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[Helena Tylena]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Saibh wrote...

I want that thing so inundated with in-jokes and continuity references the box hisses at the newbies who touch it.

As soon as you start the game, the first words will be "Blasto the Hanar Spectre recieved Scale Itch when fighting Conrad Verner ontop of the Collector Base, making Tali's face mask fall off revealing that she's actually Wrex in a very skin tight uniform. After sleeping with Cart- Kaidan, Blasto virmire'd Kaidan and flew off into the sunset because THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! ... and this is where our story begins".

Ah, yes. "references". We dismissed those claims.

[WuWeiWu]

Why do these threads get so long? I didn't realize that circle-jerks could be so entertaining.

Modifié par WuWeiWu, 10 novembre 2010 - 04:05 .

[Meltemph]

WuWeiWu wrote...

Why do these threads get so long? I didn't realize that circle-jerks could be so entertaining.

Oh come on, you have to admit, some of the responses are flat-out entertaining.

[SirOccam]

Faz432 wrote...

From what we know so far, DA2 might as well be DA1, it has nothing what so ever to do with anything that happened in DA:O. Might as well forget DA:O ever existed it wouldn't affect anything that happens in DA2.

I gave you a list of themes that we know are going to be continued, a few posts up on the previous page.

Even if I hadn't, how could you possibly know that there would be absolutely nothing to connect the two games? Have you somehow gotten access to a full build of the game? Because otherwise you're just pulling this out of your Blightlands.

Modifié par SirOccam, 10 novembre 2010 - 04:07 .

[Faz432]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

When I say 'standalone' I don't mean they shouldn't be separate games but as a sequel it should of been impacted on by the 1st, surely?

From what we know so far, DA2 might as well be DA1, it has nothing what so ever to do with anything that happened in DA:O. Might as well forget DA:O ever existed it wouldn't affect anything that happens in DA2.

In the first came you stop a blight that is the major event that happens.  It is a pretty major event that everyone has to do and it most certainly had an effect on that region and it is speculated on why the character of Hawke were fleeing in the first place.

The Blight was happening even before the story of Origins started.

[WuWeiWu]

Meltemph wrote...

WuWeiWu wrote...

Why do these threads get so long? I didn't realize that circle-jerks could be so entertaining.

Oh come on, you have to admit, some of the responses are flat-out entertaining.

I wasn't referring to the actual content within the thread, as hilarious as some of it is - I was speaking to the general DA2 IS TEH SUX threads sparking rediculous debates full of unreasonable posters and retarded logic.

[In Exile]

Faz432 wrote...
The Blight was happening even before the story of Origins started.

Not yet. The archdemon awoke, but a blight officially starts when the darkspawn erupt on the surface led by the archdemon. The archdemon only came after Ostagar, and the horde first gathered in the Korcari Wilds.

[Faz432]

WuWeiWu wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

WuWeiWu wrote...

Why do these threads get so long? I didn't realize that circle-jerks could be so entertaining.

Oh come on, you have to admit, some of the responses are flat-out entertaining.

I wasn't referring to the actual content within the thread, as hilarious as some of it is - I was speaking to the general DA2 IS TEH SUX threads sparking rediculous debates full of unreasonable posters and retarded logic.

Well if only we had more people posting well thought out arguements like yourself.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Good god, Origins had such an epic finale how are you suppose to top that. It was a fitting place to die.

Small question: Did you have what you consider to be your canon Warden die there?

[WuWeiWu]

In Exile wrote...

Faz432 wrote...
The Blight was happening even before the story of Origins started.

Not yet. The archdemon awoke, but a blight officially starts when the darkspawn erupt on the surface led by the archdemon. The archdemon only came after Ostagar, and the horde first gathered in the Korcari Wilds.

Technically, the blight is forming/has formed before you become a Grey Warden - Duncan knew of the Archdemon well before Ostagar and his discovery of you, and King Cailan's forces have fought the Darkspawn on the surface before you arrive to Ostagar which suggests that even before the start of your Origin story (with perhaps exception to the Dwarf Noble) the blight had formed and was marching/had marched to the surface.

Faz432 wrote...

WuWeiWu wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

WuWeiWu wrote...

Why do these threads get so long? I didn't realize that circle-jerks could be so entertaining.

