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[Onyx Jaguar]

Don't you see what you did there?



To make it fit as a sequel you had to add themes that ran in the previous stories.

Not really, it is one of the things you can do but you don't have to. Plus this game does have themes just from what we have seen. Hell it starts out with a Darkspawn invasion

[Faz432]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Don't you see what you did there?

To make it fit as a sequel you had to add themes that ran in the previous stories.

Not really, it is one of the things you can do but you don't have to. Plus this game does have themes just from what we have seen. Hell it starts out with a Darkspawn invasion

Those are just things, along with the chantry and countries etc, that just exist in the setting, they don't have any necessary connection to the story of Origins.

Would you honestly say DA2 is a true sequel to DA:O, honestly?

Or could you pick up DA2 as a stand alone game?

Modifié par Faz432, 10 novembre 2010 - 03:47 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

A proper sequel should be stand alone. Because if it isn't it implies that the story is not finished before which is something you should never do as a writer. That in essence is a marketing trick. You don't know how to finish the story so you promise that it will be finished in a later installment while in the end what you really have is something that isn't complete not full.



They Odyssey does not require you to read the Illiad.



The Lord of the Rings does not require you to read the Hobbit.



It helps but it is also wholly unnecessary.

[Helena Tylena]

Given the fact that Flemeth makes a reappearance in what looks like is an important way, I'd say yes. DA2 is a sequal of DA:O.

[SirOccam]

Faz432 wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

The setting doesn't make a sequel.

If Lucas did a movie about a droid called Bob and his journey to become
the hero of Tatooine would that be a sequel to the Star Wars saga?

No.

It might be; it would depend on what happened in the movie. It's not necessarily NOT a sequel.

If it turned out some surviving faction of the Empire had set up operations there after the destruction of the second Death Star, then who's to say it wouldn't be a sequel?

No, setting alone doesn't make it a sequel, but the things that DO make it a sequel are (or seem to be, or at the very least still might be) there in DA2. None of us knows enough about DA2 to be making any kind of informed judgement, to be honest.

Don't you see what you did there?

To make it fit as a sequel you had to add themes that ran in the previous stories.

Yes, but my point is that even if you knew nothing about the plot of this movie, you couldn't say it necessarily WASN'T a sequel, just because it was about Bob and not Luke.

But here's the kicker...that point is irrelevant because even though we know little about DA2, we already do know that there are themes that ran in DAO. So by your very definition it is a sequel.

Flemeth and her plan
Templars vs. Mages
The Chantry and its power
The impending Qunari invasion
The darkspawn (to some extent, anyway)

...and that's just what we know so far.

Modifié par SirOccam, 10 novembre 2010 - 03:53 .

[Malanek]

Faz432 wrote...

Would you honestly say DA2 is a true sequel to DA:O, honestly?

Or could you pick up DA2 as a stand alone game?

What's so wrong with it working as a stand alone game? I think it will be playable as a stand alone but with lots of references to the first game. And I think that's the way it should be.

[Meltemph]

 

a true sequel

Last I checked words had definitions for a reason.  It is a continuation of development, there is no needs to find the true meaning of "It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is". 

[Dave of Canada]

Faz432 wrote...

Or could you pick up DA2 as a stand alone game?

All sequels should be stand alone or that's just bad game design. Even ME2, a direct continuation of the first, was stand alone. I don't see your point.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 10 novembre 2010 - 03:53 .

[SirOccam]

Faz432 wrote...

Would you honestly say DA2 is a true sequel to DA:O, honestly?

Or could you pick up DA2 as a stand alone game?

I submit that the two are not mutually exclusive.

Edit: 'd by Canada

Modifié par SirOccam, 10 novembre 2010 - 03:53 .

[Faz432]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

A proper sequel should be stand alone. Because if it isn't it implies that the story is not finished before which is something you should never do as a writer. That in essence is a marketing trick. You don't know how to finish the story so you promise that it will be finished in a later installment while in the end what you really have is something that isn't complete not full.

They Odyssey does not require you to read the Illiad.

The Lord of the Rings does not require you to read the Hobbit.

It helps but it is also wholly unnecessary.

Yes it should be a complete story but not stand alone, If I play DA2 it should make me want to play DA:O so I get the full background. Like if I jumped in on Star Wars at Empire Strikes, then I'd think I'd need to go back to New hope to get the full story.

[SirOccam]

Faz432 wrote...

Yes it should be a complete story but not stand alone, If I play DA2 it should make me want to play DA:O so I get the full background.

Who says you won't want to?

[lv12medic]

Faz432 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

A proper sequel should be stand alone. Because if it isn't it implies that the story is not finished before which is something you should never do as a writer. That in essence is a marketing trick. You don't know how to finish the story so you promise that it will be finished in a later installment while in the end what you really have is something that isn't complete not full.

They Odyssey does not require you to read the Illiad.

The Lord of the Rings does not require you to read the Hobbit.

It helps but it is also wholly unnecessary.

