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[Onyx Jaguar]

Damn... too bad those Astronauts aren't wearing full body suits like they use to

[aznsoisauce]

Faz432 wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

As I said before, don't lead them on then by calling it an origin.

How does a game called "Dragon Age" indicate that it's the origins of the Warden, and not the series? It would have been leading you on had it been called "The Warden: Origins".

By the fact it's called Dragon Age: ORIGINS.

If you call a story a Origin then that leads you to believe it the start of a larger story that will lead the an end containing the characters and themes started in that origin.

An origin is not at all indicative of where something ends.

You can keep saying "origins" is misleading -and it is, in a way - but it's so aptly descriptive of a game where you can choose from a number of origins for your Grey Warden.

Which then becomes of no significance to the rest of the series.

My point and I think the point of the OP is that we feel lead to believe, and it would be nice if it did.



*Not specifying that it has to be The Warden.

Once again, "An origin is not at all indicative of where something ends."

And I guess people like the OP were "lead to believe" something that is apparently wrong.

But...by DA2's release, the series will consist of 4 games (5 if you count Awakening) all of which have an important commonality...they exist within the same setting: Thedas during the Dragon Age.

So it's less that people were led to believe something that is wrong and more like those people have missed the point.

[Faz432]

In Exile wrote...

Faz432 wrote...
I find it funny that you say you're not trying to put words into my mouth, but then go on to tell me that I'm saying I am upset that Dragon age is not all about the Warden

I'm not upset at all, but it does get a tad frustrating when people are purposely twisting my words. For the only reason I can assume, to try and lead me off point, to debase my argument.

What was the story that started in DA:O? We beat the archdemon. DA:A introduced the architect and Witch Hunt had Morrigan say a "change" was coming. So what exactly is the DA:O story that isn't being continued?

I've not played Witch hunt but from what I can gather from reviews and such, it seems like a 'tacked' on continuation, an after thought that needed to be done to finished the story started in Origins, as they have decided to go down another direction different that the one intended,or something like that.

I suggest that the original plan was to futher explore Thedas, expanding on the characters and themes from Origins into sequels. That plan, at some point changed and so they decided to put an ending on that arc so they could continue with this new one.

aznsoisauce wrote...


Once again, "An origin is not at all indicative of where something ends."

And I guess people like the OP were "lead to believe" something that is apparently wrong.

But...by
DA2's release, the series will consist of 4 games (5 if you count
Awakening) all of which have an important commonality...they exist
within the same setting: Thedas during the Dragon Age.

So it's less that people were led to believe something that is wrong and more like those people have missed the point.

The setting doesn't make a sequel.

If Lucas did a movie about a droid called Bob and his journey to become the hero of Tatooine would that be a sequel to the Star Wars saga?

No.

Modifié par Faz432, 10 novembre 2010 - 03:29 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Good god, Origins had such an epic finale how are you suppose to top that. It was a fitting place to die.

[Dave of Canada]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Damn... too bad those Astronauts aren't wearing full body suits like they use to

"Try to cut down on costs", they said. "Who's going to mine our planet to death?"

[Maria Caliban]

Helena Tylena wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

As long as I got my lesbian romance, I'd be fine playing Sten!

I understand what you're saying. Just wanted to qualify.

I like how you think.


...your place or mine?

Hey now, shouldn't you take me to dinner first? I don't want you to think I'm easy or something.

I mean, I am easy, but I wouldn't want you to think it.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 10 novembre 2010 - 03:23 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Damn... too bad those Astronauts aren't wearing full body suits like they use to

"Try to cut down on costs", they said. "Who's going to mine our planet to death?"

Just goes to show you Shepard, You cannot Trust Cerberus

You think those probes only came back with a little bit of minerals but no.  They sent ships and just cut you a small percentage.

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 10 novembre 2010 - 03:23 .

[lv12medic]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

So the real question is, how far off the point has DA 2 missed? Will this Apollo 13 not make its way back home?

Apollo 13 won't be able to land because the Normandy came and mined the planet too much until it couldn't sustain any life.

Mass Effect 2 was originally going to have an environmental impact survey mini-game prior to the mining probe mini-game.  Unfortunately, it would make the game from 30-ish hours long to 5,000 hours...

[Helena Tylena]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Helena Tylena wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

As long as I got my lesbian romance, I'd be fine playing Sten!

