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[Leonia]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Brand
the elf with something permanent. Like an "L" on his forehead for loser
that all elves everywhere recognize, but humans don't. But he can't fit
in with humans in any way because he's an apostate or something.
(Right brain operating at 26% efficiency)

See
I can see how you dont like the idea of this. Its because you wont
embrace our idea which has real potential. Instead you make a "scarlet
letter" alternative which would surely be lame...

I dont want
lame believe me. I want a well written Half-Elf, which is totally doable
with the exception of possibly stomping on the OMG retcon
crowd.

Or it's not doable, due to the technical issues you just outlined in that one post of Gaider's. It sounds like a pipe-dream boys, but keep it alive if it keeps ya happy. *goes for coffee*

filaminstrel wrote...

What would be such a retcon about half elves? I thought Alistair was a half elf himself?

Alistair is human. There are no half-elves in Dragon Age. He may or may not be the son of an elf though.

Modifié par leonia42, 10 novembre 2010 - 08:24 .

[upsettingshorts]

I don't see the "caught between two worlds" idea as terribly exciting in the first place, so of course my setups to establish it are going to be half-assed.

Edit: But then if I were in your and Revan's shoes I'd be taking the lack of enthusiasm from your fellow posters as a sign compromise is probably a decent idea, and try to come up with stuff myself.  But that's me

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 novembre 2010 - 08:28 .

[Wulfram]

Addai67 wrote...

He is more of a city elf type than Dalish, for certain.  Granted he did not grow up with alienage culture which has its own distinctives, but did grow up in close contact with humans, in a city slum etc.

Zevran's mostly an Antivan, and a Crow, and his upbringing is very far from the City Elf norm.

[AlexXIV]

filaminstrel wrote...

What would be such a retcon about half elves? I thought Alistair was a half elf himself?

That's not confirmed. I think Maric just liked servant girls too much.

Also I think after reading everything here a retcon wouldn't be necessary.

[Revan312]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Brand the elf with something permanent. Like an "L" on his forehead for loser that all elves everywhere recognize, but humans don't. But he can't fit in with humans in any way because he's an apostate or something.
(Right brain operating at 26% efficiency)

Lol,

It could work, but again, just wear a scarf like Isabella. Really the whole point of the mixed race issue to me is that they had to grow up with it and can never hide it or change that fact.  They'll live with it until they die and no matter how much they wish they were "normal" they can never achieve it.

In fantasy settings, those have always been my favorite stories, the ones that mimic either real history, social issues or narratives on what they wish was different in the now.  X-men was made as a jab at racism during the 60's and a support of the civil rights movement. Sure the story was about fantastical beings with a ton of action and just general drama, but it always kept that underlying progression that mutants wished to be accepted by the normal humans of society.

The same thought here, and although there is plenty on the plate for Bioware atm concerning the franchise, I think they could realize a very fleshed out, dramatic and meaningful interpritation of this type of story..

Modifié par Revan312, 10 novembre 2010 - 08:29 .

[Addai]

Revan312 wrote...

Being mixed race forces the burden onto the individual rather than it being a concious choice.  Now again, this isn't a must from me, but that type of story would appeal to me greatly.  A half-elf that was shunned by everyone in their community, ran away when they could, began to hate all the cultures and meets up with the protagonist as a self-loathing, bitter individual.  It could go from there, maybe he/she saves a whole town and the people see the half-elf through new eyes and accept him/her, or, the same could happen and the half-elf could refuse to be accepted as it's simply to late for apologies, etc etc..

I just think the very small, if any, retcon a half-elf would bring could be wholly made up for with an engaging and deep story that is hard to tell with anything other than through mixed race narrative..

Why would you need a retcon to do a story like this?  Granted, people would not be forced to deal with a mixed race situation due to physical appearance, but someone with an elven parent could still feel social and psychological tensions.

Personally I would love it if we see Alistair deal with this, especially if he is monarch- talk about social pressure.  But they probably won't do this, since there are too many possible iterations of Alistair's story.