Yes it should be a complete story but not stand alone, If I play DA2 it should make me want to play DA:O so I get the full background. Like if I jumped in on Star Wars at Empire Strikes, then I'd think I'd need to go back to New hope to get the full story.

Which then makes you want to go forward and see the Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith and wish you could scour your brain with bleach.

[Onyx Jaguar]

See that doesn't make any sense, all of the stories should be complete. If they are complete they can stand on their own.



Also I am not going to agree with your Star Wars assessment quite frankly because I don't really like Star Wars that much.



It did it one way but it isn't the only way you can do it.

[ErichHartmann]

Obviously Dragon Age II doesn't meet the Final Fantasy (minus FF X-2) standard of self contained sequels. There is continuity between DAO and DAII. And yes, people can pick up any sequel without playing the first at the risk of missing out on lore and storyline.

[Saibh]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Or could you pick up DA2 as a stand alone game?

All sequels should be stand alone or that's just bad game design. Even ME2, a direct continuation of the first, was stand alone. I don't see your point.

Pfft. Three better not be stand-alone.

I want that thing so inundated with in-jokes and continuity references the box hisses at the newbies who touch it.

[Helena Tylena]

lv12medic wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

A proper sequel should be stand alone. Because if it isn't it implies that the story is not finished before which is something you should never do as a writer. That in essence is a marketing trick. You don't know how to finish the story so you promise that it will be finished in a later installment while in the end what you really have is something that isn't complete not full.

They Odyssey does not require you to read the Illiad.

The Lord of the Rings does not require you to read the Hobbit.

It helps but it is also wholly unnecessary.

Yes it should be a complete story but not stand alone, If I play DA2 it should make me want to play DA:O so I get the full background. Like if I jumped in on Star Wars at Empire Strikes, then I'd think I'd need to go back to New hope to get the full story.

Which then makes you want to go forward and see the Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith and wish you could scour your brain with bleach.

But if you didn't see the prequels, how could you laugh along with the Red Letter Media reviews!

[Onyx Jaguar]

Saibh wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Or could you pick up DA2 as a stand alone game?

All sequels should be stand alone or that's just bad game design. Even ME2, a direct continuation of the first, was stand alone. I don't see your point.

Pfft. Three better not be stand-alone.

I want that thing so inundated with in-jokes and continuity references the box hisses at the newbies who touch it.

The storyline of ME 2 was concluded as was ME 1.  If it wasn't stand alone it wouldn't have a central storyline thread it would just play out like a really long final chapter. 

[Rockworm503]

Nice of the OP to decide what the point is of Bioware's game I guess he's head writer and got fired?

[Dave of Canada]

Saibh wrote...

I want that thing so inundated with in-jokes and continuity references the box hisses at the newbies who touch it.

As soon as you start the game, the first words will be "Blasto the Hanar Spectre recieved Scale Itch when fighting Conrad Verner ontop of the Collector Base, making Tali's face mask fall off revealing that she's actually Wrex in a very skin tight uniform. After sleeping with Cart- Kaidan, Blasto virmire'd Kaidan and flew off into the sunset because THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! ... and this is where our story begins".

[Saibh]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

The storyline of ME 2 was concluded as was ME 1.  If it wasn't stand alone it wouldn't have a central storyline thread it would just play out like a really long final chapter. 

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

[Faz432]

When I say 'standalone' I don't mean they shouldn't be separate games but as a sequel it should of been impacted on by the 1st, surely?

From what we know so far, DA2 might as well be DA1, it has nothing what so ever to do with anything that happened in DA:O. Might as well forget DA:O ever existed it wouldn't affect anything that happens in DA2.

*edit Mass Effect has strong continuation themes. Dragon age doesn't need to be as strong but at least something tangible to connect the series.

Modifié par Faz432, 10 novembre 2010 - 04:03 .

[Dave of Canada]

Faz432 wrote...

When I say 'standalone' I don't mean they shouldn't be separate games but as a sequel it should of been impacted on by the 1st, surely?

And you can fully import your Warden's universe from the first. I don't understand your point.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 10 novembre 2010 - 04:01 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Faz432 wrote...

When I say 'standalone' I don't mean they shouldn't be separate games but as a sequel it should of been impacted on by the 1st, surely?

From what we know so far, DA2 might as well be DA1, it has nothing what so ever to do with anything that happened in DA:O. Might as well forget DA:O ever existed it wouldn't affect anything that happens in DA2.

In the first came you stop a blight that is the major event that happens.  It is a pretty major event that everyone has to do and it most certainly had an effect on that region and it is speculated on why the character of Hawke were fleeing in the first place.

[Lomopingseph]

Faz432 wrote...

From what we know so far, DA2 might as well be DA1, it has nothing what so ever to do with anything that happened in DA:O. Might as well forget DA:O ever existed it wouldn't affect anything that happens in DA2.

This is pretty untrue.

[Meltemph]

 :pinched:

I love forumites!  Only on game forums can you hear such...interesting Idea's.