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[Ildaron]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ildaron wrote...

No you gave me your opinion why you disagreed after declaring I was wrong and you were correct. I own a PS3. I have a friend with it on the PS3. We both agree DA2 appears to be an action RPG from the things we have seen. Saying it is not does not count as truth no matter how much hyperbole you toss out. I can do the same as well.

Oh I see. You give a first glance at the car and view it as it is without looking under the hood.

Oh I see you trust the mechanics's word who ripped you off last week.

You are going on blind faith to Bioware. Me I am trusting my experince with DA:2 so far from what I have seen and heard, the vibe I am getting and then will wait for the experince to see if my opinions are correct or not.

[Helena Tylena]

Saibh wrote...

Ildaron wrote...

A weak argument is making things up.

I said it seemed to me to be an action RPG along the lines of Fable. Which is true. To me it seems like an action RPG like fable. Which makes your response a flaot out falsehood. Likewise I can have an opnion on what they game play will be like based on what I have seen of the game play. You on the other hand have an uniformed opinion of your power to decide what people may have an opinion of.

What are you talking about? You make outraaaaageous (say it like a Frenchman) claims like there are combo attacks and you're wrong. You're...listen, there's just no way around that. There aren't.

So, tell me again how it's a button-masher. You can compare it to Fable III by saying it's an action RPG, but you tried to make the comparison by saying it's a button-masher and you're wrong.

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

What if growing up you are told something is red when in reality it is green so that when you go into the real world you see green in place of red

Ha, my dad asked that once to me when I was really young and it blew my mind.

I bet he's a dappy English kuh-nnnniggit.

[Maria Caliban]

I consider a button masher one where combat is best solved by frantically smacking the buttons. It finds its nadir in games like Marvel vs Capcom where I managed to get wolverine to do awesome!cool!moves while madly jiggling the stick and pounding on the buttons.

Melee combat in Titan's quest and Divinity 2 felt like this as well. It was far more important to click-click-click-click-click than to think about what you're doing.

World of Warcraft at high levels might be considered complex button mashing for some classes. I managed to get my Druid to level 80 while playing like a human being, but when I started running level 80 dungeons it was 5-1 heal spamming as my GCD was 1 second.

[Helena Tylena]

Ildaron wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ildaron wrote...

No you gave me your opinion why you disagreed after declaring I was wrong and you were correct. I own a PS3. I have a friend with it on the PS3. We both agree DA2 appears to be an action RPG from the things we have seen. Saying it is not does not count as truth no matter how much hyperbole you toss out. I can do the same as well.

Oh I see. You give a first glance at the car and view it as it is without looking under the hood.

Oh I see you trust the mechanics's word who ripped you off last week.

You are going on blind faith to Bioware. Me I am trusting my experince with DA:2 so far from what I have seen and heard, the vibe I am getting and then will wait for the experince to see if my opinions are correct or not.

No, I'm going on what I've seen in what I think are the same gameplay vids you saw. Only I payed attention to things like action bar (or whatever the console alternative is called) and mechanics, rather than focussing on the speed and animations of the combat.
Which, admittedly, looked pretty wicked.

[In Exile]

I feel the need to point out that by definition all dragon age stories have to be about thedas, becasue thedas is just the das, i.e. the dragon age setting.

[PoisonTheCity]

philbo1965uk wrote...
People like Harry Potter film's for a reason....

Wow, really? That logic is about as sound as someone arguing that people shouldn't buy apples, because they are not yellow like bananas, and people like bananas.

Yes, bananas are great. But people like apples, too.

Yes, protagonist-centric games are great. But people like world-centric games, too.

Yes, the Harry Potter series is great. But non protagonist-centric media is popular too, such as the Terry Pratchett and J.R.R Tolkien books, and game series such as The Elder Scrolls and Call of Duty, to name a few.

As somebody who has spent a large amount of time doing fictional fantasy world-building, I personally think it would be a waste to have another game with the same people, in the same setting. Thedas has far more to offer than that.

[Maria Caliban]

Helena Tylena wrote...

I charge 5 e-hugs per use. Unless you're female and pretty, in which case I charge 7.

It never occurred to me to charge for it.

[aznsoisauce]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

But what if the sky is red and the biology of your eyes is wrong

What if red to me is what others perceive as blue

What if growing up you are told something is red when in reality it is green so that when you go into the real world you see green in place of red

Take this metaphor/whatever to the discussion GO

But you would just be calling it red even though you are seeing what everyone else calls green.

The original point still stands. Telling a lie enough does not eventually make it the truth. You can't un-cremate Walt Disney so that he can be chryogenically frozen and kept under Disney Land. Probably.

[Onyx Jaguar]

But if I am told something is something and then when I see that something I am going to perceive it as being that something

[Faz432]

Helena Tylena wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Helena Tylena wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Back to the OP's point.



I think many people, myself included were hoping that DA would sequel into deep and rich stories as we explored the rest of Thedas.



It's hard, almost impossible to do that without an continuing theme, many, including myself presumed and hoped that theme would be The Warden. That's not to say The Warden directly, but perhaps an off shoot from that story we were all invested in.


