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[AdmiralCheez]

There are a lot of support groups for "Character X as LI in ME3" out there, and some of this stuff honestly boggles me.  I mean, really, should a character really be romanceable just because you find him/her attractive?  I'm sure there are deeper reasons than that for wanting Person A or Person B to be a love interst, and no doubt they have been presented before, but even then I think that certain suggestions are just (no offense) no feasible.

Of course, that's what I thought with Garrus, as I originally believed he should have stayed strictly in "bro" territory, but he wound up being the most entertaining and meaningful LI (for femsheps) in ME2, at least in my opinion.  Not saying Bioware can't surprise us and make this stuff work, but do you think that there are some characters that should absolutely NEVER be possible LIs?  If you think so, explain your reasoning, and do so civily, or at least with humor.  Fans of the idea have full right to defend it as well, but let's not flame each other about it.

An example: Legion.  It's a robot.  Obviously, it has a thing for Shepard, but it lacks the physical equipment to pursue someone romantically, plus I doubt it's capable of feeling physical pleasure.

Another example, and I'm gonna get some heavy flaming for this: Joker.  I feel that a romance between him and Shepard would destroy his role in the story.  However, more dialog with the guy would be great, and maybe some casual flirting just to screw with him...  But a full-fledged LI?  I can see it happening, but part of me still thinks it's a bad idea.

AND REMEMBER, these are just opinions.  Like I said, I was horribly wrong about Garrus, and I'm glad I was.

[Googlesaurus]

I don't think any squadmate should be excluded, but I doubt the writers could create convincing romantic subplots for all of them. I would even support a Legion romance if it was masterfully written (and not about sex). 

Modifié par Googlesaurus, 08 novembre 2010 - 01:10 .

[m00nsh1ne]

I still think Garrus should have never been a LI it just feels so awkward and wrong. I romanced him one time and immediately dumped him when Liara was available. I agree with the Joker assessment, because their relationship has always been a commander subordinate relationship and Joker has never really given hints otherwise that he would want more. Not to mention the fact his disease might hinder the actual "act" of love making. Legion I believe is an obvious one I don't even want to consider any human robotic interfacing.... I also liked the fact that Samara was not a LI because it showed that not all Asari are "loose and free" and that She was at a point in her life where romance was very low on her list of priorities.

[V-rex]

I would argue that Kasumi shouldn't be romance able.

The reason?



It would be nice for there to be at least one female character in the games who doesn't fall in love with male Shepard. Hell, even Samara still expresses an interest, she just doesn't follow through.

[AdmiralCheez]

To Googlesaurus: That's the thing, though--the LIs all involve sex to a degree. I wish they'd give us a "bromance" option so we could bond with our team without having to do the nasty.



To m00nsh1ne and V-Rex: Tou guys bring up great points! I agree that not every single woman (or man) on the bloody ship should be vulnerable to the ol' Shepard charm.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Samara: As much as I like the character, the oppurtunity for her to be a LI was in ME2, and it passed. It would be out of character for her at this point to suddenly want a romantic relationship with Shepard. She made it clear that her code came first.

Joker: Sex with FemShep would likely land him in the hospital with broken bones. Out of all the characters with threads demanding they be romanceable in ME3, his probably makes the least sense.

Legion: He's a robot. Thankfully there isn't anyone clamoring that he be romanceable in ME3, or at least not seriously.

Grunt/Wrex: Krogan. No further explanation needed.

Kasumi: It would be nice for once to have a female human party member that wasn't fawning over Shep. I'd rather she hooked up with Jacob.

Garrus: Unfortunately he was already made an LI, but he never should have been. He has avian features, mandibles, talons, and a metallic carapace. With that in mind a human female sleeping with a Turian should fall under the category of 'creepy fetish.' Also humans should not be physically attractive by Turian standards, though that was sort of hinted at in Garrus' dialogue.

 

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 08 novembre 2010 - 01:38 .

[SimonTheFrog]

My list:

Garrus: he is a cool "bro". I see that "reducing stress before a mission" is not really a LI, but it's somehow really awkward and wrong to have a friendly one night stand if the inter-species contact can potentially harm both participants.

Jacob: he is just a soldier with no notable unique personality. That reduces the LI to something very shallow.

Joker: i'd like to see him with a nice girl. But not someone on the ship. He need's something beyond being a pilot

Conrad: he's married to a seemingly very lovely and understanding wife.

Udina: he doesn't seem like a partner that can be trusted.

Any Krogan we know a bit better: although they make nice buddies, the thought of sharing a bed is just scary. I guess they can be romantic (Oh rose of illium...) but i'm not sure if that's helping or making things worse.

Zaeed: because he's a bastard. I like his comments and i don't mind him being a bastard. But its not LI-material.

