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[Sarethus]

As the title states I'd like to know how long after NWN1 did NWN2 take place. I know NWN1 took place in 1373 to 1374 but how long after is NWN2?

Reason why is that I'm currently attempting to write a fanfic where the main character of NWN1 was injured after fighting with Nasher over Aribeth's execution (which happened while he was taking care of the main boss) and ended up spending some time in West Harbour hiding/healing/recovering. 

During this time he had a major influence over the main character of NWN2 which coloured his outlook on Nasher. I just need to know when this occurred to properly place it in the main character's history.

Modifié par Sarethus, 09 novembre 2010 - 04:00 .

[Mr Ordinary]

The game itself (when checking the time/date icon) states the year is 1372 - The Year of Wild Magic. This does not tally with your accounting of NWN1 as being 1373-4 as Deekin has completed all his adventures with the NWN1 hero in NWN2, meaning NWN2 must be set after NWN1, I would estimate by a year or more.

Is your dating of NWN1 correct?

[Leematon]

NWN2 is clearly set after NWN1 as in many areas (Neverwinter City in particular) you encounter references to the Wailing Death.

[Sarethus]

Mr Ordinary wrote...

The game itself (when checking the time/date icon) states the year is 1372 - The Year of Wild Magic. This does not tally with your accounting of NWN1 as being 1373-4 as Deekin has completed all his adventures with the NWN1 hero in NWN2, meaning NWN2 must be set after NWN1, I would estimate by a year or more.

Is your dating of NWN1 correct?

 Unless the years go in reverse order that's practically impossible. 

According to the history of some of the items you purchase, Lady Aribeth attacked Neverwinter in later 1373.
For instance consider the weapons Sword Saint Legacy +1 and Sword Saint Legcacy +4.

When you examine the weapon, Sword Saint Legacy +1 it states:

"This weapon bears the mark of the dwarf Marrok, Master Blacksmith of Neverwinter's Shining Knight Arms and Armor. He forged it early in 1373 DR, to aid the heroes who sought to free his quarantined city from the virulent grasp of the so-called Wailing Death."

When you examine the +4 version of that sword:

"This weapon bears the mark of the dwarf Barun, a Master Blacksmith who worked from a makeshift forge in the Uthgardt village of Beorunna's Well. He forged it late in 1373 DR, to aid the war effort against Lady Aribeth the Betrayer, who was then marching against the northern city of Neverwinter and the Lords' Alliance."

So Neverwinter Nights OC ended sometime in late 1373 to early 1374 at most (Unless years go in reverse order in Faerun?). The HOTU expansion must have occurred sometime in 1374.  

 

Modifié par Sarethus, 09 novembre 2010 - 05:41 .

[kamalpoe]

The Wailing Death happened in 1372. It's a canon event that is referenced outside NWN in a Faerun sourcebook. NWN1 takes place during the Wailing Death, it's what you're trying to cure.

http://forgottenreal...i/Wailing_Death

[Sarethus]

kamalpoe wrote...

The Wailing Death happened in 1372. It's a canon event that is referenced outside NWN in a Faerun sourcebook. NWN1 takes place during the Wailing Death, it's what you're trying to cure.
http://forgottenreal...i/Wailing_Death

Ok, that's just wierd in that case and lousy timelining in my opinion. I don't suppose that you happen to know when NWN 2 takes place? Right now I am currently planning on setting it as five years after NWN1 so 1377 then. 

[Kaldor Silverwand]

This has been discussed before ad nauseum, so if you Google for NWN2 timeline you will find many statements. The conclusion some reach is 1374 DR.



Regards

[Mr Ordinary]

Sarethus wrote...

Mr Ordinary wrote...

The game itself (when checking the time/date icon) states the year is 1372 - The Year of Wild Magic. This does not tally with your accounting of NWN1 as being 1373-4 as Deekin has completed all his adventures with the NWN1 hero in NWN2, meaning NWN2 must be set after NWN1, I would estimate by a year or more.

Is your dating of NWN1 correct?

 Unless the years go in reverse order that's practically impossible. 

As has been pointed out, The Wailing Death occurs in 1372. If you start NWN2 and mouse over the day/night icon it will tell you the year (in NWN2) is 1372. I can only assume TWD occurs early in the year and the Shadow War near the end of the year (possibly even very early 1373 as the game does move time forward as you play.)