Which is fair seeing as Dragin Age:Origins was about the origins of The Warden and if you dedicate a whole game to the Origins of a character you'd presume that it would be the start of a larger story.



As it is now it appears that we are being dragged out of that continuation, it being ripped up and we're starting again with a new one which to many is a hard and bitter pill to take, hopefully closer to release when we know more then the theme will show itself and we can be happy were not just getting a remake but a proper sequel.

Why would it be hard, almost impossible? Didn't Origins delve into deep and rich stories? That one wasn't a sequel of another game with the same protagonist. Why can Origins delve into deep and rich stories and not another game with a different protagonist?

Please. All any of us know about the story is that at one point or another Hawke becomes the champion of Kirkwall, and that Varric survives to (litterally) tell the tale. That is it. We do not know anything else. We don't know how, or why, we don't know any plot twists, reveals, character developments. Therefor it is arrogant and stupid to assume we do know that the story is going to be ****e because 'the graphics and animations are different' and 'the game has a radial dialogue menu' and 'it's a different protagonist whose personality we can build up from scratch than the previous protagonist whose personality we can build up from scratch'. Seriously?

You obviously didn't read what I said.

You can have lots of individual stories that are rich in their own right but they don't develop proper sequels that continue the theme most people had hoped for.

Imagine Star Wars without a theme but made up of lots of individual stories based around protagonist that had nothing to do with one another.

Maybe some stories don't need sequels? Or, in the case of Star Wars, prequels.
Origins was written as a stand-alone story, maybe with Awakening kept in the back of their minds when they wrote it. The thing is, though, unless you write a story with a sequel in mind, the chances of a sequel being any good will be vastly reduced. At best the story is going to be dilluted more and more with each sequel. There are, of course, exceptions, but not enough to change the general rule.
Sure, BioWare could write a story featuring the Warden, however, the Warden's story was about stopping the Blight, and lo, the Blight was stopped. There might still be loose ends, but none directly related to the Warden. Their story is over. If BioWare did write another story about the Warden, then chances of that story being any bit as good as Origins, or Awakening (which in my opinion, while still very good, couldn't hold a candle to Origins) were slim. They realized this, and started afresh, with a new character, new setting, new plot. And my money is on that plot being any bit as amazing and enjoyable as Origin's.

By the way, Final Fantasy -I believe they're a mildly successful series of games- changed the protagonists and the entire f-ing world every single game. Do people whine and complain about that? Maybe. I didn't notice, anyway.

In that case don't call it 'Origins' which leads people to believe (shock horror) that it's the beginning of a larger story involving that theme.

[aznsoisauce]

In Exile wrote...

I feel the need to point out that by definition all dragon age stories have to be about thedas, becasue thedas is just the das, i.e. the dragon age setting.

That was almost mind-blowing.

[Onyx Jaguar]

But the Dragon Age was kicked off by the Blight. It would be like a new years party. Here was the origins of the Millenium, but then George W Bush started making all the headlines

[Ziggeh]

Ildaron wrote...

Oh I see you trust the mechanics's word who ripped you off last week.

Good use of the analogy there, chief.

In response I say: No, but it does good mileage.

Pro-tip: THAT DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING EITHER

Modifié par ziggehunderslash, 10 novembre 2010 - 01:49 .

[Helena Tylena]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I consider a button masher one where combat is best solved by frantically smacking the buttons. It finds its nadir in games like Marvel vs Capcom where I managed to get wolverine to do awesome!cool!moves while madly jiggling the stick and pounding on the buttons.
Melee combat in Titan's quest and Divinity 2 felt like this as well. It was far more important to click-click-click-click-click than to think about what you're doing.
World of Warcraft at high levels might be considered complex button mashing for some classes. I managed to get my Druid to level 80 while playing like a human being, but when I started running level 80 dungeons it was 5-1 heal spamming as my GCD was 1 second.

A button masher to me means button = attack. Or rather that no button = no attack. The mere fact that DA2 has an auto-attack function means that -to me, at least- it simply cannot be a button masher. No matter how fast you're mashing buttons when playing it.
And yes, WoW only starts feeling button-mashery when I started raiding on my elemental shaman, even though I dps on auto-pilot and pay attention to other things.

[Onyx Jaguar]

aznsoisauce wrote...

In Exile wrote...

I feel the need to point out that by definition all dragon age stories have to be about thedas, becasue thedas is just the das, i.e. the dragon age setting.

That was almost mind-blowing.

OMG WE ARE STARTING TO SPEAK IN CODES GOD HELP US 2012

[Saibh]

Faz432 wrote...

In that case don't call it 'Origins' which leads people to believe (shock horror) that it's the beginning of a larger story involving that theme.

Some people--I never believed DA2 would be about the Warden.

Also, it's the Origins of the series. Just as Dragon Age I would convince people that Dragon Age II means it's a direct sequel because the number II is the number directly after I.

If it were about the Warden, it would have been called, I don't know, The Grey Wardens or Grey Wardens or Wardens Call or something.