[Fortlowe]

filaminstrel wrote...

Fortlowe wrote...

Everyone keeps telling me 'no' about dwarf or qunari genes possibly not overriding elf genes but nobody will point me to a source. I'm willing to accept it, but not as hearsay. Til then, I feel the only position to take is that human traits are dominant, but other races may not be so.

Gaider's last post here says dwarf also overrides elf. (and his other posts also have interesting relevant information pertaining to this issue)

edit: hmm.. I dunno why the link isn't working now.

edit2: or.. maybe it is? what is this shenanigans?

Got it. Confirmation, finally. Thanks a lot!

[Tiax Rules All]

leonia42 wrote...

Or it's not doable, due to the technical issues you just outlined in that one post of Gaider's. It sounds like a pipe-dream boys, but keep it alive if it keeps ya happy. *goes for coffee*

What may not have been doable for Origins may be doable at later times.. Imporving graphics was doable, and invetory and unique companions and PC voiceover and...

filaminstrel wrote...

What would be such a retcon about half elves? I thought Alistair was a half elf himself?

Alistair is human. There are no half-elves in Dragon Age. He may or may not be the son of an elf though.

Might being the key word there. He isnt for sure a son of an Elf

[Tiax Rules All]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I don't see the "caught between two worlds" idea as terribly exciting in the first place, so of course my setups to establish it are going to be half-assed.

Edit: But then if I were in your and Revan's shoes I'd be taking the lack of enthusiasm from your fellow posters as a sign compromise is probably a decent idea, and try to come up with stuff myself.  But that's me

 there is pretty much like 5 people in here anyways, 2 against 3 is hardly a consesus

[Leonia]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Might being the key word there. He isnt for sure a son of an Elf

But us wishful Fiona-as-Alistair's-mum people will keep thinking that he is, you can't change our minds! *gives a stubborn look*

Modifié par leonia42, 10 novembre 2010 - 08:34 .

[Leonia]

'Cause it's a genotype and a phenotype.

[upsettingshorts]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

 there is pretty much like 5 people in here anyways, 2 against 3 is hardly a consesus

/shrug

Worth a shot to get you guys to come up with more of your own compromises.  I'm too tired lol.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 novembre 2010 - 08:37 .

[Tiax Rules All]

leonia42 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Might being the key word there. He isnt for sure a son of an Elf

But us wishful Fiona-as-Alistair's-mum people will keep thinking that he is, you can't change our minds! *gives a stubborn look*

Not trying to be forceful but if it hasn't been written then its not true. and even then it still might not be. Anything can change as Bioware sees fit. I dont want to change my mind either. The minds I really care about changing here is Biowares on the worth of implementing it.

[Addai]

leonia42 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Might being the key word there. He isnt for sure a son of an Elf

But us wishful Fiona-as-Alistair's-mum people will keep thinking that he is, you can't change our minds! *gives a stubborn look*

Indeed!  *waves tiny little Team Fiona flag*

But even if Alistair is not the baby from The Calling, that means Fiona's son is still out there and could still be story fodder.

[Leonia]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Might being the key word there. He isnt for sure a son of an Elf

But us wishful Fiona-as-Alistair's-mum people will keep thinking that he is, you can't change our minds! *gives a stubborn look*

Not trying to be forceful but if it hasn't been written then its not true. and even then it still might not be. Anything can change as Bioware sees fit. I dont want to change my mind either. The minds I really care about changing here is Biowares on the worth of implementing it.

Well, technically it could already be written, we just never get to hear the baby's name, dang it *hopes Gaider drops in on the thread* But yeah, I'm just being silly now because it's 7 am and I am on my first cup of coffee.

This has been fun, cheers!

[Tiax Rules All]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

 there is pretty much like 5 people in here anyways, 2 against 3 is hardly a consesus

/shrug

Worth a shot to get you guys to come up with more of your own compromises.  I'm too tired lol.

