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[Revan312]

I agree to all of you it would be a retcon.. simply one I would have no problem dealing with whatsoever.



Is this going to be implemented? I highly doubt it. But if it ever is in a future installment I would enjoy it, hopefully, if written well.. I just hope people wouldn't be so upset as to take offense at Bioware for adding one in if it ever happened.. That's really all I'm arguing against now.

[Tiax Rules All]

I dont see how a theoretical characters race or half-race makes them likeable or unlikeable. there are exceptions to everybodies rules. I liked elves, hated Valanna, You dont want Half-Elves but maybe someday they would make one you like.So nobady "wins" there. I think it would be a benefit to have half races



I think the bigger issue is wether or not its a big retcon. I really dont feel like Elves mixng and not having half-breeds is written in stone. It can be made to seem that way by predudices and grudges held by Elves, thus thats what they tell their young. Once agian I dont recall seeing a half-elven character in Dao (alistair is debatable) so little or no retcon there. And due to the sheer rarity of interbreeding as it is It can easily be explained why we dont see them everwhere and have not encountered them before we do.

[AlexXIV]

Well I am just thinking there is always the possibility of a genetic anomality. I mean such things happen. So could it be that a child of an elf and a human that looks like a 50:50 between human and elf? I wouldn't say it is impossible and if it happened that it would not retcon anything. Since it would be just the exception that proves the rule.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 10 novembre 2010 - 07:57 .

[Revan312]

maxernst wrote...

Realistically, though, a half-elf would belong to  whatever culture he was raised in.  Are you really visualizing him being shuffled back and forth between the two as if they had joint custody in a divorce court? 

I see them as being cast out of both cultures, not shuffled back and forth.  Essentiually considered a freak to a degree and so, at age, would most likely leave to escape the racial harrassment present wherever he/she lived.

[upsettingshorts]

Well, I'm still going with your stated preference for an impressionable or young half-elf dealing with the internal conflict of where he belongs and treating the protagonist is something like a mentor. If you're just speaking of generic half-elves now... then I would change my opinion to simple indifference to their presence (beyond the retcon).

[Fortlowe]

AlexXIV wrote...

Fortlowe wrote...

Everyone keeps telling me 'no' about dwarf or qunari genes possibly not overriding elf genes but nobody will point me to a source. I'm willing to accept it, but not as hearsay. Til then, I feel the only position to take is that human traits are dominant, but other races may not be so.

If what Sten said is true, elven females would hardly survive Qunari mating rituals, not to mention giving birth to a qunari babe. I'd just put that as the most unlikely thing to happen.

I think he was just messing with Morrigan there. I doubt a Qunari could survive what he described.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Revan312 wrote...

I see them as being cast out of both cultures, not shuffled back and forth.  Essentiually considered a freak to a degree and so, at age, would most likely leave to escape the racial harrassment present wherever he/she lived.

Much like mixed-race Americans in the mid-20th century.

[Leonia]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

'Tis in the novels

In the novels the darkspawn have black blood.  They're already not consistent with the game.

And on the subject of elves the codex is already unreliable.  Immortality.

Fair enough, part of me recalls a conversation with Hahren Valendrian or possibly Shianni where one of the mentions why the city-elves stick to their own and explains that human children are the offspring of human and elven parents but I am still digging through the Wiki and Toolset to find this for sure.

[Revan312]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

I see them as being cast out of both cultures, not shuffled back and forth. Essentiually considered a freak to a degree and so, at age, would most likely leave to escape the racial harrassment present wherever he/she lived.

Much like mixed-race Americans in the mid-20th century.

Precisely like that.

Modifié par Revan312, 10 novembre 2010 - 08:01 .

[Addai]

Wulfram wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Essentially in Zevran we already had a city elf companion.  He's not your typical alienage elf, but more a city elf than Dalish, as he even says himself.

Zevran's as representative of city elves as Leliana is of Fereldens

He is more of a city elf type than Dalish, for certain.  Granted he did not grow up with alienage culture which has its own distinctives, but did grow up in close contact with humans, in a city slum etc.

[upsettingshorts]

You can establish "alien to both cultures" through circumstance in addition to racial heritage. Alienation can result from a host of different reasons. If I have to I'll make some up, but my right brain is tired. Hoping that someone else will either do it or you'll accept the premise.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 novembre 2010 - 08:03 .

[Tiax Rules All]

Revan312 wrote...

maxernst wrote...

Realistically, though, a half-elf would belong to  whatever culture he was raised in.  Are you really visualizing him being shuffled back and forth between the two as if they had joint custody in a divorce court? 

I see them as being cast out of both cultures, not shuffled back and forth.  Essentiually considered a freak to a degree and so, at age, would most likely leave to escape the racial harrassment present wherever he/she lived.

Seems like a good starting point for a companion to me. As good as any other Bioware has written at least.

[Tiax Rules All]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

You can establish "alien to both cultures" through circumstance in addition to racial heritage. Alienation can result from a host of different reasons. If I have to I'll make some up, but my right brain is tired. Hoping that someone else will either do it or you'll accept the premise.

But you dont have to make up reasons why we cant have of half-elf, no need to fight us so hard.