I understand what you're saying. Just wanted to qualify.

I like how you think.


...your place or mine?

Hey now, shouldn't you take me to dinner first? I don't want you to think I'm easy or something.

I mean, I am easy, but I wouldn't want you to think it.

Now you mention dinner, I am quite hungry... Do you know any good places around?

[In Exile]

Faz432 wrote...
I suggest that the original plan was to futher explore Thedas, expanding on the characters and themes from Origins into sequels. That plan, at some point changed and so they decided to put an ending on that arc so they could continue with this new one.

What does this mean? Expand on what characters? 

DA2 seems to be expanding on the one-hit wonder character Flemeth, who as it turns out saved the life ot the Grey Warden to stop the blight in order to steal the soul of the archdemon. That seems to fit exactly what criteria you gave above.

Since you expected something I didn't, I'd like to know what you were actually expecting. Because from were I'm sitting we're getting exactly the bold portion.

[SirOccam]

Faz432 wrote...

I find it funny that you say you're not trying to put words into my mouth, but then go on to tell me that I'm saying I am upset that Dragon age is not all about the Warden

I'm not upset at all, but it does get a tad frustrating when people are purposely twisting my words. For the only reason I can assume, to try and lead me off point, to debase my argument.

Riiight, so let me get this straight. You didn't particularly want the Warden to be the main character of DA2, and what's more, you didn't expect he would be.

Faz432 wrote...

It's hard, almost impossible to do that without an continuing theme, many, including myself presumed and hoped that theme would be The Warden.

presume = expect
hope = want

But ignore that for now...honestly I didn't expect to find a post so thoroughly contradictory when I went back to re-scan the earlier pages.

What makes you think there will be no consistency? It's still Thedas. Things happened that were on a very large scale, or affected groups that were not limited to one country (the Chantry, for one). Why can't any of those things be the theme?

Modifié par SirOccam, 10 novembre 2010 - 03:38 .

[Faz432]

aznsoisauce wrote...

Once again, "An origin is not at all indicative of where something ends."

And I guess people like the OP were "lead to believe" something that is apparently wrong.

But...by
DA2's release, the series will consist of 4 games (5 if you count
Awakening) all of which have an important commonality...they exist
within the same setting: Thedas during the Dragon Age.

So it's less that people were led to believe something that is wrong and more like those people have missed the point.

The setting doesn't make a sequel.

If Lucas did a movie about a droid called Bob and his journey to become the hero of Tatooine would that be a sequel to the Star Wars saga?

No.

Modifié par Faz432, 10 novembre 2010 - 03:30 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

So what, the Odyssey wasn't a sequel to the Illiad because it stared a relatively minor character? give me a break



Star Wars was designed as a unit, and a sequel can be many things.

[SirOccam]

Faz432 wrote...

I suggest that the original plan was to futher explore Thedas, expanding on the characters and themes from Origins into sequels. That plan, at some point changed and so they decided to put an ending on that arc so they could continue with this new one.

That's...that's exactly what they're doing.

Further explore Thedas = hello, Free Marches
characters and themes = the chantry, flemeth, isabela, templars vs. mages, etc.

[ErichHartmann]

philbo1965uk wrote...
People like Harry Potter film's for a reason....

I approve of a Harry Potter cameo in Dragon Age. Expecto Patronum!

[aznsoisauce]

Faz432 wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Once again, "An origin is not at all indicative of where something ends."

And I guess people like the OP were "lead to believe" something that is apparently wrong.

But...by
DA2's release, the series will consist of 4 games (5 if you count
Awakening) all of which have an important commonality...they exist
within the same setting: Thedas during the Dragon Age.

So it's less that people were led to believe something that is wrong and more like those people have missed the point.

The setting doesn't make a sequel.

If Lucas did a movie about a droid called Bob and his journey to become the hero of Tatooine would that be a sequel to the Star Wars saga?

No.

[Meltemph]

The setting doesn't make a sequel.

Neverwinter Nights, Icewind Dale, Fallout and ect...

[Onyx Jaguar]

This is looking exactly like the "ME 2 isn't a proper part of the trilogy or sequel" BECAUSE SIDE CHARACTERS HAD LESSER ROLES FFS



A sequel or a trilogy can exist purely on a thematic basis, it doesn't even need the characters or setting it just needs either a thematic continuation, a story continuation, a Character continuation, or just a setting continuation. Thats all it needs

[Meltemph]

aznsoisauce wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Once again, "An origin is not at all indicative of where something ends."