[PJ156]

Mr Ordinary wrote...

As has been pointed out, The Wailing Death occurs in 1372. If you start NWN2 and mouse over the day/night icon it will tell you the year (in NWN2) is 1372. I can only assume TWD occurs early in the year and the Shadow War near the end of the year (possibly even very early 1373 as the game does move time forward as you play.)

A bad year that one, bearing in mind SoZ had Kelgar in crossroads keep soon after the loss of the knight captain so it is not long after the OC that the sword coast is threatened by the Yuan ti.

Good job there are plenty of heroes hanging around ready to deal with the fallout,

PJ

[Sarethus]

Kaldor Silverwand wrote...

This has been discussed before ad nauseum, so if you Google for NWN2 timeline you will find many statements. The conclusion some reach is 1374 DR.

Regards

I tried searching for a time line but while NWN 1 was mentioned (and even that has differenting opinions as you can see from this thread) NWN 2's year was never mentioned.

Mr Ordinary wrote...

Sarethus wrote...

Mr Ordinary wrote...

The game itself (when checking the time/date icon) states the year is 1372 - The Year of Wild Magic. This does not tally with your accounting of NWN1 as being 1373-4 as Deekin has completed all his adventures with the NWN1 hero in NWN2, meaning NWN2 must be set after NWN1, I would estimate by a year or more.

Is your dating of NWN1 correct?

 Unless the years go in reverse order that's practically impossible. 

As has been pointed out, The Wailing Death occurs in 1372. If you start NWN2 and mouse over the day/night icon it will tell you the year (in NWN2) is 1372. I can only assume TWD occurs early in the year and the Shadow War near the end of the year (possibly even very early 1373 as the game does move time forward as you play.)

Unfortunatly according to the item explanation's I quoted earlier in this thread, the time was quite specific.

Wailing Death was said to be Early 1373
War with Luskan was said to be Late 1373

I'm just going to go with the explanation that it is all FUBAR.

[Olblach]

From what I understood the dates in FR are not consistent anyway^^. But since Luskan was attacked in 1376 it must be before, and anyway SOZ ends in 1374 (Year of the Lightning Storms):

Unfortunately the conflict, which came to be known as the Shadow War, left the economy of the Sword Coast North in tatters, and its security was in doubt due to the deaths of so many Greycloaks during the fighting. [SOZ spoiler removed] the Neverwinter region's economy was brought back to health by the end of the Year of Lightning Storms.[5]

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Neverwinter

Modifié par Olblach, 10 novembre 2010 - 11:22 .

[The Fred]

Mr Ordinary wrote...
If you start NWN2 and mouse over the day/night icon it will tell you the year (in NWN2) is 1372.

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say this is a left-over from NWN1. Because NWN1 takes place in DR 1372, the toolset's default start date is 1372. It wouldn't surprise me if the NWN2 toolset's start date was never changed, and they built NWN2 with it without realising or something. Anyway, the dates in the games are not particularly cannon, and quite confusing (I remember realising that BG happened *after* NWN, IIRC*, which I didn't expect due to the release order).

*Someone might have to back me up on this, I can't remember my sources and am too lazy to check. ;-)

[Seagloom]

I agree with Fred on this one. It seems like an oversight by Obsidian forgetting to tweak the game clock. Unfortunately "The Grand History of the Realma" only mentions the Wailing Death in the first half of 1372. It is in fact that last time Neverwinter is mentioned at all.

@The Fred - According to this same book, the Bhaalspawn saga begins in 1368. Sarevok and Jon Irenicus are both defeated in this time. The last pertinent entry is Abdel Adrian's (the canon Charname) defeat of Yaga-Shura and the resulting destruction of Saradush in that same year.

Modifié par Seagloom, 12 novembre 2010 - 10:30 .

[PJ156]

So SoZ is 1373?

PJ

[Seagloom]

Unfortunately it does not say. Where Forgotten Realms canon is concerned, there is nothing after the Wailing Death. There was no Shadow War, no adventures in Rashemen, no economic recovery from said war.

Modifié par Seagloom, 12 novembre 2010 - 11:30 .