Anderson: a bit too old and also not very interesting as person. Maybe this is different in the novels.

Tali: she adores Shepard and puts him on a pedestal (and Shepard behaves obnoxiously patronizing too). That is not a good foundation for a healthy LI. Should have stayed at innocent flirting instead.

Kelly: her job is to get friendly with everybody. Picking one LI may harm her function as consultant.

Samara: she is really really old and focused on other stuff. A deeper friendship might be cool, but she's be compelled to kill Shep every other minute. Which is not cool.

Kasumi: she's not over her last bf.

All the flirty Asari all over the galaxy: they are pretty much just plain women with a tendency to be easily aroused. Maybe a paradise for men or women who are looking for an easy date, but not for a romantic LI. Unless of course we get to learn one of them much better.

Chakwas: again, she's not the youngest but i guess there would be a way to make at least some sort of "falling in love" possible. But then again, we hardly no anything about that person and sofar she's not too interesting.

I'm undecided about:

Mordin: he's pretty old, but such a sweety. And if the date doesn't involve romantic music and wine, maybe he's interested.

TIM: he might actually be pretty charming, personally. Something for ambitious renegades maybe.

Thane: i haven't watched his LI on youtube yet because i might go there myself one far away day. But from what he's talking about before the LI starts it sounds as if he's not over his wife. That's not so good i guess. Generally, everything about him is a bit depressing.

Parasini: dunno what's with her. She seems very uh open. But at least we know a small bit about what she's like.

Rachni-queen: she seems ok. Not sure what she likes to do for fun, though.

Modifié par SimonTheFrog, 08 novembre 2010 - 01:46 .

[Homebound]

I think the current LI lineup is good. Anything new after that is overkill and borders on a Japanese Love-Sim.

[Elite Midget]

When they say that the want Joker as a LI they really mean Seth Green.

[AdmiralCheez]

Elite Midget wrote...

When they say that the want Joker as a LI they really mean Seth Green.

Suddenly, it all makes sense.

[esigma444]

I don't really want anymore romances. I just hope we get some dialogue from the people we either broke up with or told we weren't interested.



But on the note of Tali, I think it was done well. Tali is so innocent and comes from a sheltered way of life. I can actually see why she fell for Shepard. I just hope getting with her doesn't get her killed off from some disease.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Hmm.

Mordin: Is rather old, and salarians lay eggs or something right?
Thane: Dead wife.
Tali: I shouldn't have to explain.
Joker: Come on, he's the pilot, and his bones are made of glass.
Kasumi: She is creepy enough already.
Samara: Would kinda defeat the whole Justicar thing.
Garrus' sister: That would be awkward to the max.
Hanar: No. Just no.
Volus:  Why would you?
Elcor: What the hell is wrong with you?
Reaper: Really man, what the hell is wrong with you?
Collector: What? I mean seriously?
Prothean: Okay I just give up.

[Elyvern]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

Tali: she adores Shepard and puts him on a pedestal (and Shepard behaves obnoxiously patronizing too). That is not a good foundation for a healthy LI. Should have stayed at innocent flirting instead.

Shepard's patronising attitude and the big disparity in their worldliness is what really makes me uncomfortable with the idea of Tali as a LI. Now, I can understand that LIs like Tali, Jack and Liara (pre LotSB) would appeal to a wide range of players, but strictly speaking from the perspective of someone like Shepard, it feels like he's taking advantage of them. Tali for her innocence and hero-worship, Jack for her emotional vulnerability and pre-LotSB's Liara for again her innocence and hero-worship slant. There is, of course, disparity between Shepard (male/fem) and all the LIs, but these are the most glaring to me. For Tali and Jack (and to a lesser extent, Liara now) I just have this sinking feeling any long-term relationship would end up with them becoming Shepard's annex, a supplementary half that's forever two steps behind him kind of thing.  

Modifié par Elyvern, 08 novembre 2010 - 02:53 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Also free commentary:

Liara: I don't mind her as an LI. But it seems to me she wanted to sleep with you awfully fast. So much for those "rumors" about asari she talks about.

Reporter you punch: No, but it would lend itself to some sort of  creepy-dominatrix relationship.

Turian councilor: How would this work? FemShep: "Dismiss these councilor!" *strips*

[AdmiralCheez]

Elyvern wrote...

... For Tali and Jack (and to a lesser extent, Liara now) I just have this sinking feeling any long-term relationship would end up with them becoming Shepard's annex, a supplementary half that's forever two steps behind him kind of thing.  

I actually felt like that a little bit concerning the Garrus romance.  I know it's not as prominent, but looking at how much you mentored him in the first game, and who he became in the second, it's obvious that he really looks up to you.  Suddenly getting involved with the guy I almost consider to be Shepard's apprentice felt kind of... weird.  Like it'd be weird even if he were some sort of human studmuffin.

