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[ald0s]

Tiax Rules All wrote...
Not every race needs to be genetically compatable to have children, i'm not trying to be silly. They already sorta went there with Dwarves. And Dragon's? nah... But we know Elves and Humans can reproduce already so might as well make them more unique I say.

I agree. Even if we assume that human gene codes overrite the elven ones there would or rather should still be fearures that take over from the elven parent. I doubt that they would take over completly but somehow merge themself with human features. One and probably the best excemple for this are the ears. For a halfbreed from human and elf parents they would be pointy but mayby only a little more then normel human ears. Face features would only be smaler and this can be generated threw the da character creator with some skill (that i definitly lack). Size and statue i assume would come in great part from the human part but would still be a litte more agil and slender then human statue...

That leaves ears and statue/body (size, muscle,...) changes for half elf characters or to allow us to build half elf characters.

I think such changes are to late for DA2 and think they will mayby come in feature iterations of the franchise.

[GodWood]

Fortlowe wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Hornless qunari are defects not elf/qunaris. [source]

It says they are not defects and that they are special and they are often made into envoys.

They are defects, the qunari simply do not see them as such (from a cultural perspective)

[Nefario]

GodWood wrote...

Fortlowe wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Hornless qunari are defects not elf/qunaris. [source]

It says they are not defects and that they are special and they are often made into envoys.

They are defects, the qunari simply do not see them as such (from a cultural perspective)

Nay, sir. They are genetic aberrations. Not defects. Defect implies some sort of disadvantage; being hornless does not place a qunari at a disadvantage.

[Daerog]

GodWood wrote...

Fortlowe wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Hornless qunari are defects not elf/qunaris. [source]

It says they are not defects and that they are special and they are often made into envoys.

They are defects, the qunari simply do not see them as such (from a cultural perspective)

Just sounds like a recessive gene to me.

Possibly some sort of genetic disorder where one just can't grow horns.

[GodWood]

Nefario wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Fortlowe wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Hornless qunari are defects not elf/qunaris. [source]

It says they are not defects and that they are special and they are often made into envoys.

They are defects, the qunari simply do not see them as such (from a cultural perspective)

Nay, sir. They are genetic aberrations. Not defects. Defect implies some sort of disadvantage; being hornless does not place a qunari at a disadvantage.

Meh, point still stands

[Leonia]

So.. if they wait until DA 3 or later to introduce "visually" different half-breeds.. that would sort of retcon any half-breeds that existed before that game comes out. That is, assuming half-breeds exist at all, and by the sound of things so far.. they don't really, except half-dwarves but we already know how rare those are (and we don't know for sure what they visually look like). I somehow think it was more of a writing decision than an art decision to not have half-races.

[Tiax Rules All]

Lets keep to to elves and half-breeds, not wether Qunari without horns are defects or mutants and aberations or *insert word that means same f-ing thing... please

[Fortlowe]

We know elven traits are overpowered by human genes. Dwarves and Qunari are still unaccounted for. For all we know human genes overwhelm Dwarf and Qunari genes as well.

[GodWood]

Something I've always wondered.

If my dark haired elf knocked up Leliana would the baby have dark hair too?

[GodWood]

Fortlowe wrote...
We know elven traits are overpowered by human genes. Dwarves and Qunari are still unaccounted for. For all we know human genes overwhelm Dwarf and Qunari genes as well.

Humans+Dwarf=Half Dwarf.
Lore does state this.

[Daerog]

Fortlowe wrote...

We know elven traits are overpowered by human genes. Dwarves and Qunari are still unaccounted for. For all we know human genes overwhelm Dwarf and Qunari genes as well.

We do know human + dwarf = half dwarf. That has been confirmed.

We do know elf + human/dwarf = human/dwarf.

Don't know for certain on qunari.

[Tiax Rules All]

leonia42 wrote...

So.. if they wait until DA 3 or later to introduce "visually" different half-breeds.. that would sort of retcon any half-breeds that existed before that game comes out. That is, assuming half-breeds exist at all, and by the sound of things so far.. they don't really, except half-dwarves but we already know how rare those are (and we don't know for sure what they visually look like). I somehow think it was more of a writing decision than an art decision to not have half-races.

I dont remember meeting any half-breads, or even really hearing about any.. so nothing really needs to be retcon'ed if you ask me.

Once again
Bioware: you now have a half-elf companion
Boards: Wait we have half breeds now?
Bioware: sure, always did but they are rare and never encountered any before now
Boards: oh look a dev confirmed it! now its must be true. seee... (just like Qunari horns)

and then its done...

[Daerog]

It would retcon the novels... but if that's not a problem to BioWare or yourself, okay.

[GodWood]

Tiax Rules All wrote...
I dont remember meeting any half-breads, or even really hearing about any.. so nothing really needs to be retcon'ed if you ask me.

Its pretty likely Alistair is a half elf.

[Leonia]

If they have to redesign Alistair later because he ends up being "half-elven" I think several fangurls might have a fit.

[Fortlowe]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Fortlowe wrote...

We know elven traits are overpowered by human genes. Dwarves and Qunari are still unaccounted for. For all we know human genes overwhelm Dwarf and Qunari genes as well.

