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[BHRamsay]

Having Zev and Wynne along during an Orzamarr run can really bring that whole experience into extremely sharp focus. Zev is not, for one second, fooled by Harrowmount and his cronies.

Modifié par BHRamsay, 05 décembre 2010 - 04:10 .

[maxernst]

EccentricSage wrote...

It's funny to me, the Zev haters and people playing evil wardens, who think waking Zev before executing him is the cruelest thing to do to him. Shows how little they know about the character.

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I don't think there's anything particularly evil or cruel about that.  It's logical to interrogate him to try and find out who hired him, and it's logical to kill him.  If I were really in that situation, I'd feel I had no real choice.  My canon warden spared him, but I honestly felt it was the only place in the game where I metagamed a major decision.  He was too risk-aversive to make that choice.

Modifié par maxernst, 05 décembre 2010 - 08:09 .

[Marvin_Arnold]

Actually, it's logical NOT to kill him but take advantage of his abilities. That's the Warden way. "Everything to stop the Blight."

Abilities... well, preferably ALL of his abilities...

No, I couldn't kill him. In the beginning, he's just so inept and goofy, from his failed ambush to his "Leisure Suit Larry"-like pickup lines... He is like Shrek's Puss'n Boots, down to his Banderas Accent...

Later on, if you let him, he will grow on you and develop into an interesting and deep character. (You'll also learn that, [Spoilers ahead - highlight to read] in his then state of mind, you would have actually done him a favor by killing him... The reason he ambushed you was that he was suicidal and volunteered for a target no other Crow would have touched...)

Modifié par Marvin_Arnold, 05 décembre 2010 - 08:36 .

[DPSSOC]

I've killed Zevran 3 times. First playthrough he betrayed me in Denerim and, mistaking that for a fixed plot point, I merely interrogated and killed him my next two playthrough's. I had liked Zev but I wasn't going to put the time and effort into levelling and equipping him just so he can betray me. Once I found out from a friend that that is not a fixed point I let him live and just see how it plays out, so far he hasn't died again but I'm thinking my next playthrough might be the fourth (heavy limitations on gifts).

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Killing Zevran is definitely not the cruelest thing you can do. I just finished up a most evil, sadistic playthrough, and Zevran lived, though probably wished he hadn't.



If you are going for absolute cruelty in a game, the worst thing you can do is romance Zev all the way until you get his ring, then dump him for no reason right after and then drop approval by doing things offensive to him (deal with Vaughn, sell the city elves into slavery or sacrifice them) and then return to being rude and nasty to him in convos.



Marvin's secret spoiler is dead on.

[naledgeborn]

Sten and Zevran are my sidekicks. Alistair doesn't count he's (supposed to be) "special". That said Zevran is Inigo Montoya (Princess Bride) and Sten is Azeem (Robin Hood) so I have hard time choosing between the two as sidekick.

[Wedger]

@Skadi - Remind me to never anger you

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

In my two canon playthroughs, Zevran and Alistairs are mainstays in my party. With the restored party banter mods, you get some hysterical conversations between the two.



My favorite being when Zevran offers to give Alistair a tattoo.

[Ryzaki]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Killing Zevran is definitely not the cruelest thing you can do. I just finished up a most evil, sadistic playthrough, and Zevran lived, though probably wished he hadn't.

If you are going for absolute cruelty in a game, the worst thing you can do is romance Zev all the way until you get his ring, then dump him for no reason right after and then drop approval by doing things offensive to him (deal with Vaughn, sell the city elves into slavery or sacrifice them) and then return to being rude and nasty to him in convos.

Marvin's secret spoiler is dead on.

This is exactly what I'm doing on my BMHM playthrough! 

Though honestly I have to say the cruelest thing you can do is romance Alistari, harden him and then have him dragged off to be executed after sparing Loghain. That's some cruelty.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 décembre 2010 - 09:21 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Ryzaki wrote...



This is exactly what I'm doing on my BMHM playthrough! 

Though honestly I have to say the cruelest thing you can do is romance Alistari, harden him and then have him dragged off to be executed after sparing Loghain. That's some cruelty.

I could never get his approval high enough to bed him, though i did get his rose, then dumped him and mocked him. I find it much crueler not to harden him. I did not do his personal quest, so he died without closure, without knowing anything about his family. Plus,. he dies a virgin that way as well.

[Ryzaki]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I could never get his approval high enough to bed him, though i did get his rose, then dumped him and mocked him. I find it much crueler not to harden him. I did not do his personal quest, so he died without closure, without knowing anything about his family. Plus,. he dies a virgin that way as well.

