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[Ziggeh]

In Exile wrote...

Has anyone heard of combinatiorial explosion?

Ooh, good term, noted for future use.

[Maria Caliban]

In Exile wrote...

Has anyone heard of combinatiorial explosion?

Sure, but I don't know what this conversation has to do with sex.

Saibh wrote...


If the game was about Sten or Oghren or Leliana it would be even less of a Dragon Age game because out goes your roleplaying. Your companions (on top of probably being dead) have their own personality. As does anyone you meet. So they game can't be about them. Should it have been about the Blight, again? The Warden already dealt with that. Whatever you do will always come second to him.

Hmm? You seem to be suggesting here that an RPG with a fixed protagonist isn't a RPG. I disagree. The Nameless One, JC Denton, and the Witcher are all fixed protagonists.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 10 novembre 2010 - 02:19 .

[Faz432]

Back to the Star Wars example -

Star Wars: A new hope - That title set us up for a story at the beginning and as we find out has a solid continuation. Even when they went back and did the new movies they had the solid continuation with charaters we knew.

Dragon Age: Origins - That title sets us up with the same beginning but instead of delving into a continuation we're branching off. With seemingly touching on one person's story now going off and touching on another person's with no relation.

Modifié par Faz432, 10 novembre 2010 - 02:24 .

[Meltemph]

The more of these types of topics I see(and specifically, essentially the same people), the more I find myself agreeing with Albert Einstein.

[Helena Tylena]

Faz432 wrote...

Back to the Star Wars example -

Star Wars: A new hope - That title set us up for a story at the beginning and as we find out has a solid continuation. Even when they went back and did the new movies they had the solid continuation with charaters we knew.

Dragon Age: Origins - That title sets us up with the same beginning but instead of delving into a continuation we're branching off.

Except that Origins was A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi in one. You could make an entire game about your chosen Origin and the battle of Ostagar, then make a sequel about gathering your army, and then a third sequel about the battle of Denerim.
They would be fairly good games, too.

[Saibh]

Maria Caliban wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Has anyone heard of combinatiorial explosion?

Sure, but I don't know what this conversation has to do with sex.

Saibh wrote...


If the game was about Sten or Oghren or Leliana it would be even less of a Dragon Age game because out goes your roleplaying. Your companions (on top of probably being dead) have their own personality. As does anyone you meet. So they game can't be about them. Should it have been about the Blight, again? The Warden already dealt with that. Whatever you do will always come second to him.

Hmm? You seem to be suggesting here that an RPG with a fixed protagonist isn't a RPG. I disagree. The Nameless One, JC Denton, and the Witcher are all fixed protagonists.

Not at all. I'm saying that it really wouldn't have felt like a Dragon Age game, playing as Sten. With his particular dogma and doctrine and his personality about a game that revolved around him. I don't think I'd mind it as a DLC or spin-off, but not really as a sequel.

Can you imagine, what with all the hullabaloo that went on with having a fixed protagonist whom you were allowed to decide the character of, the insanity that would have gone on here?

[AntiChri5]

Star Wars was a movie trilogy, not a videogame with so many different outcomes for so many different characters/events.

To realistically import and continue as the Warden they would need to minimize the impact of all your decisions in Origins.

It is better for the Warden to be left alone, not destroyed by a retcon to justify keeping the same character for a sequal for some arbitrary reason.

[Helena Tylena]

Meltemph wrote...

The more of these types of topics I see(and specifically, essentially the same people), the more I find myself agreeing with Albert Einstein.

Yes, E very much is MC2

[Faz432]

Helena Tylena wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Back to the Star Wars example -

Star Wars: A new hope - That title set us up for a story at the beginning and as we find out has a solid continuation. Even when they went back and did the new movies they had the solid continuation with charaters we knew.

Dragon Age: Origins - That title sets us up with the same beginning but instead of delving into a continuation we're branching off.

Except that Origins was A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi in one. You could make an entire game about your chosen Origin and the battle of Ostagar, then make a sequel about gathering your army, and then a third sequel about the battle of Denerim.
They would be fairly good games, too.

Fair enough but a lot of people, myself included were thinking bigger than that.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Faz432 wrote...

Back to the Star Wars example -

Star Wars: A new hope - That title set us up for a story at the beginning and as we find out has a solid continuation.

Dragon Age: Origins - That title sets us up with the same beginning but instead of delving into a continuation we're branching off.

You do know that the Origins part doesn't necessarily have to apply to the Warden-character, but rather a chain of events that originate with those in Origins, right?

If I have to say so myself, I'd say the series will probably ultimately just be about Flemeth and Morrigan's struggle, and how they influence the world around them; not just directly, but also through the characters you control.

[SirOccam]

Faz432 wrote...

Fair enough but a lot of people, myself included were thinking bigger than that.

To put it bluntly, that's their problem. Bioware isn't obligated to fulfill every customer's arbitrary expectations.

[Helena Tylena]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Back to the Star Wars example -

Star Wars: A new hope - That title set us up for a story at the beginning and as we find out has a solid continuation.

Dragon Age: Origins - That title sets us up with the same beginning but instead of delving into a continuation we're branching off.

You do know that the Origins part doesn't necessarily have to apply to the Warden-character, but rather a chain of events that originate with those in Origins, right?

If I have to say so myself, I'd say the series will probably ultimately just be about Flemeth and Morrigan's struggle, and how they influence the world around them; not just directly, but also through the characters you control.

This, pretty much. I agree that Morrigan and Flemeth will probably be the focus of the Dragon Age series, and that it was probably intended to be that way since the beginning. Never the Warden, never the Blight.

[Faz432]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Back to the Star Wars example -

Star Wars: A new hope - That title set us up for a story at the beginning and as we find out has a solid continuation.

