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[Fortlowe]

Wulfram wrote...

We haven't really had a city elf companion yet. Would be nice.

Zev....sorta.

[Luigitornado]

Ears just need to be more distinctive.



As for half-breeds. I'd rather not see a human with elf ears or something silly like that. It could create a neat dynamic for stories...but other than that it just kind of water's down the significance of having elfs.

[Wulfram]

Fortlowe wrote...

Zev....sorta.

Sorta, but not really

[Ziggeh]

Personally I think that a species should stick to the actual definition of species and not be able to interbreed at all, even if that does conflict with classical rpg definitions.



As for elf born humans, I assumed that was allegorical, suggesting that elfiness was somehow recessive and evolutionarily doomed.

[In Exile]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Who isn't for hot romancables, just harder to do with Qunari and Dwarves I think. (please dont attack me Varric fangurls) I know, I know Thats just like, my opinion man right UpsettingShorts?

That's 95% of the forum, my posts included, heh.

My favorite part of that Phillip Rivers pic?  That I always read it as "one hand happy, other hand sad" - like the hands themselves had feelings. 

Just have to point out I did the same, and I couldn't for the of me understand what it was about, yet was amazed by the sheer awesomeness of it regardless. I actually didn't realize it said otherwise until you pointed it out.

[AlexXIV]

Wulfram wrote...

Fortlowe wrote...

Zev....sorta.

Sorta, but not really

Zev was sorta the elf for every situation. Romance both gender, bit city elf, bit dalish. The mere fact that we had only one dwarf and one elf companion speaks alot for Bioware preferance on races. Not to mention that DA2 only features a human protagonist. ... maybe not enough to shout 'You humans are all racists!', but enough to *raise an eyebrow*.

[upsettingshorts]

Based on the telemetry data I think it would be more accurate to say that most people who played DA:O were "racists."

/didn't take a non-human past Ostagar

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 novembre 2010 - 03:52 .

[Wulfram]

AlexXIV wrote...

Zev was sorta the elf for every situation. Romance both gender, bit city elf, bit dalish.

Mostly, he was an antivan crow.  Or an ex-crow, anyway.

[AlexXIV]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Based on the telemetry data I think it would be more accurate to say that most people who played DA:O were "racists."

/didn't take a non-human past Ostagar

Well my first and fav was city elf and dalish, only then mage and human noble. But I am still a racist, since I hate dwarves as a race. I don't get why it was necessary to invent a race that looks like small fat bearded men (well that counts for the males only).

[AlexXIV]

Wulfram wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Zev was sorta the elf for every situation. Romance both gender, bit city elf, bit dalish.

Mostly, he was an antivan crow.  Or an ex-crow, anyway.

Well that's his proffession, not origin. You can even work for the crows and you get offered a spot in their ranks if you do a good job, that would make the warden a crow too, despite his origin.

[Aermas]

Think of elves as genetic O-Types, their rare genetic structure allows for duplication of the zygote of the one without needing the zygote of the other. Alister is genetically the same as his father, with only a new randomization of his father's DNA sequences.

[M8DMAN]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Schuback wrote...

Why won't we see female qunaris in DA2? I was actually hoping to see one.....

Budgetary (time and resources) reasons.  Same reason we don't have capes or horses, etc. 

So they drew up designs for female quanari but didnt use them? WTF!?

[Addai]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

General comment:  I think my dislike of elves in fiction stems entirely from my dislike of androgynous aesthetics. It also explains how I have a hard time enjoying JRPGs.

I think my dislike started out as something immature, based on my own preconceptions about gender, but even as those evolved as I gained understanding, my aesthetic preferences stuck.

Hence why I like Tolkien elves and especially Noldor.  The men are men and the women kick ass.

To the OP, I'm also nervously awaiting the new elven stuff.  I would like to see the Dalish made more tribal, darker, and fiercer than we've seen them to date.  But all this talk of visually distinguishing them, that makes me nervous.  I hate the goofy looking mutants.   I am fine with elves being elves mostly because of culture and subtle differences in physiology.  In fact, if they make DA elves look much different from humans, it highlights what you're saying about elven traits disappearing all the more.  Going from the leaf-shaped, barely pointed ear to a human ear is not a big stretch.  Going from donkey ears to a human ear, OTOH...

Just say no to donkey ears. 

Anyway, it's possible that elven traits don't fully disappear, they are just more subtle.  Alistair is a templar and has an affinity for the arcane- is that his mother's doing??  Could mage families have elven blood in them somewhere and that's why they're mages?

Modifié par Addai67, 10 novembre 2010 - 05:04 .

[Wulfram]

AlexXIV wrote...

Well that's his proffession, not origin. You can even work for the crows and you get offered a spot in their ranks if you do a good job, that would make the warden a crow too, despite his origin.

He was a Crow since he was 7, which makes it his origin as well as his profession

[Leonia]

Aermas wrote...

Think of elves as genetic O-Types, their rare genetic structure allows for duplication of the zygote of the one without needing the zygote of the other. Alister is genetically the same as his father, with only a new randomization of his father's DNA sequences.

The biologist in me just cringed a bit. We're not talking different species here but rather races, which implies they are all genetically compatible with one another. What you're describing there is something single-celled bacterium would do, not complex organisms that thrive on genetic diversity.

