Ryzaki wrote...
Whoops they were considering making it a law. It isn't one yet apparently. *hits head on desk for being so quick* That said rape is so hard to prove even when someone is fully aware that the rates of acquittal are low. (That said I'm not talking normal drunk I'm talking "hehehe" when someone is falling all over the place reeking of booze drunk). Why would anyone want to sleep with someone who reeks of booze anyways? Urgh.
I agree, that's creepy, desperate, gross, just generaly inconsiderate... But if the drunk says 'yes' it is not rape. I mean, really, as you said, it's hard to proove rape to begin with. The flip side of that is that there are already a lot of people who's lives are also seriously messed up by false accusations of rape made be ideots who simply regretted their choices the next day, and did not want to be responsible. Making sex with 'very drunk people' a crime, even if the drunk person said yes, only will make matters worse. By time the acusation is even made, they'll both have matabolized too much of the alchohol in their systems for reliable testing.
Frankly I think responsibility is on both sides. You can choose to be a scumbag and take advantage of someone and that person couldve chosen not to drink.
To me its similar to someone walking down a dark alley and ending up beaten/kidnapped and killed. Sure that person could've avoided doing that in the first place but what right did that whoever hurt them had to do it. None.
Walking down an ally and getting jumped would be equivillent to getting drunk and being taken sexualy by force, which is not what we are talking about. You're making yourself an easier target, yes, but that does not make you less of a victim, nor disolve the responsability of the one inflicting themselves uppon you against your will. But that is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about somebody getting drunk, agreeing to sex, and regretting it once sober. You can think whatever you want about the person they had sex with... Responsability for their own actions and their personal reprecussions are on them each individually, and only extend to one another if pregnancy occurs or a vinerial dissease one knew he or she had is transmitted to the other who did not know. That is not rape.
A drunk driver is something different in my mind althoughter. If you're drunk and you get in a car that is on you. No one is taking advantage of you you're just being a complete and utter douchebag.
And I don't believe that. That said those are my own personal beliefs and I'm not going to tell people what they should or should not do. That said I find those people to be scum and worth absolutely nothing. I'd kill all of them if it was legal.
Screwing someone completly over when they have full control of their facilities: Go ahead. I'll probably even give you a high five if you completely screw them over. That said it's probably just the fact that I have a deep loathing of people who have sex with people when they're drunk. Just one of my buttons. It's not logical and I don't pretend it is.
This I do not get. Cruelty is cruelty. How is it less bad to intentionaly use and harm a person that has full control of their facilities than it is someone who does not? The results are just as bad. Me, I don't respect those who comit needlessly cruel and abusive acts uppon others. Unless by screw over in this case, you mean it purely as in work them over sexualy. I'm with you on that. I could be miss understanding you, as in the area of the states where I live 'Screw over' is usually meant as to use someone and take advantage of them, leaving them worse for wear, rather than the sexual conotation... though sex can be involved. Don't want any more missunderstandings. lol
I get what you mean, about certain things pushing buttons for personal reasons. I'm cool with that.
Male or Female. If someone isn't trying to have sex with you in the first place and they're too drunk to fight you off you deserve to be taken out somewhere and shot. Bloody sleaze balls .<_<
Now for the drunk idiots that initate the sex. They're just drunken idiots and deserve everything that happens when they open their eyes. 
I agree... if they are too incoherent to fight a person off, or say 'no' but they are not saying yes and actively participating ether, that IS rape, as there is no clear consent.
I agree... sometimes a person might be less drunk, and the drunk ideot really hot, and coming on strong, and hormonal reactions happen. My point about black outs before was to do with this... not falling asleep drunk. some people get completely crazy when drunk, but still seem to be... very active participants... but they don't remember what happened the next day. That's called a black out in the context of drunkeness. It hadn't even occured to me before that it may have sounded like I meant passing out when I said black out.
Edit: On topicI think 'll romance Leliana and Zevran again. I had to drag myself away from Alistair eventually. Just to be sure I can't slip I'll play a male elf.
I want to try to really properly romance Lelliana, too... with a mod to fix some dialogue bugs, as I did not know untill today that she had any. XD Like you with Zev, though... something about her bordering on irrational makes my skin crawl. But I wonder if I can get into her head with the right character? Granted, I think we are quite different in tastes.
Romancing Alistair pains me... I liked him better as a friend to my male Warden than as a romance option for my female... mage, no less. It's going rather disasterously. But you know how sometimes you create a character, and they seem to just develop and go in a direction and have a mind of their own, and you just easily start to fill out a background for them... Well, she's one of those playthroughs. And she has some serious issues and a massive complex when it comes to Templars. I thought, if I was unhappy with Al, I could just have her fall for Zevran... but no... she actually likes him, but finds him creepy. I'm not even sure how her friendship with him will develop, and at what rate. It's kind of exciting, as I'd not gotten this perspective before, so it feels new again. Likewise, she likes Leliana ok, but she's the one who does kind of pick on Leliana... XD It's just her impish personality. She is quite confused by her, actually.
I still need to do a nice Queen Cousland playthrough. Maybe I can get a female Cousland going who will actually 'fit' with Alistair. Argh, it's so hard for me, because I just CAN'T seem to create a character who has those white knight tendancies. Mind you, I don't do 'evil bastard' characters, ether... the closest to that I have is a male Cousland named Davend who is rather cold and calculating, but he is just deaply damaged by what happened, and driven by a new sense of duty and desire for vengance. He means well, but rather than not seeing the forest for the trees like Alistair, he sees the forest and forgets that it is made of trees. Mmmm... also have a Male Blood Mage in the works, Astor, who is kind and sentimental, but driven by fear and hatred of the Chantry. He will romance Morrigan all the way through to the end. I will have to break up with Zevran and get the puppy dog eyes of doom.
I don't know what I'm going to do about romancing Lelliana, though. From what perspective do you aprouch her relationship? What is the mindset of your main Lelliana romancing warden? I wish there had been a Templar Origin, as then I could feel a bit more compelled to role a religious warden. It's really hard for me. Goes against my grain. Strangely, my Dalish got along with her famously at first, but then he got really really creeped out with her around the whole Marjolain thing, and stopped liking her. He was my first character in Origins, Dristen, and is my avatar on this forum. Maybe the perspective I had on her through the eyes of my Dalish who romanced Zevran has left me with a really bad taste in my mouth towards her.
To be honest, I kind of wonder if it's the lack of emotion in Lelliana's VA most of the time, and her lack of facial expression a lot of the time, that really makes her words once she starts talking about her past so chilling. She's vague and claims to be remorseful, but I don't hear it in her voice, nor see the pain or sorrow of it in her face. I've wondered weather that was a shortcoming on the part of the VA and the animator, or weather that was fully an intentional effect. I can't really tell for certain, and the last thread I braught it up in I just got a lot of angry comments and not much serious discussion of this issue I have with Leliana. Don't get me wrong, her VA has a beautiful and cute voice, very charming. But the inflections during serious conversation do not sound realistic or sincere to me, and I can't tell weather the VA is just bad at acting, or if Lelliana is supposed to sound a bit fake. It really could be the latter, since she IS a bard and very well COULD have some serious mental and emotional issues, even dissorder, going on.
OK, I'm rambling really bad and a bit too incoherent tonight. lol I really really need to get to bed. (I always SAY that, but it's really hard for me to sleep at night) I'll have to do the back-tracking and catching up when I have ... coherent thought on my side. At least now I'm no further behind than I otherwise would have been...
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