We do know human + dwarf = half dwarf. That has been confirmed.

We do know elf + human/dwarf = human/dwarf.

Don't know for certain on qunari.

Looked through the wiki. Can't find confirmation. Is it in the codex?

[Fortlowe]

leonia42 wrote...

If they have to redesign Alistair later because he ends up being "half-elven" I think several fangurls might have a fit.

What if they make him look like Orlando Bloom?

Modifié par Fortlowe, 10 novembre 2010 - 09:54 .

[Nefario]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Lets keep to to elves and half-breeds, not wether Qunari without horns are defects or mutants and aberations or *insert word that means same f-ing thing... please

Well... those words all mean very different things. I feel the need to stick to my guns on that. But you're right; it's off-topic.

Half-elves would require a ret-con. It's pretty clear in the lore (specifically the novels) that the result of elves and humans mating are humans. It wouldn't be as simple a matter as "hey, we have half-elves now!". There'd also be the issue of explaining or discounting previously confirmed acpects of the world.

[Leonia]

Fortlowe wrote...
Looked through the wiki. Can't find confirmation. Is it in the codex?

It's a forum post, somewhere Fortlowe, but I can't for the life of me remember where. Are we sure about elf + dwarf = dwarf? Wouldn't surprise me, elves are really dieing out it seems without pairing off with the other races.

Fortlowe wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

If they have to redesign Alistair later because he ends up being "half-elven" I think several fangurls might have a fit.

What if they make him look like Orlando Bloom?

*insert Sten "No." photo here*

Modifié par leonia42, 10 novembre 2010 - 09:55 .

[GodWood]

Nefario wrote...
Half-elves would require a ret-con. It's pretty clear in the lore (specifically the novels) that the result of elves and humans mating are humans. It wouldn't be as simple a matter as "hey, we have half-elves now!". There'd also be the issue of explaining or discounting previously confirmed acpects of the world.

Like the whole reason why the elves went to war with humans.

[upsettingshorts]

GodWood wrote...
Like the whole reason why the elves went to war with humans.

Just because I can't resist:

Retconning a justification for war?  That would be unheard of !

[Wittand25]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

So.. if they wait until DA 3 or later to introduce "visually" different half-breeds.. that would sort of retcon any half-breeds that existed before that game comes out. That is, assuming half-breeds exist at all, and by the sound of things so far.. they don't really, except half-dwarves but we already know how rare those are (and we don't know for sure what they visually look like). I somehow think it was more of a writing decision than an art decision to not have half-races.

I dont remember meeting any half-breads, or even really hearing about any.. so nothing really needs to be retcon'ed if you ask me.

Once again
Bioware: you now have a half-elf companion
Boards: Wait we have half breeds now?
Bioware: sure, always did but they are rare and never encountered any before now
Boards: oh look a dev confirmed it! now its must be true. seee... (just like Qunari horns)

and then its done...

I am pretty sure the elf+human=human thing does come up in the game or at least in the codex, so this would require a change in the lore.
There can be many explanations why this is that way. For example the different appearance of elfs and humans could originate from a spell that the rulers of Arlathan cast to ensure that the pure bloodness of the inhabitans of the elfen kingdom. Because so every child with other than two elfen parents would not show elfen traits. This is just one possible explanation there are several others that don´t conflict with the lore and the setting.

[Tiax Rules All]

GodWood wrote...

Nefario wrote...
Half-elves would require a ret-con. It's pretty clear in the lore (specifically the novels) that the result of elves and humans mating are humans. It wouldn't be as simple a matter as "hey, we have half-elves now!". There'd also be the issue of explaining or discounting previously confirmed acpects of the world.

Like the whole reason why the elves went to war with humans.

I dont know, I dont feel like its a big deal. I feel like bigger retcons and "previously left out information" (looking at you Qunari) happen all the time.

leonia42 wrote...

If they have to redesign Alistair later because he ends up being "half-elven" I think several fangurls might have a fit.

Darn it Alistair. Stop getting in the way of my dreams! I dont really want to see him anymore anyways. His story is done.

[Nefario]

GodWood wrote...

Nefario wrote...
Half-elves would require a ret-con. It's pretty clear in the lore (specifically the novels) that the result of elves and humans mating are humans. It wouldn't be as simple a matter as "hey, we have half-elves now!". There'd also be the issue of explaining or discounting previously confirmed acpects of the world.

Like the whole reason why the elves went to war with humans.

I'm actually unfamiliar with the particular retcon you're referring to. In any case, just because there's been one already doesn't mean future retcons should be embraced.
Then again, doesn't mean they should be avoided either. My personal preference is, however, the less the better.

[Fortlowe]

Huh. I thought women liked that boy. Aw well, back on topic! I imagine, the next party member BW introduces will be an elf. Likely a dalish elf, considering the dalish origins story. I wonder what he or she will be like? I would like another old-timer like Wynne. Except instead of being all serene and maternal, I want a grouchy old potty mouthed bastard that pretend's to hate your guts. Not because you're human but because you're young and stupid in his opinion.

Modifié par Fortlowe, 10 novembre 2010 - 10:04 .