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[Saibh]

Dave of Canada wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

You know, you could have just walked away without a word if you don't like it.

I'm sorry if I'm held at a higher standard than everybody else on this forum.

You will always deliver, 'Canada! Always!

Modifié par Saibh, 10 novembre 2010 - 12:53 .

[Ildaron]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

@Might and magic and Command and Conquer comment

Those games play fundamentally different than their counterparts

Dragon Age is still an overhead/behind the shoulder perspective stat manipulation game

Is it? I thought it was an action/RPG with super fast game play and button mashing joy.

[Maria Caliban]

joriandrake wrote...

Why call it DA2 then?

Because it's the second game set in the Dragon Age.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Ildaron wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

@Might and magic and Command and Conquer comment

Those games play fundamentally different than their counterparts

Dragon Age is still an overhead/behind the shoulder perspective stat manipulation game

Is it? I thought it was an action/RPG with super fast game play and button mashing joy.

No, Renegade was a first person shooter

[Snowflake_in_Hel]

Believe it or not, I have a lot of faith in Bioware, now especially. I don't know what kind of game DA 2 will be, but I'm fairly sure it will fulfill its purpose, whatever that may be.



My only wish at this point is that they create some game, sometime, that allows the hero to use a spear and perhaps a quarterstaff during battle. Whatever.



Wassail.

werwulf/snowflake

[joriandrake]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Ildaron wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

@Might and magic and Command and Conquer comment

Those games play fundamentally different than their counterparts

Dragon Age is still an overhead/behind the shoulder perspective stat manipulation game

Is it? I thought it was an action/RPG with super fast game play and button mashing joy.

No, Renegade was a first person shooter

I believe his remark was about DA1/2

[Saibh]

Ildaron wrote...

Is it? I thought it was an action/RPG with super fast game play and button mashing joy.

Define "button-masher". Not action RPG--what is your personal definition of a button-masher?

Because button-mashers don't have auto-attack. They also don't have cool down on all talents. Or require tactics. And don't they usually have combos?

[joriandrake]

Snowflake_in_Hel wrote...

Believe it or not, I have a lot of faith in Bioware, now especially. I don't know what kind of game DA 2 will be, but I'm fairly sure it will fulfill its purpose, whatever that may be.

...make cash?

[Onyx Jaguar]

joriandrake wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Ildaron wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

@Might and magic and Command and Conquer comment

Those games play fundamentally different than their counterparts

Dragon Age is still an overhead/behind the shoulder perspective stat manipulation game

Is it? I thought it was an action/RPG with super fast game play and button mashing joy.

No, Renegade was a first person shooter

I believe his remark was about DA1/2

If Dragon Age was a button masher than I am Shirley Temple

[joriandrake]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Ildaron wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

@Might and magic and Command and Conquer comment

Those games play fundamentally different than their counterparts

Dragon Age is still an overhead/behind the shoulder perspective stat manipulation game

Is it? I thought it was an action/RPG with super fast game play and button mashing joy.

No, Renegade was a first person shooter

I believe his remark was about DA1/2

If Dragon Age was a button masher than I am Shirley Temple

I think with that one he expecially pointed at DA2, even if misguidedly

[Ziggeh]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

If Dragon Age was a button masher than I am Shirley Temple

Shirley, you can't be serious.

[DarthCaine]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

If Dragon Age was a button masher than I am Shirley Temple

Wow, I can't believe I'm talking to a celebrity! You sure can type for an 82 year old

[Onyx Jaguar]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

If Dragon Age was a button masher than I am Shirley Temple

Shirley, you can't be serious.

I am serious and don't call me Shirley

Also the fundamental structure seems inherently the same, less drastic than the Dawn of War 2 to Dawn of War 1 treatment

Heroes of MIght and Magic had completely different gameplay rules and perspective than Might and Magic and Renegade well the same, completely different rules and perspective.

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 10 novembre 2010 - 01:00 .

[Ildaron]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Ildaron wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

@Might and magic and Command and Conquer comment

Those games play fundamentally different than their counterparts

Dragon Age is still an overhead/behind the shoulder perspective stat manipulation game

Is it? I thought it was an action/RPG with super fast game play and button mashing joy.

No, Renegade was a first person shooter

I believe his remark was about DA1/2

If Dragon Age was a button masher than I am Shirley Temple

Which makes you a politican in the senate. Miss Shierly Temple-Black and we know how much we can trust politicans.

And I am saying DA 2 from everything I have seen of it is an action RPG along the lines of Fable, Zelda, and less of a tactical, stratgey game.

[Ziggeh]

I'd still like to know what "the point" was, the OP isn't very clear.

[Helena Tylena]

To draw an analogy, I don't think '20th Century' would be a very apt title for a series centered around one guy in the first world war.


As for the button masher people: as someone before me asked politely and was professionally ignored: define button masher please?

[Dave of Canada]

Ildaron wrote...

And I am saying DA 2 from everything I have seen of it is an action RPG along the lines of Fable, Zelda, and less of a tactical, stratgey game.

Though that would be an incorrect assessment unless animations dictate what kind of gameplay it is, DA2 on consoles looks exactly like DA:O on consoles but with faster animations.