Modifié par Saibh, 10 novembre 2010 - 01:50 .

[Dave of Canada]

Ildaron wrote...

Oh I see you trust the mechanics's word who ripped you off last week.

You are going on blind faith to Bioware. Me I am trusting my experince with DA:2 so far from what I have seen and heard, the vibe I am getting and then will wait for the experince to see if my opinions are correct or not.

I'm also trusting the word of people who've played both, I'm trusting the gameplay videos (I actually watch the gameplay instead of looking at the sword and expecting it to reveal all) and I'm basing it off the word of Bioware.

THOUGH GUESS I'M NOTHING BUT A BLIND FANBOY WHO'S STUPID AND FORCES HIS OPINION ON OTHERS. YOU FORGOT TO MENTION HOW I LIKE CHEESE, THOUGH.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 10 novembre 2010 - 01:49 .

[Faz432]

Saibh wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

In that case don't call it 'Origins' which leads people to believe (shock horror) that it's the beginning of a larger story involving that theme.

Some people--I never believed DA2 would be about the Warden.

Also, it's the Origins of the series. Just as Dragon Age I would convince people that Dragon Age II means it's a direct sequel because II is the number directly after I.

If it were about the Warden, it would have been called, I don't know, The Grey Wardens or Grey Wardens or Wardens Call or something.

Don't just jump into a dicussion without reading what was wrote before, it makes you look like an ass.

Now go back and read it, there's a good little Saibh.

[Ildaron]

Helena Tylena wrote...

Ildaron wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ildaron wrote...

No you gave me your opinion why you disagreed after declaring I was wrong and you were correct. I own a PS3. I have a friend with it on the PS3. We both agree DA2 appears to be an action RPG from the things we have seen. Saying it is not does not count as truth no matter how much hyperbole you toss out. I can do the same as well.

Oh I see. You give a first glance at the car and view it as it is without looking under the hood.

Oh I see you trust the mechanics's word who ripped you off last week.

You are going on blind faith to Bioware. Me I am trusting my experince with DA:2 so far from what I have seen and heard, the vibe I am getting and then will wait for the experince to see if my opinions are correct or not.

No, I'm going on what I've seen in what I think are the same gameplay vids you saw. Only I payed attention to things like action bar (or whatever the console alternative is called) and mechanics, rather than focussing on the speed and animations of the combat.
Which, admittedly, looked pretty wicked.

Oh I see why you didn't quote the part you lied about. You see I gave two examples. You ignored one to spin the argument. I'll make an opinion if you are trolling for attention and respond accordinly now.

On that note. Good night.

[Onyx Jaguar]

EVERYONE STOP TROLLING AND CONVINCE OTHERS OF BASE OPINIONS BASED ON FACTS AND LIES

[Malanek]

philbo1965uk wrote...

All credit to the DAO team...I'm sure DAO2 will be great.

Though It doesn't appeal to me.

I am sure the Bioware team would consider "the point" being they produce a great game is a better "the point" than directly appealing to you.

philbo1965uk wrote...
I..got into DAO from the first cut-scenes.Fantastic and it hit the spot which is why i take the view it's the best RPG I've played.

It's quite challenging and brave to suddenly cut-off the story and change direction so abruptly..it may work ? just not for me.

IMO the devteam had hit the jackpot and 'could' have made a massive franchise out of DAO.But sadly, I think they missed the point...the appeal..certainly to many.Being the story !   the characters !

I take it you mean the same characters and the same story? I think "the point" to most of Biowares games are the characters and the story, but I fully support using different characters. Continuing using the same characters would have been a nightmare for continuity reasons. They just end up in so many different situations. I'm looking forward to the new characters and a new story (enhanced by what we already know about Thedas) more than anything else we have heard about the game.

[aznsoisauce]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

But if I am told something is something and then when I see that something I am going to perceive it as being that something

Then the somethings that you're talking about are still the same thing. But that doesn't change the characteristics of that something to make it something else.

 Otherwise, you are a wizard.

[Wicked 702]

Helena Tylena wrote...

No, I'm going on what I've seen in what I think are the same gameplay vids you saw. Only I payed attention to things like action bar (or whatever the console alternative is called) and mechanics, rather than focussing on the speed and animations of the combat.
Which, admittedly, looked pretty wicked.

Thanks!

Er um...oh wait.

[Onyx Jaguar]

aznsoisauce wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

But if I am told something is something and then when I see that something I am going to perceive it as being that something

Then the somethings that you're talking about are still the same thing. But that doesn't change the characteristics of that something to make it something else.

 Otherwise, you are a wizard.

The characteristics don't change and neither my perception, however my perception of the characterstics are different from someone elses.  So my differing perception would affect my opinion.

[Saibh]

Faz432 wrote...

Don't just jump into a dicussion without reading what was wrote before, it makes you look like an ass.

Now go back and read it, there's a good little Saibh.

...You mean the discussion I've been a part of since page two?

What would the game possibly concern that would be more valid as a sequel not about the Warden, if not a survivor of the Blight? Should it have been about Sten? Or what?