And I guess people like the OP were "lead to believe" something that is apparently wrong.

But...by
DA2's release, the series will consist of 4 games (5 if you count
Awakening) all of which have an important commonality...they exist
within the same setting: Thedas during the Dragon Age.

So it's less that people were led to believe something that is wrong and more like those people have missed the point.

The setting doesn't make a sequel.

If Lucas did a movie about a droid called Bob and his journey to become the hero of Tatooine would that be a sequel to the Star Wars saga?

No.

I admit, I laughed more then I should have.  

[SirOccam]

Faz432 wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Once again, "An origin is not at all indicative of where something ends."

And I guess people like the OP were "lead to believe" something that is apparently wrong.

But...by
DA2's release, the series will consist of 4 games (5 if you count
Awakening) all of which have an important commonality...they exist
within the same setting: Thedas during the Dragon Age.

So it's less that people were led to believe something that is wrong and more like those people have missed the point.

The setting doesn't make a sequel.

If Lucas did a movie about a droid called Bob and his journey to become the hero of Tatooine would that be a sequel to the Star Wars saga?

No.

It might be; it would depend on what happened in the movie. It's not necessarily NOT a sequel.

If it turned out some surviving faction of the Empire had set up operations there after the destruction of the second Death Star, then who's to say it wouldn't be a sequel?

No, setting alone doesn't make it a sequel, but the things that DO make it a sequel are (or seem to be, or at the very least still might be) there in DA2. None of us knows enough about DA2 to be making any kind of informed judgement, to be honest.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Honestly all it would need is the setting for it to be the sequel. That is all it would take as the setting is unique to the series

[Helena Tylena]

ErichHartmann wrote...

philbo1965uk wrote...
People like Harry Potter film's for a reason....

I approve of a Harry Potter cameo in Dragon Age. Expecto Patronum!

I would love to have a boy with black hair, bad eyesight and a scar on his forehead waving a short stick at a darkspawn and yelling 'expeliarmus!' and it having no effect whatsoever.
Followed, of course, by the guy's most unfortunate demise.

[Faz432]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

So what, the Odyssey wasn't a sequel to the Illiad because it stared a relatively minor character? give me a break

Star Wars was designed as a unit, and a sequel can be many things.

Erm forgive my ignorance but aren't both those centered around Odysseus?

SirOccam wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Once again, "An origin is not at all indicative of where something ends."

And I guess people like the OP were "lead to believe" something that is apparently wrong.

But...by
DA2's release, the series will consist of 4 games (5 if you count
Awakening) all of which have an important commonality...they exist
within the same setting: Thedas during the Dragon Age.

So it's less that people were led to believe something that is wrong and more like those people have missed the point.

The setting doesn't make a sequel.

If
Lucas did a movie about a droid called Bob and his journey to become
the hero of Tatooine would that be a sequel to the Star Wars saga?

No.

It might be; it would depend on what happened in the movie. It's not necessarily NOT a sequel.

If
it turned out some surviving faction of the Empire had set up
operations there after the destruction of the second Death Star, then
who's to say it wouldn't be a sequel?

No, setting alone doesn't make it a sequel, but the things that DO make it a sequel are (or seem to be, or at the very least still might be) there in DA2. None of us knows enough about DA2 to be making any kind of informed judgement, to be honest.

Don't you see what you did there?

To make it fit as a sequel you had to add themes that ran in the previous stories.

Modifié par Faz432, 10 novembre 2010 - 03:41 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Faz432 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

So what, the Odyssey wasn't a sequel to the Illiad because it stared a relatively minor character? give me a break

Star Wars was designed as a unit, and a sequel can be many things.

Erm forgive my ignorance but aren't both those centered around Odysseus?

The Odyssey he is the Illiad is centered around him and many others.  He was the one if I remember who made the trap at the end and has a presence throughout.

[Helena Tylena]

One of the most important plotlines of the Illiad was the conflict between Achilles and Agamemnon -whcih unfortunately was the only one the movie Troy focused upon. The only thing Odysseus did was suggest they build a wooden horse.