Oh come on, you have to admit, some of the responses are flat-out entertaining.

I
wasn't referring to the actual content within the thread, as hilarious
as some of it is - I was speaking to the general DA2 IS TEH SUX threads
sparking rediculous debates full of unreasonable posters and retarded
logic.

Well if only we had more people posting well thought out arguements like yourself.

I
had this reply, right? It was dripping in satire, right? It even had a
bit of Sartre thrown in for good measure, right? And then I realized it wasn't worth it. Arguing in circles is never worth it.

Modifié par WuWeiWu, 10 novembre 2010 - 04:14 .

[SirOccam]

Faz432 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

When I say 'standalone' I don't mean they shouldn't be separate games but as a sequel it should of been impacted on by the 1st, surely?

From what we know so far, DA2 might as well be DA1, it has nothing what so ever to do with anything that happened in DA:O. Might as well forget DA:O ever existed it wouldn't affect anything that happens in DA2.

In the first came you stop a blight that is the major event that happens.  It is a pretty major event that everyone has to do and it most certainly had an effect on that region and it is speculated on why the character of Hawke were fleeing in the first place.

The Blight was happening even before the story of Origins started.

What difference does that make? It's still the defining event of the game. Having started a few weeks or months before doesn't negate its influence on the game's plot. You're just moving the goalposts here.

Modifié par SirOccam, 10 novembre 2010 - 04:11 .

[Dave of Canada]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Small question: Did you have what you consider to be your canon Warden die there?

If my Warden stays dead even though I imported in Awakeing, mine will be.
If my Warden is alive after I imported from Awakening, nope. Dark Ritual all the way.

None of these sacrifice other people endings, they are too... bad. "THE KING OF FERELDEN SACRIFICED HIMSELF, WHO CARES THOUGH? THE HERO OF FERELDEN LIVED! LOL!"

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 10 novembre 2010 - 04:11 .

[Faz432]

SirOccam wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

When I say 'standalone' I don't mean they shouldn't be separate games but as a sequel it should of been impacted on by the 1st, surely?

From what we know so far, DA2 might as well be DA1, it has nothing what so ever to do with anything that happened in DA:O. Might as well forget DA:O ever existed it wouldn't affect anything that happens in DA2.

In the first came you stop a blight that is the major event that happens.  It is a pretty major event that everyone has to do and it most certainly had an effect on that region and it is speculated on why the character of Hawke were fleeing in the first place.

The Blight was happening even before the story of Origins started.

What difference does that make? It's still the defining event of the game. Having started a few weeks or months before doesn't negate its influence on the game's plot. You're just moving the goalposts here.

It doesn't make any difference that's the point, the Blight still happened, Hawke still would of fled. It has nothing to do with anything that happened in the story of Origins.

Anyway 3 hours!! bed time.

Modifié par Faz432, 10 novembre 2010 - 04:17 .

[Meltemph]

I

had this reply, right? It was dripping in satire, right? It even had a

bit of Sartre thrown in for good measure, right? And then I realized it wasn't worth it. Arguing in circles is never worth it.

Oh come on, deconstructing the definition of sequel to invalidate a prequel is definitely going places.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Faz432 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

When I say 'standalone' I don't mean they shouldn't be separate games but as a sequel it should of been impacted on by the 1st, surely?

From what we know so far, DA2 might as well be DA1, it has nothing what so ever to do with anything that happened in DA:O. Might as well forget DA:O ever existed it wouldn't affect anything that happens in DA2.

In the first came you stop a blight that is the major event that happens.  It is a pretty major event that everyone has to do and it most certainly had an effect on that region and it is speculated on why the character of Hawke were fleeing in the first place.

The Blight was happening even before the story of Origins started.

The Blight never happened that was the point of Origins, you stopped it from happening

[SirOccam]

Faz432 wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

When I say 'standalone' I don't mean they shouldn't be separate games but as a sequel it should of been impacted on by the 1st, surely?

From what we know so far, DA2 might as well be DA1, it has nothing what so ever to do with anything that happened in DA:O. Might as well forget DA:O ever existed it wouldn't affect anything that happens in DA2.

In the first came you stop a blight that is the major event that happens.  It is a pretty major event that everyone has to do and it most certainly had an effect on that region and it is speculated on why the character of Hawke were fleeing in the first place.