Not to be mean but I dont see how its your place to get me to make compramises. I made this thread with a request and some suggestions. Like Bioware likes to hear. You guys are the ones shooting it down on principal. I guess to be fair you have come up with counters suggestiions. But I dont see my ideas as being wrong and in need of being amended or i should take back what I said.

[Nighteye2]

Here is the original tidbit about half-breeds. I haven't seen any reason yet why that bit of lore would have changed.

[upsettingshorts]

Tiax Rules All wrote...
Not to be mean but I dont see how its your place to get me to make compramises. .

I was looking for some give and take, to be honest - I give a compromise, you do, etc - to achieve some common ground.  It's not either person's "place" really.

Edit: Because without that what's the point of discussion?  Both sides yelling back at each other saying "I LIKE IT" and "I DON'T" until they get bored?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 novembre 2010 - 08:48 .

[Leonia]

filaminstrel wrote...

I didn't realize Ferelden scientists had the DNA structures of the different races on lockdown like that...

It's also just a matter of ancestry though, even if he's genetically 100% human, if his mother is an elf, that kind of makes him half elf.

Oh yes, some of the Tevinter magisters did all the research.

They know the secret to life. Itself!

[Tiax Rules All]

Gaider confirms Elf-blooded characters with some minor elven qualities. in that link.



The only thing different between Elf-blooded and Half-elf if you ask me is wether or not I will be able to tell by looking at them in game. No retcon necceasary

[Leonia]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Gaider confirms Elf-blooded characters with some minor elven qualities. in that link.

The only thing different between Elf-blooded and Half-elf if you ask me is wether or not I will be able to tell by looking at them in game. No retcon necceasary

Good point, the elf-blood thing sort of confused me.

I retract my statements about genotypes and phenotypes. Carry on.

Modifié par leonia42, 10 novembre 2010 - 08:55 .

[Firky]

I like half-races in RPGs. The half-orcs in Arcanum blew my mind.



Has this been asked? (Apologies if it has.)



What about the "human" offpring from human and elf - then has a child with an elf? So, the child has 3 out of 4 elven grandparents but is still human?



Very strangely, my 2 boys are blue eyed (like me), despite the fact that my hubby has brown eyes, and is generally dark olive skinned, dark haired etc. Given that no other members of his family have blue eyes and we both remember learning about "dominant/recessive" genes in High School, he always looks at the postman askew. But, I was reading recently, because he was looking at the postman askew, that blue eyes are actually a gene mutation, not "recessive". I dont' really understand all of this, but is that why "half elf human" and elf would still have human?



(Personally I think it would be cool if Alistair was a half elf, had a child with an elf and, when it emerged, went OMG it's an elf. That would be great. But maybe that's just me.)

[Leonia]

Firky wrote...

I like half-races in RPGs. The half-orcs in Arcanum blew my mind.

Has this been asked? (Apologies if it has.)

What about the "human" offpring from human and elf - then has a child with an elf? So, the child has 3 out of 4 elven grandparents but is still human?

Very strangely, my 2 boys are blue eyed (like me), despite the fact that my hubby has brown eyes, and is generally dark olive skinned, dark haired etc. Given that no other members of his family have blue eyes and we both remember learning about "dominant/recessive" genes in High School, he always looks at the postman askew. But, I was reading recently, because he was looking at the postman askew, that blue eyes are actually a gene mutation, not "recessive". I dont' really understand all of this, but is that why "half elf human" and elf would still have human?

(Personally I think it would be cool if Alistair was a half elf, had a child with an elf and, when it emerged, went OMG it's an elf. That would be great. But maybe that's just me.)

It can be a mutation, it can be possible that both of you are heterozygous for blue (that is one dominant gene (brown) and one recessive (blue), or it could just be that eye colour is influened by multiple genes and is harder to predict than some other genotypes (or a mixture of all three possibilities there, genetics is so much fun).

Ah too bad Alistair and my Dalish Warden are both.. well.. Wardens. No way to test that theory out

Modifié par leonia42, 10 novembre 2010 - 08:59 .