[upsettingshorts]

Tiax Rules All wrote...
But you dont have to make up reasons why we cant have of half-elf, no need to fight us so hard.

True enough.  I'll skip to the end:

If - and I'm not going to ask you to accept this as ideal - an elf could fufill all the other qualifications for the kind of companion you're asking for without being a biological half-elf, would you view that a fair alternative?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 novembre 2010 - 08:06 .

[Addai]

AlanC9 wrote...

I'm with Herr Uhl. It's a lore matter, not an art design matter. They wouldn't have to make any commoner half-elves since human-elf pairings are very rare anyway.

There are few marriages, but there have got to be half-elven babies around given that humans find elves attractive and can mate with them.  We hear about elven prostitutes and the like.  Maric knocked Fiona up pretty quickly, though there could have been something going on with her physically due to the Architect's interference.  But I'm gonna bet she was not the first elven woman to end up with a human child.

Wasn't Slim Couldry supposed to be half-elven as well?

P.S. Maric + Fiona   When do we find out what happened with them???

[Leonia]

Addai67 wrote...
P.S. Maric + Fiona   When do we find out what happened with them???

Hopefully soon!! It's top on my list of "Things I must know about Dragon Age" , probably only second to "What was that promise Maric made to Flemeth?"

[AlexXIV]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

You can establish "alien to both cultures" through circumstance in addition to racial heritage. Alienation can result from a host of different reasons. If I have to I'll make some up, but my right brain is tired. Hoping that someone else will either do it or you'll accept the premise.

But you dont have to make up reasons why we cant have of half-elf, no need to fight us so hard.

You realize though that all npc are done by now and there is no chance that there is going to be changes unless they make a DLC for release in like one year or something? Well in DA2 that is.

[Tiax Rules All]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...
But you dont have to make up reasons why we cant have of half-elf, no need to fight us so hard.

True enough.  I'll skip to the end:

If - and I'm not going to ask you to accept this as ideal - an elf could fufill all the other qualifications for the kind of companion you're asking for without being a biological half-elf, would you view that a fair alternative?

I dont know, maybe? I think the being a half-breed in acuality gives more wieght and reason to feeling outcast/torn/inner struggle then the metaphoracle reasons. So I dont think it would be quite as good. I  would probably think that it was I good idea that could have been made better by going a little further.

[Tiax Rules All]

AlexXIV wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

You can establish "alien to both cultures" through circumstance in addition to racial heritage. Alienation can result from a host of different reasons. If I have to I'll make some up, but my right brain is tired. Hoping that someone else will either do it or you'll accept the premise.

But you dont have to make up reasons why we cant have of half-elf, no need to fight us so hard.

You realize though that all npc are done by now and there is no chance that there is going to be changes unless they make a DLC for release in like one year or something? Well in DA2 that is.

My OP stated that I realise this and If not for 2 then consider for 3. DlC might be fine too.

[Revan312]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...
But you dont have to make up reasons why we cant have of half-elf, no need to fight us so hard.

True enough.  I'll skip to the end:

If - and I'm not going to ask you to accept this as ideal - an elf could fufill all the other qualifications for the kind of companion you're asking for without being a biological half-elf, would you view that a fair alternative?

To a degree, but the actual impact would be on that particular elve's shoulders rather than societies, as, if he/she wanted, they could just travel to another city and be considered one of the elves.

Being mixed race forces the burden onto the individual rather than it being a concious choice.  Now again, this isn't a must from me, but that type of story would appeal to me greatly.  A half-elf that was shunned by everyone in their community, ran away when they could, began to hate all the cultures and meets up with the protagonist as a self-loathing, bitter individual.  It could go from there, maybe he/she saves a whole town and the people see the half-elf through new eyes and accept him/her, or, the same could happen and the half-elf could refuse to be accepted as it's simply to late for apologies, etc etc..

I just think the very small, if any, retcon a half-elf would bring could be wholly made up for with an engaging and deep story that is hard to tell with anything other than through mixed race narrative..

[Tiax Rules All]

this is a quote from Gaider, just read it now. reinforces the technical aspect I mentioned before and in OP.

Gaider

Without getting into the "why" behind the elves-and-humans-produce-humans thing (which I've talked about before), I will talk about why we didn't deal with it in the game. Primarily it's because we didn't have room. There's a lot of things that exist in the Thedas world that we weren't able to get into in Origins -- part of it is due to limited resources, but part of it is also because to properly address it we'd need to do it justice.

[upsettingshorts]

Brand the elf with something permanent. Like an "L" on his forehead for loser that all elves everywhere recognize, but humans don't. But he can't fit in with humans in any way because he's an apostate or something.

(Right brain operating at 26% efficiency)

[Tiax Rules All]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Brand the elf with something permanent. Like an "L" on his forehead for loser that all elves everywhere recognize, but humans don't. But he can't fit in with humans in any way because he's an apostate or something.
(Right brain operating at 26% efficiency)

See I can see how you dont like the idea of this. Its because you wont embrace our idea which has real potential. Instead you make a "scarlet letter" alternative which would surely be lame...

I dont want lame believe me. I want a well written Half-Elf, which is totally doable with the exception of possibly stomping on the OMG retcon crowd.

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 10 novembre 2010 - 08:22 .