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[Daerog]

Alistair wasn't born from an elf. Fiona is not his mom. Maric has a third son who is Fiona's kid, but Alistair was born of a human commoner. I'm sticking with this theory as it makes the most sense with no retconning needed anywhere.

[Tiax Rules All]

Wittand25 wrote...
I am pretty sure the elf+human=human thing does come up in the game or at least in the codex, so this would require a change in the lore.
There can be many explanations why this is that way. For example the different appearance of elfs and humans could originate from a spell that the rulers of Arlathan cast to ensure that the pure bloodness of the inhabitans of the elfen kingdom. Because so every child with other than two elfen parents would not show elfen traits. This is just one possible explanation there are several others that don´t conflict with the lore and the setting.

sure, no offence at all but i'm sure Bioware can do a better job coming up with a reason of some sort. Something like "we totally meant to do it that way" and nobody could challange them because they wrote it.

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 10 novembre 2010 - 10:05 .

[GodWood]

Nefario wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Nefario wrote...
Half-elves would require a ret-con. It's pretty clear in the lore (specifically the novels) that the result of elves and humans mating are humans. It wouldn't be as simple a matter as "hey, we have half-elves now!". There'd also be the issue of explaining or discounting previously confirmed acpects of the world.

Like the whole reason why the elves went to war with humans.

I'm actually unfamiliar with the particular retcon you're referring to. In any case, just because there's been one already doesn't mean future retcons should be embraced.
Then again, doesn't mean they should be avoided either. My personal preference is, however, the less the better

You misunderstand my post.
I was highlighting the fact that they'd have to retcon the whole reason why the elves and humans went to war.

[Leonia]

Fortlowe wrote...

Huh. I thought women liked that boy. Aw well, back on topic! I imagine, the next party member BW introduces will be an elf. Likely a dalish elf, considering the dalish origins story. I wonder what he or she will be like? I would like another old-timer like Wynne. Except instead of being all serene and maternal, I want a grouchy old potty mouthed bastard that pretend's to hate your guts. Not because you're human but because you're young and stupid in his opinion.

Jolee is that you?

I think the bit of history GodWood is referring to there is the original conflict between the elves and the Tevinter Imperium, back when elves were still immortal. As humans rose up on Thedas, the elves began to lose their mortality and then were subjugated to slavery. It all went downhill for the elves from there. They can't even hope to regain their numbers now by mating with other races because their genetic code is recessive and they have already lost their immortality so, it's just a matter of trying to avoid extinction now.

Modifié par leonia42, 10 novembre 2010 - 10:11 .

[upsettingshorts]

leonia42 wrote...
Jolee is that you?

That guy was great. 

[Nefario]

GodWood wrote...

Nefario wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Nefario wrote...
Half-elves would require a ret-con. It's pretty clear in the lore (specifically the novels) that the result of elves and humans mating are humans. It wouldn't be as simple a matter as "hey, we have half-elves now!". There'd also be the issue of explaining or discounting previously confirmed acpects of the world.

Like the whole reason why the elves went to war with humans.

I'm actually unfamiliar with the particular retcon you're referring to. In any case, just because there's been one already doesn't mean future retcons should be embraced.
Then again, doesn't mean they should be avoided either. My personal preference is, however, the less the better

You misunderstand my post.
I was highlighting the fact that they'd have to retcon the whole reason why the elves and humans went to war.

Oh! Alright, yes, that I understand. Although I think the results of interbreeding were less important to the withdrawal of elves from human society (and the ensuing war) than the loss of immortality, which I think would still stand even if there were half-elves (though I'm not exactly sure about that). But I see what you're getting at.

[Tiax Rules All]

I want and Elf party member. Whatever kind. But I'm not really into the old cranky Elves. I'm thinking like a young Elf, maybe a little nieve. Wanting to go out and explore, adventure and make a name for themselves and finds Hawke as a mentor. then you can mold them to be good/Evil little Eflings.

[nightcobra]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

leonia42 wrote...
Jolee is that you?

That guy was great. 

agreed, love to pick him on the rescue mission.

jolee"my bones hurt and we don't want that, you should let me out of the cell"

guard"we don't want that, i should let you out"

jolee"you were wrong to let me out, go lock yourself in the cell"

guard"i was wrong to let you out, i should lock myself up"

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 10 novembre 2010 - 10:13 .

[Leonia]

I love it when you insult the Sith on Korriban and one of them is like

Sith: "Do you have any idea how many Sith are on this planet?"

Jolee: "12? No wait, 13!"

Sorry to go off-topic but he is one of my favourite Bioware companions

Modifié par leonia42, 10 novembre 2010 - 10:16 .

[nightcobra]

leonia42 wrote...

I love it when you insult the Sith on Korriban and one of them is like

Sith: "Do you have any idea how many Sith are on this planet?"

