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[Bat0u07]

Hi all,

I bought the game as soon as it was released with stone prisonner and finished it a couple of time at that time,

Instead of playing it all over again for each DLC released I decided to wait until yesterday where I basically activated all the DLC and started a new final playthrough.

So It was that I went for a nightmare human noble 2hand weidler and am looking for the right companion where 2 came obvious but I cannot decide myself on the third. Maybe other players could give me an advice having in mind that I am not looking for the character that will optimise the group but the one who will make the playthrough more interesting...

So the ones I will be going with are:
- Morrigan (cause I like having a mage in the group)
- Zevran (cause I like having someone to open locks and I had lelianna in all my other playthrough so I go bored)
(don't really like zevran as he really looks too girly for me but the only other option Leliana, in addition to have an unintereesting personality; I ve just played her too much already)

The ones I will not take with me for sure:
- Wynne, because I tried and I grow sooo bored
- Sten, because I had him with Morrigan and I heard their dialog so many times already...
- Lelianna, had her on 2 playthrough already and an uninteresting character

It leaves:
- the stone prisonner, which I quite like, but he is overpowered and tend to unbalance the game and I had it already 1 time
- ogren but I had him on my last playthrough and I will get a bit bored
- dog, never played it really as I don't expect great discussions with him
- alistair, never played it either but he is so stupid it hurts to play with and I cannot resist to mock him and make him unhappy alot.

So if anyone having experienced a playthrough with these character could recommend me which 3rd to take with me (again for making the game interesting, not easier), Iit would be very nice.

We have not been very gifted with companions during Origin with one Sheboy, one Overstupid, one happy bunny, one drunkyard, one overmotherly witch and one dog limited in conversation. I think only Morrigan, Stern and the golem had interesting personalities which are neither too "cliché", or boringly predictable.

[cJohnOne]

Zevran isn't good at openning chests. I think he's high in Dexterity. But maybe fun anyway. You seem firm in your opinions so it's hard to advise but you could use a tank with this group.

[termokanden]

1. I agree that Zevran is bad at opening locks. He starts out with low cunning and zero points in Deft Hands. It can be fixed, but it takes a while.



2. I don't think Zevran is uninteresting. Even if you don't care for his personality, his accent is awesome. I personally think some of the stories he can tell are quite interesting, particularly the one about the "traitor". It gave him some more depth, and it was pretty sad too

[Bat0u07]

Yeah I just pass the moment where I add Zevran to my crew and had the good surprise of finding 0 in lockpicking and low cunning. He will hence wait for 2-3 levels until I get him +9 cunning and +3 chest openning. Bit a waste but no real choice, I finished 3 times with lelianna and that's enough of happy bunnies.

My plan is going for 2h templar/champion with 100% spell res etc... with Morrigan used in a defensive way (more CC, heal, haste) and Zevran as personnal can openners - no envy to micro anyone, even in nightmare, and I m pretty confident that tactics alone will suffice,


Now rest the big question: Morrigan, Zevran and ????

As the 4th character is bonus, I will reformulate my question as follow:

Which of Dog, Shale, Ogren or Alistair will make the playthrough with Zevran and Morrigan the most interesting ?

I have read that Ogren+Zevran made wonderful chats and pretty sure that Morrigan will be fascinated by Ogren too . Shale might not bring anything (as he is DLC), dog either for obvious reason and Alistair... well... don't seem too fun ?

Modifié par Bat0u07, 08 novembre 2010 - 12:18 .

[termokanden]

I'd say go with Shale. From the way you're talking about Shale, it's obvious you haven't quite heard the whole story yet (don't ask what I mean, play the game with Shale and take another look at your post). Even though it is a DLC character, they did actually put some banter in there as well.



Shale is quite a good tank and has a personal quest as well. Yeah, I vote Shale for sure

[Liliandra Nadiar]

Shale is also a very useful tank and buffing set. The party banter comments between Shale and the others tend to be very amusing to.

[Bat0u07]

termokanden wrote...

, it's obvious you haven't quite heard the whole story yet (

Oh she does have both an interesting and amusing story. My only worry was that her side talks with Morrigan and Zevran might be less developped than say Zevran or Morrigan with Ogren or Morrigan.