Also, ReconTeam gets one million cookies for bringin' the lulz.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 08 novembre 2010 - 03:00 .

[Elyvern]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Elyvern wrote...

... For Tali and Jack (and to a lesser extent, Liara now) I just have this sinking feeling any long-term relationship would end up with them becoming Shepard's annex, a supplementary half that's forever two steps behind him kind of thing.  

I actually felt like that a little bit concerning the Garrus romance.  I know it's not as prominent, but looking at how much you mentored him in the first game, and who he became in the second, it's obvious that he really looks up to you.  Suddenly getting involved with the guy I almost consider to be Shepard's apprentice felt kind of... weird.  Like it'd be weird even if he were some sort of human studmuffin.

Seconded. It's even worse when you read the SB dossier on him: Leadership potential overshadowed by Shepard. Unlikely to fully develop under Shepard's command.

[Googlesaurus]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

To Googlesaurus: That's the thing, though--the LIs all involve sex to a degree. I wish they'd give us a "bromance" option so we could bond with our team without having to do the nasty.

Sadly, I don't think Bioware will demand that our Shepards put some thought into maintaining relationships or explore some of the more interesting avenues that a futuristic multi-species galaxy would create. If 'romancing' a character didn't involve laying the pipe on them, the concept would be interesting. As it is now it feels like grinding to an accomplishment (get that Paramour achievement!) rather than a deliberate and personal connection that explores another part of a character's personality.

Personally I support a pseudo-romance for Legion.

Modifié par Googlesaurus, 08 novembre 2010 - 03:33 .

[Raokin]

I always found the idea of asari romances rather creepy. A sapient being who has lived for hundreds of years should be vastly more wise and mature than even the oldest humans. They're effectively romancing their equivalent of children.

Also, the idea of someone being able to read your thoughts is more than a little off putting to me.

Modifié par Raokin, 08 novembre 2010 - 03:33 .

[Nightwriter]

What does everyone think about the most frequently nominated NPCs? Shiala, Parasini? I hear a lot of people express interest in romances with them.

[ShadyKat]

Jacob....because The Priiiiiiiiiiiize.

[Louis_Cypher]

The only person (at least out of main characters) I'd totally rule out is Mordin, since he's already expressed his non-interest, and going back on that would be annoying.  But I don't think everyone should be available as LIs, and ideally some (more) would simply be not interested in Shepard.  I hope BW picks and chooses who they want available, but open-mined about who they choose.

Aedan_Cousland wrote...
Joker: Sex with FemShep would likely land him in the hospital with broken bones. Out of all the characters with threads demanding they be romanceable in ME3, his probably makes the least sense.

I hear this sentiment a lot, but it's misguided.  He's capable of running around the ship (albeit in a somewhat stilted manner), crawling through vents, and firing an assault rifle, without any apparent damage.  He's responsible for operating a ship under combat conditions, with the associated risk of sudden accelerations and jolts.  I don't think a little careful sex or cuddling is going to kill him.  In fact, even with current medicine, some patients with Vrolik Syndrome (refered to medically as Osteogenesis Imperfecta) are capable of sexual activity.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Nightwriter wrote...

What does everyone think about the most frequently nominated NPCs? Shiala, Parasini? I hear a lot of people express interest in romances with them.

I don't get the Shiala love at all. She has no developed personality. I can see the Parasini LI desire more, Maybe a DA:O or consort one time thing.

On another note, I'd like to have the chance to get with Nelyna (queue wiki searches for all but the most devoted fans).

[Googlesaurus]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

What does everyone think about the most frequently nominated NPCs? Shiala, Parasini? I hear a lot of people express interest in romances with them.

I don't get the Shiala love at all. She has no developed personality. I can see the Parasini LI desire more, Maybe a DA:O or consort one time thing.

On another note, I'd like to have the chance to get with Nelyna (queue wiki searches for all but the most devoted fans).

Didn't she die at the Battle of the Citadel?

Modifié par Googlesaurus, 08 novembre 2010 - 03:45 .

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Googlesaurus wrote...

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

What does everyone think about the most frequently nominated NPCs? Shiala, Parasini? I hear a lot of people express interest in romances with them.

I don't get the Shiala love at all. She has no developed personality. I can see the Parasini LI desire more, Maybe a DA:O or consort one time thing.

On another note, I'd like to have the chance to get with Nelyna (queue wiki searches for all but the most devoted fans).

Didn't she die at the Battle of the Citadel?

It's not stated. Sha'ira lives so I'm going to live in the hopes I'll meet Nelyna again. Her specialty is touch, ya know.