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[JGray]

Having read the prequel books and having played the game, I have to wonder... did Maric sire three children and not just two?

In the first book, there's a point where Flemeth brings Maric into her hut alone. We're never told exactly what happened there except that Maric was warned another Blight was coming. Somehow, though, I doubt that's all there is to it.

So, I wonder. Did Flemith use Maric to sire Morrigan? She's done so in the past, apparently, only usually the fathers end up dead (or so the legends say).

Alistair and Morrigan bicker like siblings. Maybe there's a reason for that...

[specter7237]

Great speculation, if little more until we could get harder evidence on the matter.  If this was true though, you could potentially have Alistair siring a child on his own sister.  Thats just wrong...

[syllogi]

And we have no real proof that Fiona is actually Alistair's mother. Which means there could be another bastard out there. . . wish we could get an answer on that, I was hoping it would be revealed in game.

[FlintlockJazz]

specter7237 wrote...

Great speculation, if little more until we could get harder evidence on the matter.  If this was true though, you could potentially have Alistair siring a child on his own sister.  Thats just wrong...

And so very DA:O.

[specter7237]

Sometimes its hard to believe Alistair carries Therin blood.  Towards the end he does finally start to fill those shoes.

[specter7237]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

specter7237 wrote...

Great speculation, if little more until we could get harder evidence on the matter.  If this was true though, you could potentially have Alistair siring a child on his own sister.  Thats just wrong...

And so very DA:O.

Lets hope the child doesnt suffer the same effects of Westeros inbreeding, or he may become a twisted sociopath

[Flamin Jesus]

I suspected Morrigan to be Maric's offspring ever since I read the Stolen Throne, but honestly, given how there is absolutely no evidence to support the theory within the game (none that I found, anyway), and also considering that those characters will likely be abandoned in favor of a new cast in DA2, we can probably assume that we'll never find out for sure.

[specter7237]

Tassiaw wrote...

specter7237 wrote...]

Lets hope the child doesnt suffer the same effects of Westeros inbreeding, or he may become a twisted sociopath

And let's not forget another twisted product of inbreeding: Mordred, the ill-begotten son of Arthur and his sister Morgaine/Morgause depending on which version of Arthurian legend you read.

Good point, I'm almost hoping its true now

[tobajas]

Haveing played the game i have to say that Maric must have had atleast 3 childs unless Alistair was lied to.



In the game Alistairs mother is said to have been a maid who worked for Arl Eamon and that he has a half sister who his maid mother gave birth to with another man then Maric.

In the books though Marics suposedly second son is born of a grey warden and an elf no less but since when a elf and human mate a human child is born. So either there exists a third child that we do not know of but that Duncan knew of or Alistair was handed to the maid and lied to, to cover the truth. Either way it is not told of in the game so i can only guess.

[JGray]

DA: O has already shown its not afraid to make the children of heroes into less than heroes. King C was certainly not the man his father was (dreamers shouldn't be on the battlefield...)

[speedy111280]

specter7237 wrote...
Lets hope the child doesnt suffer the same effects of Westeros inbreeding, or he may become a twisted sociopath

Now I totally want to play DAO as a male human noble, name him Joffrey and be a complete psycho throughout the game.

[RPGmom28]

Currently reading The Stolen Throne, and my first thought was... Oh my gods, was that Morrigan that was being sired? And such thoughts led me to this thread. It certainly makes me want to think twice now before agreeing to Morrigan's deal. It also makes you think. Would I be willing to let my husband sleep with his sister to prevent my death or his? Definitely, but it's disgusting, and I doubt I'd ever be able to forget that it happened. I wonder what kind of resentment and ill-feeling such a thing would generate between a couple, whether they tried to conceal it or not.

[LdyShayna]

tobajas wrote...

Haveing played the game i have to say that Maric must have had atleast 3 childs unless Alistair was lied to.

Well, at the end of The Calling, Fiona explicitly REQUESTS her son be lied to.  Thus, it can go either way, I think.

[Tamyn]

RPGmom28 wrote...