Oh Addai, I'm liking your theory about mages being related to elves.. that's a very intriguing train of thought there. Especially since the elves are more or less the original race of Thedas.

Modifié par leonia42, 10 novembre 2010 - 05:22 .

[Aermas]

leonia42 wrote...

Aermas wrote...

Think of elves as genetic O-Types, their rare genetic structure allows for duplication of the zygote of the one without needing the zygote of the other. Alister is genetically the same as his father, with only a new randomization of his father's DNA sequences.

The biologist in me just cringed a bit. We're not talking different species here but rather races, which implies they are all genetically compatible with one another. What you're describing there is something single-celled bacterium would do, not complex organisms that thrive on genetic diversity.

Well, if the zygote of one parent carries half of the DNA for one human being it is theoretically possible that the elven parent needs only to fill the gaps, they cannot be explained as another race as they have had no history of each other for until humans landed in Thedas. Add to that the fact that they did not age & have differing biological needs we can assume that they could be a separate species or at least accept that it is a possibility.

[AlexXIV]

Wulfram wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well that's his proffession, not origin. You can even work for the crows and you get offered a spot in their ranks if you do a good job, that would make the warden a crow too, despite his origin.

He was a Crow since he was 7, which makes it his origin as well as his profession

But everyone does have that. Leliana was a bard. How can you say she is not a human commoner? Zevran was an Antivan Crow, how can you say he was not a city elf with dalish roots? I mean do you want a city elf with no background he or she is comming from?

[Herr Uhl]

Aermas wrote...

Well, if the zygote of one parent carries half of the DNA for one human being it is theoretically possible that the elven parent needs only to fill the gaps, they cannot be explained as another race as they have had no history of each other for until humans landed in Thedas. Add to that the fact that they did not age & have differing biological needs we can assume that they could be a separate species or at least accept that it is a possibility.

Since when is this a fact? People here said that the skies was the skull of a cow-teat suckling giant that had been carved out, that didn't make it more true.

[Dave of Canada]

M8DMAN wrote...

So they drew up designs for female quanari but didnt use them? WTF!?

They draw designs for a lot of things that aren't used, same with writing and such. It can always be used in the future.

[Aermas]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Aermas wrote...

Well, if the zygote of one parent carries half of the DNA for one human being it is theoretically possible that the elven parent needs only to fill the gaps, they cannot be explained as another race as they have had no history of each other for until humans landed in Thedas. Add to that the fact that they did not age & have differing biological needs we can assume that they could be a separate species or at least accept that it is a possibility.

Since when is this a fact? People here said that the skies was the skull of a cow-teat suckling giant that had been carved out, that didn't make it more true.

Since the elves & codex say that they didn't age until their proximity to humans?:innocent:

[AlexXIV]

Aermas wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Aermas wrote...

Well, if the zygote of one parent carries half of the DNA for one human being it is theoretically possible that the elven parent needs only to fill the gaps, they cannot be explained as another race as they have had no history of each other for until humans landed in Thedas. Add to that the fact that they did not age & have differing biological needs we can assume that they could be a separate species or at least accept that it is a possibility.

Since when is this a fact? People here said that the skies was the skull of a cow-teat suckling giant that had been carved out, that didn't make it more true.

Since the elves & codex say that they didn't age until their proximity to humans?:innocent:

There is no proof for that too. Could just be something made up, like so many things in Dragon Age.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Aermas wrote...
Since the elves & codex say that they didn't age until their proximity to humans?:innocent:

That the elves say it doesn't make it true.  And all of the codex entries are written from an in-setting perspective.

We (the players) have no real reason to believe the elves were ever immortal.

[Herr Uhl]

Aermas wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Aermas wrote...

Well, if the zygote of one parent carries half of the DNA for one human being it is theoretically possible that the elven parent needs only to fill the gaps, they cannot be explained as another race as they have had no history of each other for until humans landed in Thedas. Add to that the fact that they did not age & have differing biological needs we can assume that they could be a separate species or at least accept that it is a possibility.

Since when is this a fact? People here said that the skies was the skull of a cow-teat suckling giant that had been carved out, that didn't make it more true.

Since the elves & codex say that they didn't age until their proximity to humans?:innocent:

The codex says a lot of things. It is intended to have some inaccuracies.

And the dalish that chase their lost glory believe that? Wow, I am stunned.

[Wulfram]

AlexXIV wrote...

But everyone does have that. Leliana was a bard. How can you say she is not a human commoner? Zevran was an Antivan Crow, how can you say he was not a city elf with dalish roots? I mean do you want a city elf with no background he or she is comming from?

Leliana was brought up by Orlesians and is thus culturally Orlesian

I want a city elf who was brought up a city elf.  In an alienage, or at least an elven family.  Rather than someone who was raised by human assassins.

[AlexXIV]

Wulfram wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

But everyone does have that. Leliana was a bard. How can you say she is not a human commoner? Zevran was an Antivan Crow, how can you say he was not a city elf with dalish roots? I mean do you want a city elf with no background he or she is comming from?

Leliana was brought up by Orlesians and is thus culturally Orlesian

I want a city elf who was brought up a city elf.  In an alienage, or at least an elven family.  Rather than someone who was raised by human assassins.

Ah I see, but I think city elves are also a bit human-like. In that case I'd probably prefer a Dalish.