Dragon Age: Origins - That title sets us up with the same beginning but instead of delving into a continuation we're branching off.

You do know that the Origins part doesn't necessarily have to apply to the Warden-character, but rather a chain of events that originate with those in Origins, right?

If I have to say so myself, I'd say the series will probably ultimately just be about Flemeth and Morrigan's struggle, and how they influence the world around them; not just directly, but also through the characters you control.

Yes I do and I agree, hopefully the running theme in all of this will be the Flemeth/Morrigan struggle, if not then something we're not seeing yet.

SirOccam wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Fair enough but a lot of people, myself included were thinking bigger than that.

To put it bluntly, that's their problem. Bioware isn't obligated to fulfill every customer's arbitrary expectations.

As I said before, don't lead them on then by calling it an origin.

Modifié par Faz432, 10 novembre 2010 - 02:33 .

[Gill Kaiser]

I think that you missed the point. From the very beginning it was pretty obvious that the Dragon Age franchise was going to be about Thedas during the Dragon Age, rather than about any one country or person. I always thought it very unlikely that a sequel would revisit Ferelden and the Warden specifically.

The writers literally spent years just coming up with the history, geography, lore etc of Thedas. There's no need to stay in Ferelden when there's so much more they can show us, and so many more stories that can be told. They pretty much told us that from the very start.

[In Exile]

Maria Caliban wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Has anyone heard of combinatiorial explosion?

Sure, but I don't know what this conversation has to do with sex. 

Whatever you're doing, I think you need to do it more often.

[Maria Caliban]

Saibh wrote...

Not at all. I'm saying that it really wouldn't have felt like a Dragon Age game, playing as Sten. With his particular dogma and doctrine and his personality about a game that revolved around him. I don't think I'd mind it as a DLC or spin-off, but not really as a sequel.

Can you imagine, what with all the hullabaloo that went on with having a fixed protagonist whom you were allowed to decide the character of, the insanity that would have gone on here?

As long as I got my lesbian romance, I'd be fine playing Sten!

I understand what you're saying. Just wanted to qualify.

[Saibh]

Faz432 wrote...

As I said before, don't lead them on then by calling it an origin.

How does a game called "Dragon Age" indicate that it's the origins of the Warden, and not the series? It would have been leading you on had it been called "The Warden: Origins".

[Kaiser Shepard]

Faz432 wrote...

Fair enough but a lot of people, myself included were thinking bigger than that.

Bigger how? By constraining the entire series, one set on a huge continent with many different cultures and politics, to be seen from the perspective of merely one character? Not to mention that that character could either be dead, happily maried, elevated to the position of king, queen or teyrn... or even be on a long, strange trip through magical mirror land.

E: Ninja'd by the other Kaiser, marvelous.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 10 novembre 2010 - 02:38 .

[Saibh]

Maria Caliban wrote...

As long as I got my lesbian romance, I'd be fine playing Sten! 

So, Sten would've been a transvestite?

[Meltemph]

Helena Tylena wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

The more of these types of topics I see(and specifically, essentially the same people), the more I find myself agreeing with Albert Einstein.

Yes, E very much is MC2

Was more talking about this one...

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. 

[In Exile]

Saibh wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

As I said before, don't lead them on then by calling it an origin.

How does a game called "Dragon Age" indicate that it's the origins of the Warden, and not the series? It would have been leading you on had it been called "The Warden: Origins".

More to the point, Origins was something they added to the title about 7 months from release, and we all went WTF?

[SirOccam]

Faz432 wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Fair enough but a lot of people, myself included were thinking bigger than that.

To put it bluntly, that's their problem. Bioware isn't obligated to fulfill every customer's arbitrary expectations.

As I said before, don't lead them on then by calling it an origin.

The game's centerpiece was arguably that it featured a number of different "Origins." Why the hell NOT call it Origins?

It's not like they called it "Dragon Age: This One Warden's Story: Part 1 of 3"

[Faz432]

Saibh wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

As I said before, don't lead them on then by calling it an origin.

How does a game called "Dragon Age" indicate that it's the origins of the Warden, and not the series? It would have been leading you on had it been called "The Warden: Origins".

By the fact it's called Dragon Age: ORIGINS.

If you call a story a Origin then that leads you to believe it the start of a larger story that will lead the an end containing the characters and themes started in that origin.

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Fair enough but a lot of people, myself included were thinking bigger than that.

Bigger how?
By constraining the entire series, one set on a huge continent with
many different cultures and politics, to be seen from the perspective of
merely one character? Not to mention that that character could either
be dead, happily maried, elevated to the position of king, queen or
teyrn... or even be on a long, strange trip through magical mirror land.

E: Ninja'd by the other Kaiser, marvelous. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png

Why are you lot trying to put words into my mouth and twist what I say?

Modifié par Faz432, 10 novembre 2010 - 02:42 .

[SirOccam]

Meltemph wrote...

Helena Tylena wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

The more of these types of topics I see(and specifically, essentially the same people), the more I find myself agreeing with Albert Einstein.

Yes, E very much is MC2

Was more talking about this one...

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

I was thinking it was the one about the universe and human stupidity.

[Helena Tylena]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Not at all. I'm saying that it really wouldn't have felt like a Dragon Age game, playing as Sten. With his particular dogma and doctrine and his personality about a game that revolved around him. I don't think I'd mind it as a DLC or spin-off, but not really as a sequel.

Can you imagine, what with all the hullabaloo that went on with having a fixed protagonist whom you were allowed to decide the character of, the insanity that would have gone on here?

As long as I got my lesbian romance, I'd be fine playing Sten!

I understand what you're saying. Just wanted to qualify.

I like how you think.


...your place or mine?