Currently reading The Stolen Throne, and my first thought was... Oh my gods, was that Morrigan that was being sired? And such thoughts led me to this thread. It certainly makes me want to think twice now before agreeing to Morrigan's deal. It also makes you think. Would I be willing to let my husband sleep with his sister to prevent my death or his? Definitely, but it's disgusting, and I doubt I'd ever be able to forget that it happened. I wonder what kind of resentment and ill-feeling such a thing would generate between a couple, whether they tried to conceal it or not.

Except neither your PC nor Alistair would know that Morrigan is his sister.

I hope that Maric does have another bastard out there, and I hope that Cailan has several as well. Then there wouldn't be as much player guilt on my part  for ending the Theirin bloodline when marrying King Alistair or denying him the throne because I want him all to myself.

[The Angry One]

Eh what's so great about the Theirin bloodline anyway, all it does it give you descendancy from a ponce who polished his armour too much. =P

[heretica]

specter7237 wrote...

Sometimes its hard to believe Alistair carries Therin blood.  Towards the end he does finally start to fill those shoes.

Maric was EXACTLY like Alistair when he was young. He did the same kind of jokes, he was insecure aswell etc... 

The only serious person there was Loghead.

[Akrim_Drak]

I'd imagine half the children in the Denerim alienage are probably Maric's...

[FlintlockJazz]

Tassiaw wrote...

specter7237 wrote...]

Lets hope the child doesnt suffer the same effects of Westeros inbreeding, or he may become a twisted sociopath

And let's not forget another twisted product of inbreeding: Mordred, the ill-begotten son of Arthur and his sister Morgaine/Morgause depending on which version of Arthurian legend you read.

You know, that's the first thing that crossed my mind too, and considering the similarities in not only the inbreeding but in their actual names too (Morrigan = Morgana/Morgaine and Alistair = Arthur) and Calenhad being portrayed as a very Arthurian character (uniting the nobles together and all that) it does lead on to some disturbing thoughts...

[Shady314]

So Alistair=Arthur because they both start with A?

[Servant of Nature]

Maric probably has several bastards around. I don't trust him at all.



At any rate, I don't think Alistair is Fiona's son. That child gives safety net for the Theirin bloodline should Alistair be executed or give up his rights to the throne.



Then again.. ugh, makes me angry that Maric was willing to cheat on Rowan so horribly. At least him sleeping with Fiona was five years after Rowan's death. That's the only real hook for me. I don't think Maric would hurt Rowan like that, not for a fling with a servant girl... he cared for Rowan, love or no.



So, uh, I guess that brings us back to 'doe'. It could go either way, I just think that the Theirin bloodline is important enough that they'd have a way of bringing it back.

[Antiuna]

If we had the ages of folk like Alistair and Morrigan that would be helpful <.< Seeing as if they are indeed siblings, there would be a pretty big age gap, no? There was what, 3 years between the end of the war with Orlis and Maric's meeting with Flemeth, and then how many more years between Cailan's birth and Maric meeting Fiona? In game Morrigan and Alistair seem to be roughly the same age, so I find it hard to believe them those two particular siblings. However, if Alistair is another bastard that came about before Fiona's, then it would seem more plausible that they are siblings.

Time to make a timeline, methinksts. . .



LdyShayna -

I thought about that too until meeting Goldana (I'm pretty sure I just butchered that name). While yes she is a money grubbing wench, the story just doesn't seem to line up if Alistair really isn't the maid's son. Sure the woman could have died birthing another child, but the sister seemed convinced that the boy was the son of the King before hand.



Either way I was bummed when it seemed like the whole Fiona ball got dropped. I liked her! I was really hoping they would play in that Alistair was her kid, and I really hope they don't just let that fade as an unanswered question (sorta makes me feel like poor writing decision).



Hum, idea for a worth buying DLC, if not material for the sequel. . .

[Tamyn]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

I'd imagine half the children in the Denerim alienage are probably Maric's...

So that's why the orphans' ghosts in the alienage orphanage have round ears?!