The Blight was happening even before the story of Origins started.

What difference does that make? It's still the defining event of the game. Having started a few weeks or months before doesn't negate its influence on the game's plot. You're just moving the goalposts here.

It doesn't make any difference that's the point, the Blight still happened, Hawke still would of fled. It has nothing to do with anything that happened in the story of Origins.

Anyway 3 hours!! bed time.

I'm really not following.

The Blight happened in the story of Origins. The story was about the Blight. If not for Origins, none of us would have any idea about the Blight. Origins introduced us to the Blight. It established the very concept of what a Blight is, as well as describing Blights that occurred centuries ago and a Blight that started just recently.

Just because the beginning of the Blight didn't occur chronologically after the beginning of the game doesn't mean it didn't happen "in Origins."

You've got the goaposts mounted on a truck now, and are flooring it.

[Apollo Starflare]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Small question: Did you have what you consider to be your canon Warden die there?

If my Warden stays dead even though I imported in Awakeing, mine will be.
If my Warden is alive after I imported from Awakening, nope. Dark Ritual all the way.

None of these sacrifice other people endings, they are too... bad. "THE KING OF FERELDEN SACRIFICED HIMSELF, WHO CARES THOUGH? THE HERO OF FERELDEN LIVED! LOL!"

While not by your Warden's command, the 'sacrifice other' ending does work in one case: If you are in a relationship with Alistair and he sacrifices himself for you. My Warden (pictured hah) had every intention of sacrificing herself, yet Alistair had to be the heroic idiot one last time didn't he? I knew I should have just scared him away by letting Loghain live!

Edit: As to the whole "Origins didn't effect DA2!!11!" argument: How do you know? We don't know the whole plot yet, every indication is that due to it taking place over ten years little things like the blight being ended will come up and play a role. There are any number of ways Origins could impact DA2 that we don't know about yet anyway. Not everything has to be like Mass Effects trilogy focusing on one major plot, the Dragon Age games were never marketed in that way (I swear it wasn't even 'Origins' when I first looked it up? And when it was added they said it was to emphasise the Origins concept in the game, nothing else). Instead they have repeatedly been sold as 'stories from Thedas' the first of which focused on a new blight, the grey wardens, and our Warden in particular.

Modifié par Apollo Starflare, 10 novembre 2010 - 04:33 .

[In Exile]

WuWeiWu wrote...

Technically, the blight is forming/has formed before you become a Grey Warden - Duncan knew of the Archdemon well before Ostagar and his discovery of you, and King Cailan's forces have fought the Darkspawn on the surface before you arrive to Ostagar which suggests that even before the start of your Origin story (with perhaps exception to the Dwarf Noble) the blight had formed and was marching/had marched to the surface.

I don't think we ever receive a technical definition for a Blight. Duncan mentions that the gathering of the darkspawn is due to a blight coming, but I don't think he explicitly calls it a blight until after the darkspawn take the field.

Though I do think you're right in hindsight. The first blight is considered to have started with the corruption of Dumat, so it makes sense to say the blight was already on by the start of DA:O.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Small question: Did you have what you consider to be your canon Warden die there?

If my Warden stays dead even though I imported in Awakeing, mine will be.
If my Warden is alive after I imported from Awakening, nope. Dark Ritual all the way.

None of these sacrifice other people endings, they are too... bad. "THE KING OF FERELDEN SACRIFICED HIMSELF, WHO CARES THOUGH? THE HERO OF FERELDEN LIVED! LOL!"

Hmm, interesting take on it. Personally, I've already forced myself into metagaming this particular choice, in that my Warden needs Morrigan to take down the dragon.

[Stanley Woo]

I think we've already got threads discussing what people don't like about DA2. And people who believe that their whinging or complaining on the boards is somehow going to get us to wake up and change the game just for them are also "missing the point." If people find the game truly isn't for them, that's perfectly valid. i'm sorry this game won't appeal to you, and perhaps we'll get you back with future products, or maybe the Mass Effect franchise is more to your liking. But we've worked very long and hard on DA2, and it's going to be a game that we enjoy and will be proud of, so we're hoping people like it... because trying to make a game that pleases each and every BioWare/DAO/RPG fan is rather impossible to do. Thank you for your thoughts and opinions.



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