Nah. I think it's worse to make him king, make him marry Anora and force him to sleep with Morrigan when he's unhardened. That way he's miserable for the rest of his life.

[Zjarcal]

Ryzaki wrote...

Nah. I think it's worse to make him king, make him marry Anora and force him to sleep with Morrigan when he's unhardened. That way he's miserable for the rest of his life.

That's what I did on my last run! 

I love how he tries to grab Anora's hand in the crowning cutscene and how she takes her hand away. WTF was he thinking grabbing her hand?

About Zev...

I've only killed Zev once and it was... hard. Killing one of your favorite characters is never easy, but it was the most fitting action for my City Elf. She actually did wake him up before killing him because she wanted information.
As many have mentioned, for those who always kill him right away, it wouldn't hurt to at least spare him once just to get a chance to know his character. If you don't like him after that then go ahead and kill him during the Taliesin encounter (and kill him right away on any subsequent runs). But at least give him a chance to change your mind.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 05 décembre 2010 - 09:43 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Ryzaki wrote...



Nah. I think it's worse to make him king, make him marry Anora and force him to sleep with Morrigan when he's unhardened. That way he's miserable for the rest of his life.

What is the cruelest possible fate is to harden him, spare Loghain, and force him to marry Anora, then make Loghain do the ritual. Not only does he get to spend the rest of his life married to the manipulative drama queen, he also gets to look forward to years of Thanksgivings from hell with his father-in-law.

That is what I did in my first DN playthrough. Though it would have been ideal to do that as well in my current playthrough, it would have meant doing his personal quest, and I felt it much better not to, to let him suffer and wonder. And since unhardened Alistair can't be made to marry Anora when sparing Loghain (plus my approval was like -100, so he wouldn't do it anyway) the only mean thing left to do was have him executed.

To which, my delighted blood mage said it was about time, and then told him to "be a man for a change".

I found that once I was able to do this to poor Alistair, it was much easier to kill or abuse any other companions, since he's my favorite. If I can abuse and kill Alistair, I can kill and abuse any other companion in origins.

[Ryzaki]

LOL



I don't know. I see hardened Alistair as being able to find happiness in a bad situation more than a unhardened Alistair.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Zjarcal wrote...



I love how he tries to grab Anora's hand in the crowning cutscene and how she takes her hand away. WTF was he thinking grabbing her hand?

he was being Alistair. Since he's stuck having to marry a woman he does not initially love, he does still take the concept of marriage/romance seriously, and is attemting to soften the blow and make it feel more like a real marriage. Anora, however, unlike Alistair, has no illusions, and a royal marriage is not one of affection. Though their marriage can grow to be amicable if the circumstances are right.

[Ryzaki]

^I found that odd that happened on one of my mistress playthroughs.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Ryzaki wrote...

^I found that odd that happened on one of my mistress playthroughs.

Yes, me too. That is the only playthrough so far that I made him king, my Dc remained his mistress. Which for me, was actually better. If I'm going to put Alistair into such a situation, I'd at least like to have the hope that his marriage to Anora can potentially be a content, harmonious one, given the circumstances.

[Darthnemesis2]

I don't think I've ever been able to kill Zev. My DC was supposed to be the playthrough where I did all the stuff I don't usually do (kill Zev, choose werewolves, make Loghain a warden) but I really didn't like his (my DC) perwsonality or story. I barely made it through his origin.

[Ryzaki]

Wait what does Zevran say exactly about Harrowmont?

Edit: And I find the "too scared to grant us an audience." ironic considering that's exactly what Bhelen does. <_<

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 décembre 2010 - 10:46 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Ryzaki wrote...

Wait what does Zevran say exactly about Harrowmont?

In effect, he basically tells it how it is: Harrowmont is a p*ssy. Because he has others fight for him, and hides behind them, instead of coming out boldly. That he's a weakling.

which, of course, is 100% correct.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Wait what does Zevran say exactly about Harrowmont?

In effect, he basically tells it how it is: Harrowmont is a p*ssy. Because he has others fight for him, and hides behind them, instead of coming out boldly. That he's a weakling.

which, of course, is 100% correct.

His initial objection was that Harrowmont can't keep his men in line and that they cower from Bhelen (dropping out of the Proving). And that is true.

His objection that Harrowmont is hiding in his house is on the otherhand weak, Bhelen is doing the same.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 05 décembre 2010 - 10:43 .

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

His initial objection was that Harrowmont can't keep his men in line and that they cower from Bhelen (dropping out of the Proving). And that is true.

His objection that Harrowmont is hiding in his house is on the otherhand weak, Bhelen is doing the same.

Ah true that.

Yeah it is. I edited before I readthis but that is annoying that I can't call Zevran out on that.