to build a character like that for a more tactical playstyle.
I was refering more to the fact that a good number of the quests in that game didn't involve going around stabbing stuff in the face, the detective work in the second chapter for instance. It's no Ultima though I will concede, just the best of more mainstream dev teams still making RPG's.
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 04:50
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I was thinking this the other day, actually. Pretty sure that resignation/acceptance isn't really the end stage that marketers dream of when people think of their product. That and by dribbling out the bad news the way they have, they keep sending me back to stage one over and over. It really says something about how much I liked DA:O that I'm even considering still buying this. Most games that I feel so...entirely not good about wouldn't even be a possibility.
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 05:04
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Dragon Age 2 is no ME2. It's not like it is continuing the Warden's story. If it deviates too far from the original people may have no problem simply not buying it. Bioware should keep that in mind if they decide to remake a franchise that lacks the true sequel/continuity factor. The DA DLC was the sequel.
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 05:50
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I'm with errant_knight on this one. I am vastly disappointed with what I've seen on DA:2. As I've stated before some change is great, but DA2 sorta seems like a reboot, and the fact it's becoming a closeer cousin of ME2 really does nothing for me. Anyway, a healthy does of change mixed with continuity is awesome, but at this point it seems they have gone far overboard. I do like the premise of the game, and the fact it covers ten years, but it will probably be a long while after it's released that I end up purchasing DA2, if I do at all. With all these changes in such a short development time it seems like they're throwing almost anything at the wall without much forethought.
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 05:51
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errant_knight wrote...
I was thinking this the other day, actually. Pretty sure that resignation/acceptance isn't really the end stage that marketers dream of when people think of their product. That and by dribbling out the bad news the way they have, they keep sending me back to stage one over and over. It really says something about how much I liked DA:O that I'm even considering still buying this. Most games that I feel so...entirely not good about wouldn't even be a possibility.
It's pretty clear by now that the marketers aren't interested in you at all. As that Orzammar merchant says, they'll still take your money; you're good for that.
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Darkhour wrote...
Dragon Age 2 is no ME2. It's not like it is continuing the Warden's story. If it deviates too far from the original people may have no problem simply not buying it. Bioware should keep that in mind if they decide to remake a franchise that lacks the true sequel/continuity factor. The DA DLC was the sequel.
I was late coming to DA:O (and the DA forum), so I never saw any of the preamble. (Although I recall the early trailer, many years ago.) My guess was Fereldon was merely a small part of the Dragon Age world (or franchise). Admittedly, the play through of DA:O did give a strong sense of a story to be continued, but I'd never have guessed it would involve Flemeth. And the DLC wasn't really a bridge to DA2.
Was it expressed that DA:O would be the first of a continuing series and that DA2 was supposed to be the sequel or continuation of the Warden's story? Or was it that Dragon Age would be a collection of stories? (As I recall, Mass Effect was originally noted as the first installment of a trilogy.)
The Wikipedia entry says: "Set in the mythical kingdom of Ferelden during a period of civil strife, the player assumes the role of a warrior, mage or rogue who must unite the kingdom to fight an impending invasion by demonic forces. BioWare describes Dragon Age: Origins as a "dark heroic fantasy set in a unique world", and a spiritual successor to their Baldur's Gate series of games, which took place in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise."
The DA:O package says, " from the maker of Mass Effect™ comes The Dark Fantasy Epic. You are a Grey Warden, one of the last of a legendary order of guardians. With the return of an ancient foe and the kingdom engulfed in civil war, you have been chosen by fate to unit the shattered lands and slay the archdemon once and for all."
The DA:O manual says, "Dragon Age: Origins is a modern re-imagination of an epic party-based fantasy role playing game, dense with story and tactical combat. Because Dragon Age: Origins doesn't shy from that complex heritage, there's a lot to know..." No suggestion of a sequel.
The 'slay the archdemon once and for all' might be a vague suggestion of additional games or just a marketing blurb.
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 06:00
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The whole "spiritual successor" thing is the house of cards upon which many arguments on this forum are built. Even if you blow it over, they just rebuild it and keep using it.
Marketing is nonsense when it doesn't suit them and everything when it becomes the foundation of their views.
That second comment applies to an even broader subset of fans than the first one does.
Marketing is nonsense when it doesn't suit them and everything when it becomes the foundation of their views.
That second comment applies to an even broader subset of fans than the first one does.
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 06:26
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I can't argue with that. Wish I could.AlanC9 wrote...
errant_knight wrote...