[Faz432]

Back to the OP's point.



I think many people, myself included were hoping that DA would sequel into deep and rich stories as we explored the rest of Thedas.



It's hard, almost impossible to do that without an continuing theme, many, including myself presumed and hoped that theme would be The Warden. That's not to say The Warden directly, but perhaps an off shoot from that story we were all invested in.


Which is fair seeing as Dragin Age:Origins was about the origins of The Warden and if you dedicate a whole game to the Origins of a character you'd presume that it would be the start of a larger story.



As it is now it appears that we are being dragged out of that continuation, it being ripped up and we're starting again with a new one which to many is a hard and bitter pill to take, hopefully closer to release when we know more then the theme will show itself and we can be happy were not just getting a remake but a proper sequel.


Just to be clear Dragon Age:Origins does not mean or was about the Origins of the Dragon age as the 'age' started with the Blight. Rather the Origins of the Warden set in the Dragon age.

Modifié par Faz432, 10 novembre 2010 - 01:14 .

[DarthCaine]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

I'd still like to know what "the point" was, the OP isn't very clear.

These threads never are clear or have a point

[cephasjames]

philbo1965uk wrote...
To finish ...I'd willingly emmerse myself back into the Warden's boot's to continue the saga...but I'm not interested in another flavour .

DAO had that appeal then lost it's way...it's okay for the writers to be innovative and want to go in new directions
but I would say they've done so too early and too drastically.People like Harry Potter film's for a reason....

This is really the only thing I want to comment on. If Dragon Age had been called Age of the Warden or something like that than I think it'd have been a mistake to start following a new character. But it's not, it's called Dragon Age. Just like Harry Potter is the main character of the Harry Potter stories, the Dragon Age is the main character of Dragon Age. So as long as the Dragon Age remains the central character, whether its a warden or a Hawke, the story remains true to form.

[aznsoisauce]

Ildaron wrote...

Which makes you a politican in the senate. Miss Shierly Temple-Black and we know how much we can trust politicans.

And I am saying DA 2 from everything I have seen of it is an action RPG along the lines of Fable, Zelda, and less of a tactical, stratgey game.

I thought you were just trolling at first but now I'm not so sure...
But if DA2 does turn out like that, then I will finally have a game to play on my PS3.

Further elaboration, however, would be derailment into console VS PC territory. Although, it would seem the actual intended conversation for the thread ended before it began.

[Saibh]

Helena Tylena wrote...

To draw an analogy, I don't think '20th Century' would be a very apt title for a series centered around one guy in the first world war.

Ooh, do you mind if I borrow that analogy for later use? I quite like it.

[joriandrake]

Saibh wrote...

Helena Tylena wrote...

To draw an analogy, I don't think '20th Century' would be a very apt title for a series centered around one guy in the first world war.

Ooh, do you mind if I borrow that analogy for later use? I quite like it.

i second this

[Ziggeh]

Faz432 wrote...

As it is now it appears that we are being dragged out of that continuation, it being ripped up and we're starting again with a new one which to many is a hard and bitter pill to take, hopefully closer to release when we know more then the theme will show itself and we can be happy were not just getting a remake but a proper sequel.

Think about it, for at least some period of time. How would you write that story? How would compensate for the near infinite number of possible endings? Would you spend vast amounts of the development resources creating sections of the game that large parts of the audience would never see, or would you wipe the slate clean in order to concentrate efforts?

I'd love to see it, I really would. I get a hell of a kick out of seeing consequences to in game actions, but an outright sequel to Origins, that isn't frustratingly devoid of them, it's just not realistic.

[Helena Tylena]

Faz432 wrote...

Back to the OP's point.



I think many people, myself included were hoping that DA would sequel into deep and rich stories as we explored the rest of Thedas.



It's hard, almost impossible to do that without an continuing theme, many, including myself presumed and hoped that theme would be The Warden. That's not to say The Warden directly, but perhaps an off shoot from that story we were all invested in.


Which is fair seeing as Dragin Age:Origins was about the origins of The Warden and if you dedicate a whole game to the Origins of a character you'd presume that it would be the start of a larger story.



As it is now it appears that we are being dragged out of that continuation, it being ripped up and we're starting again with a new one which to many is a hard and bitter pill to take, hopefully closer to release when we know more then the theme will show itself and we can be happy were not just getting a remake but a proper sequel.

Why would it be hard, almost impossible? Didn't Origins delve into deep and rich stories? That one wasn't a sequel of another game with the same protagonist. Why can Origins delve into deep and rich stories and not another game with a different protagonist?

Please. All any of us know about the story is that at one point or another Hawke becomes the champion of Kirkwall, and that Varric survives to (litterally) tell the tale. That is it. We do not know anything else. We don't know how, or why, we don't know any plot twists, reveals, character developments. Therefor it is arrogant and stupid to assume we do know that the story is going to be ****e because 'the graphics and animations are different' and 'the game has a radial dialogue menu' and 'it's a different protagonist whose personality we can build up from scratch than the previous protagonist whose personality we can build up from scratch'. Seriously?