And I also agree; Shale is an awesome tank/

[Ferretinabun]

Well abilities aside, you're obviously more interested in party banter and interesting charcters.
Alistair and Morrigan have a lot of good banter. They were basically written as foils for each other. There's nothing they can agree on, though which makes for an interesting playthrough. When it comes to moral choices in the game, you can never please them both, but that's not such a problem with Alistair because, unlike with other companions, you can never get his approval so low that he'll actually leave you. Some people find him a bit whiny though.
Personally I think Shale is hilarious. Very dry and with low-burning malice. And with Morrigan and Zevran, your party is going to be VERY morally grey - they'll all approve of you making the, well, 'less nice' decisions. And if you find Shale makes the game too easy, limit yourself - only use the weakest crystals, or spec Shale for her archery skills and use her as an archer...
Oghren's humour is very sleazy. It appeals to some people, not to others. You'll basically get a lot of lines about his foul personal habits, excessive drinking, and cheap come-ons aimed at Morrigan. Some find him hilarious. Can't say I'm one of them though.
Dog is easily the weakest companion as he levels slowly, so around level 10 he's already falling behind as a weak fighter. But there's also not too much personality there either. He'll mark a tree, find you a present, kill you a mage, and then get squished. That's about it, really.
So I'd suggest Shale or Alistair, in that order.
EDIT: spelling

Modifié par Ferretinabun, 08 novembre 2010 - 06:21 .

[Mr_Steph]

I'd suggest Alistair since you are taking Morrigan with you. They have a good chemistry

[Bat0u07]

Ah ! Until the last 2 posts I was basically hesitating between Shale and Ogren. Now you 2 guys are bringing Alistair back in the course.



The plus for Alistair: I have never completed the game with him (which I cannot say about Shale or Ogren) so I will definitely be surprised by his reactions & he might bring some interesting stuff in "return to ostagar" and "soldier's peak" !!!



I think he is a valid choice.



I am now 2.5 levels after recruiting Zevran and have just cleaned up dust town in Orzammar which will unlock the last possible character: Ogren. Meaning I am about to put the final team together (level 12) with Zevran getting enough cunning and unlocking skills to enter the team in the place of leli.... (finally). Time to make a choice.



Now a spoiler question now re Alistair:

+ I am not planning to become king, nor do I want Alistair to become it. Is that possible or will I face a choice like: Either Alistair leaves / dies or I support him instead of the queen ?

[Bat0u07]

Ferretinabun wrote...


Personally I think Shale is hilarious.

Oghren's humour is very sleazy.  Some find him hilarious. Can't say I'm one of them though.

Think I will trust your advice since I have the same opinion on these 2 personalities.

[Liliandra Nadiar]

RtO, yes he and Wynne have some lines there, since they were at the battle like you were. Soldier's Peek, he has an start and end quest line that's very... Alistairish, but nothing real special. (Though have Morrigan and Alistair when you show up for a great line)



As for your question, you should be able to do that. Just chose Anora alone after the duel with Loghain (Alistair can't fight him though, Anora will order his death if he does IIRC.)

[Ferretinabun]

"I am not planning to become king, nor do I want Alistair to become it. Is that possible or will I face a choice like: Either Alistair leaves / dies or I support him instead of the queen ?"



It is indeed a possible ending to have Anora on the throne and have you and Alistair both end up as mere Grey Wardens.

Alistair will only want to quit the Grey Wardens if you decide to recruit Loghain.



Let us know how you got on...

[Bat0u07]

Alright, I tried to go with the final 4 too early, Zevran had levelled up really too slowly while on the bench so he's gonna stay there for at least 2 more levels to have unlock 3 at least. Should be enjoying some catfight between leli and morrigan until that time, which is fun too and a bit new, since the last time I played I had failed to persuade leli that nothing was happenning and now Morrigan proves extremely possessive and jealous which is a side I did not believe she would ever show, given her view on a relationship.



So far I only completed the mage tower of the 4 quest groups, saving the mages. Not started the elves which I keep for last, done Orzammar up until Oghren while siding with Belen and about to infiltrate redcliff castle.