I was thinking this the other day, actually. Pretty sure that resignation/acceptance isn't really the end stage that marketers dream of when people think of their product. That and by dribbling out the bad news the way they have, they keep sending me back to stage one over and over. It really says something about how much I liked DA:O that I'm even considering still buying this. Most games that I feel so...entirely not good about wouldn't even be a possibility.
It's pretty clear by now that the marketers aren't interested in you at all. As that Orzammar merchant says, they'll still take your money; you're good for that.
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 07:35
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I'm still a bit miffed with the choice to remove armour : /
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 07:56
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aaniadyen wrote...
I'm pretty sure Gaider made a post at one point paradying the 5 stages of grief for the forumite. It was pretty funny. I'll try and find it.
No one is safe from that man's wit.
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 07:57
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errant_knight wrote...
I can't argue with that. Wish I could.AlanC9 wrote...
errant_knight wrote...
I was thinking this the other day, actually. Pretty sure that resignation/acceptance isn't really the end stage that marketers dream of when people think of their product. That and by dribbling out the bad news the way they have, they keep sending me back to stage one over and over. It really says something about how much I liked DA:O that I'm even considering still buying this. Most games that I feel so...entirely not good about wouldn't even be a possibility.
It's pretty clear by now that the marketers aren't interested in you at all. As that Orzammar merchant says, they'll still take your money; you're good for that.
When that came up, I thought of the quote from Pol in the Dalish Origin - "Coin is the great equalizer, not freedom." I think those quotes you all had were better. Either way, I'll still get DA2 along with DW7 and I'll most likely enjoy both.
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 08:41
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Sometimes I think Morrigan in Witch Hunt was speaking on Bioware's behalf when it comes to DA2.
(Dialogue is hardly a spoiler, read at your own peril)
Flemeth once told me that temptation lies in the forbidden. "Do not follow me,"
I said. Harder words I have never spoken. Some doors should never be re-opened.
Change is coming to the world. Many fear change and will fight it with every fiber of their being.
But sometimes change is what they need most. Sometimes change is what sets them free.
I cannot tarry longer. The time has come for me to go.
(End of potentially harmful spoilers that could hurt some poor and vulnerable Dragon Age fan)
We were all warned by Morrigan, you heard it from me first.
That is if you bought the dlc : Witch Hunt, if you did not, you are a terrible person who needs to be put to the torch.
(Dialogue is hardly a spoiler, read at your own peril)
Flemeth once told me that temptation lies in the forbidden. "Do not follow me,"
I said. Harder words I have never spoken. Some doors should never be re-opened.
Change is coming to the world. Many fear change and will fight it with every fiber of their being.
But sometimes change is what they need most. Sometimes change is what sets them free.
I cannot tarry longer. The time has come for me to go.
(End of potentially harmful spoilers that could hurt some poor and vulnerable Dragon Age fan)
We were all warned by Morrigan, you heard it from me first.
That is if you bought the dlc : Witch Hunt, if you did not, you are a terrible person who needs to be put to the torch.
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 09:09
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Dodok wrote...
Sometimes I think Morrigan in Witch Hunt was speaking on Bioware's behalf when it comes to DA2.
(Dialogue is hardly a spoiler, read at your own peril)
Flemeth once told me that temptation lies in the forbidden. "Do not follow me,"
I said. Harder words I have never spoken. Some doors should never be re-opened.
Change is coming to the world. Many fear change and will fight it with every fiber of their being.
But sometimes change is what they need most. Sometimes change is what sets them free.
I cannot tarry longer. The time has come for me to go.
(End of potentially harmful spoilers that could hurt some poor and vulnerable Dragon Age fan)
We were all warned by Morrigan, you heard it from me first.
That is if you bought the dlc : Witch Hunt, if you did not, you are a terrible person who needs to be put to the torch.
Whew! Glad I'm not the only one who thought that!
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 09:16
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Upsettingshorts wrote...
MIke_18 wrote...
Maybe all the people who were complaining simply left the forums to avoid furthrer disappointment ?
That's why I don't post on the TOR boards, but I assure you, there are tons of complainers still here.
I feel your pain.
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Posté 07 novembre 2010 - 09:19
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I thought the Witcher was even more actiony than DA2. While in DA2 we have different abilities, pause and command and no combos, The Witcher has combos, mostly useless pause and click to attack. Plus less armor and sword variation.relhart wrote...
Eh, plenty of more "Oldschoolish" RPG's this year and next. I'm playing Drakensang 2 now, and will be getting the Witcher 2 when it releases, I'm ok with DAO being a button mashing action RPG, as long as it's a good one,(and it loos like it's going to be). True it's a bit disappointing considering what the first game was, people just need to move on and support different dev teams if they can't get over it I guess.