[PJ156]

Hmmm, I took it that they were happening at the same time (ish). SoZ mentions Kelgar being at Crossroads keep but not for how long.

PJ

Modifié par PJ156, 12 novembre 2010 - 10:41 .

[The Fred]

I remember reading that SoZ was meant to take place more or less as MotB took place, meaning shortly after NWN2. However, since I doubt any of these are cannonical, even if that were so it wouldn't be official in terms of FR lore, only the NWN2 game specifically (though I think the policy on cannon is that non-cannon things can be taken to be "more-or-less" cannon *unless* they contradict something which *is* cannon, in which case they are always overuled).

Seagloom wrote...
@The Fred - According to this same book, the Bhaalspawn saga begins in 1368. Sarevok and Jon Irenicus are both defeated in this time. The last pertinent entry is Abdel Adrian's (the canon Charname) defeat of Yaga-Shura and the resulting destruction of Saradush in that same year.

Ah, maybe I got my dates mixed up somewhere. The Time of Troubles was apparently 1358 DR, which that timescale fits with.

[Adam024]

I think there actually was a reference to the King of Shadows or something like that in NWN. I think it was a book found in the lairs of one of the Luskan Commanders. Don't know if that means anything or not, just thought it as interesting.

[NWN DM]

This is kind of like the UNIT dating fiasco all over again.

[G_Admiral_Thrawn]

Seagloom wrote...

Unfortunately it does not say. Where Forgotten Realms canon is concerned, there is nothing after the Wailing Death. There was no Shadow War, no adventures in Rashemen, no economic recovery from said war.

That's great news. That means none of the crap that 4e brought (look at 3e, when they change it, they use Greyhawk. when they destroy, they use the Forgotten Realms). YAY!!!!!!

[Darek Death]

1358 DR: The Time of Troubles.

1368 DR:

• Around the first of Mirtul: Sarevok went to kill his half-sibling in Candlekeep (Abdel Adrian/The PC). He ambushed them and Gorion on the road some way east from Candlekeep, but Gorion sacrificed his life to allow them to escape, and Sarevok could not find them again before having to return to his other plans.
• Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn (novel): After a very brief respite in Candlekeep, Abdel Adrian, his sister Imoen and his friend Jaheira are kidnapped, leading to further adventures, culminating in them saving the elven city of Suldanessellar.

1372 DR:

• Tarsakh 30: Citizens of Neverwinter begin falling ill from a plague later known as the Wailing Death. Within a few tendays, most inhabitants of the city are dead or dying.

1374 DR:

• Neverwinter Nights 2: The King of Shadows attacks the Sword Coast from the Plane of Shadows.
• Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer: Following victory over the King of Shadows, the Kalach-Cha is transported halfway across Faerûn to the country of Rashemen and comes under the influence of a curse called the Spirit-eater.
• Neverwinter Nights 2: Storm of Zehir: Volothamp Geddarm journeys with a quartet of adventurers to the jungles of Samarach and is shipwrecked. A sect of yuan-ti devoted to the god Zehir attempts to overthrow the reigning yuan-ti royal family (devotees of Sseth).

Citations:
The Grand History of the Realms by Brian R. James and Ed Greenwood
Baldur's Gate (Mass Market Paperback) by Philip Athans
http://forgottenreal...om/wiki/1358_DR
http://forgottenreal...om/wiki/Sarevok
http://forgottenreal...ki/Abdel_Adrian
http://forgottenreal...om/wiki/1368_DR
http://forgottenreal...om/wiki/1372_DR
http://forgottenreal...om/wiki/1374_DR
(Further citation references at the bottom of those pages)

Modifié par Darek Death, 24 septembre 2011 - 07:24 .

[Kaldor Silverwand]

1358 DR is the Year of Shadows. The "Time of Troubles" refers to the period of time in 1358 when the gods of Toril wandered the realms as mortals seeking the stolen Tablets of Fate. During this time magic becomes unpredictable and prayers of the faithful go unanswered. During this time Cyric, Mystra, and the Red Knight gain ascendancy and Bane, Bhaal, Ibrandul, Myrkul, and Torm (also possibly Leira) are killed (Torm is then reborn). (citation - Grand History of the Realms, p. 142)

1372 is the Year of Wild Magic.

1374 is the Year of Lightning Storms.