Jolee: "12? No wait, 13!"

that joke never gets old:lol:

council: how many generations until the rachni overwhelms us?!

shepard: 3? no, 4.

or

dworkin: don't mind my brother i have complete confidence in my explosive skills.

voldrik:oh yeah?! how many apprentices have you lost until now, 3? no, 4?!

[Fortlowe]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I want and Elf party member. Whatever kind. But I'm not really into the old cranky Elves. I'm thinking like a young Elf, maybe a little nieve. Wanting to go out and explore, adventure and make a name for themselves and finds Hawke as a mentor. then you can mold them to be good/Evil little Eflings.

Eh, that was sort of what happened with Allister. Maybe it's me and my particularly michevious childhood but, every now and again, I find it hilarious to be called '******'  by an old person.

Modifié par Fortlowe, 10 novembre 2010 - 10:25 .

[upsettingshorts]

Just to demonstrate how subjective the whole "enjoyable and interesting companions" thing is:

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I want and Elf party member. Whatever kind. But I'm not really into the old cranky Elves. I'm thinking like a young Elf, maybe a little nieve. Wanting to go out and explore, adventure and make a name for themselves and finds Hawke as a mentor. then you can mold them to be good/Evil little Eflings.

Sweet! Another character to ignore and leave at camp for the whole game!  

[nightcobra]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Just to demonstrate how subjective the whole "enjoyable and interesting companions" thing is:

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I want and Elf party member. Whatever kind. But I'm not really into the old cranky Elves. I'm thinking like a young Elf, maybe a little nieve. Wanting to go out and explore, adventure and make a name for themselves and finds Hawke as a mentor. then you can mold them to be good/Evil little Eflings.

Sweet! Another character to ignore and leave at camp for the whole game!  

how about a young looking immortal elf mage survivor from arlathan? (voiced by david tennant prferably:whistle:)

[Tiax Rules All]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Just to demonstrate how subjective the whole "enjoyable and interesting companions" thing is:

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I want and Elf party member. Whatever kind. But I'm not really into the old cranky Elves. I'm thinking like a young Elf, maybe a little nieve. Wanting to go out and explore, adventure and make a name for themselves and finds Hawke as a mentor. then you can mold them to be good/Evil little Eflings.

Sweet! Another character to ignore and leave at camp for the whole game!  

Wow you think so?  I was thinking young elf, with much uncontrolled power. The potential and the willingness to do great things is there but they need someone to lead them, to show them how to act and the best way to be a hero/villain.  They would have their own personality, i'm not talking somebody that just follows you around but someone who is impressed and influenced by Hawkes actions and deeds and always itching for more. 

I'm sure they will already have plenty of "incredible forces" and "immovable objects" of characters as it were. With stong wills, but I would like a young impressionable elf to mold. I think it would be fun.

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 10 novembre 2010 - 10:36 .

[upsettingshorts]

Well, two of my favorite characters from Bioware games are Sten and Jolee Bindo - just to name two. That should give you an idea what kind of companions I like having around.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 novembre 2010 - 10:37 .

[Tiax Rules All]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Well, two of my favorite characters from Bioware games are Sten and Jolee Bindo - just to name two. That should give you an idea what kind of companions I like having around.

Ya, I dont always like to be told what to do, never liked Sten or Whine Wynne. I want followers or partners. Not parents and nags.

[upsettingshorts]

I don't look at them that way, I think that's the difference.

[nightcobra]

well to me, an arlathan survivor could be interesting as a party member.

so much we could learn about elven lore.

[GodWood]

I don't want yes men.

[Tiax Rules All]

I dont want the another Velanna who is just gonna be biggoted and arogant and human hating. Man I hated her. Arogant and sarcastic worked well for Morrigan but I despised it in Valanna..

[Fortlowe]

I liked Wynne a lot. As snarky and cruel as I tended to be towards my other party members, I really fell for old Wynne and her graceful path toawrds dying. I liked Sten, too. Don't know who Jolee is, but he sounds cool. Allister on the other hand was the real whiner. I like funny party members the most though, so Shale was my favorite. She's probably why I want another grouch.

[upsettingshorts]

GodWood wrote...

I don't want yes men.

Me neither - I love companions who challenge me and have their own perspective even if I violently disagree, with one exception:

[nightcobra]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I dont want the another Velanna who is just gonna be biggoted and arogant and human hating. Man I hated her. Arogant and sarcastic worked well for Morrigan but I despised it in Valanna..

could be something with a twist, an elf that can live so long can either be hateful of humans like zathrian or actually perceive humans as an interesting race to observe.

[Fortlowe]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I dont want the another Velanna who is just gonna be biggoted and arogant and human hating. Man I hated her. Arogant and sarcastic worked well for Morrigan but I despised it in Valanna..

I never paid attention to what she was saying. Me and Ogrhen were, for once, of one mind.

 BOOBS!

[Leonia]

Sadly the magical bosom had no effect on my Wardens.



Though an Arlathan elf would be interesting but I doubt we'll see one. Perhaps a Dalish who is seeking Arlathan?