Still hesitating when is the best moment to do rto and soldier's peak. Normally I would want starfang early but there is no hurry since I have not met any major difficulty so far, even while playing with leli and alistair half naked since I wasn't expecting to bring them so far.



Stragely I find the game much easier than previously was, although I m playing in nightmare while my early playthroughs were in normal. Maybe I m getting better, maybe 1.4 made it easier... Probably the latter, a lot of stuff seem nerfed such as "overwhelm" and this is quite welcome.

[Knal1991]

If you know what is coming before hand it's a lot easier.... (remember my first deep road experience with almost full backpack and no potion what so ever >_> )



Say aye if you read the first 5 words between ( ...) wrong

[Bat0u07]

Well yeah I remember my first playthrough was a nightmare for I missed all the backpacks at the beginning :s



Still now or later, I find random encounters on the road just the hardest part of the game... not sure it was intedended but hey



So Zevran finally reached a decent level and 24 cunning / lockpick 3 which should do most things and Alistair even inherited from a blood armor breastplate when I finally hit 14, specced templar and put on the commander plate... I used leli a last time to pickpocket the whole world and now the party I pondered so long on is finally ready ! Plan is as follow:



+ Going to hit RTO first (new stuff yeah)

+ Then straight to the mines to hunt Branka

+ Then a detour in soldier's peak (more new stuff yeah)

+ followed by my favourite place - Sacred Ashes

+ finish with the overboring dalish part

+ complete the playthrough

+ other DLC

+ awakening

[tonnactus]

Take Loghain(you have to spare him,of course,then he become a partymember instead of Alistair) and Wynne back to Ostagar. Completely worth it.

Modifié par tonnactus, 10 novembre 2010 - 08:55 .

[Bat0u07]

Seems like I will have to put Morrigan on the bench through rto then as you are not the first one advising so...



Regarding Loghain; he replaced Alistair in the group in my 3 first playthrough so he is going to die for a change

[Knal1991]

I still haven't experienced the game with loghain, mainly becuase the only ''evil'' character did not get to the end yet...



Actually the one on the left is the only one I have finished origins with... (character creation is just too much fun >_>)

[Ferretinabun]

Hang on - Do Awakening BEFORE other DLC.



Well, Leliana's Song is a prequel and can be done whenever, and Darkspawn Chronicles is completely stand-alone.

But Golems of Anorak is designed for wardens around level 30, and Witch Hunt is designed as the last installment of the Origins story. So definitely do Awakenings before them.

[termokanden]

For people who care most about the story, you're right.



For powergamers that want the best possible character to play through the entire game, it's better to go through all the DLC first.

[LPain]

My favourite group is always no matter what my class is: Alistair, Zevran and Morrigan. I think most of my playthroughs I've played with this group. Training Zevran to pick locks can be done nicely - I wouldn't worry about it. I always give him few basic dual attacks and rogues until lethality and coup de grace - and then focus on training him for a lockpicking. Before the game is over you can still get him fully trained in dual weapons and rogue skills. And he does not necessarily even need another specialization. He is simply deadly when you train him well with those few rogue skills and full dual weapons and assasin.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

IMO, the most important points to have in every party are:
1. Lockpicking (Zevran, Leliana, or yourself if you're a rogue)
2. Healing (Wynne, Morrigan if she becomes a spirit healer, or you if you're the spirit healer)
3. Tank (Alistair, Oghren, Sten, Loghain, or you if you're a strong melee character)
4. Summoner (rangers are best, but a necromancer mage that can raise a skeleton is OK too).

[Bat0u07]

I'm just a TAB addict. I cannot let a stone untouched in any of my playthrough. Cannot let a quest undone. I like to take my time and explore things in depth and I hate, oh I hate leaving a chest locked. So rogues are maxing lockpicking first in any rpg where it is relevant, usually at the expense of the rest.



I have noted the point of playing awakening before the 2 other DLC story wise. I do enjoy powergaming but never at the expense of the story ! It's a balance to find. I also haven't purchase the side stories and the stupid gifts. There is a limit to what I can accept to pay for as per DLC.

[movie_diva]

I hope you have a good time, I am on my 2nd go- and I love Shale, but i would do Wardens Keep first, just to get the storage chest