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[zazally]

RageGT wrote...

Heh... for story and characters only, stick with a good book or movie!

This is a fraking computer game series! And The Witcher 1 is one of the best of its genre! I replayed it many times, always trying something new, always a different path, until my final run where I chose exactly what I wanted to import into TW2, which is a milestone in the history of games. Mark my words. You'll see what game will be talked about in 10 years... Origins, probably and definitely, The Witcher.

Combat in TW1 is awesome on Hard diff when we're required to do a bit more than just monster killing. We actually have to study what the monsters are and how to defeat them! Damn that Archspore in the swamp on my first run... almost made me quit the game for good. I insisted and eventually I felt like a real Master Witcher when I could kill it 10 levels before that I had on my 1st run and much easier too. Same with almost every monster in the game. What a pain in the first run, what a satisfaction when I mastered the game!

And I tell you, if the combat was that bad, the game would not gain the reputation it did. After all, it is still a game and not a book or movie! Sure some people can't help but dislike it but not everyone likes the same stuff. Heck, there are people who hates chocolate!

Are you enjoying The WItcher 2?

[DragonRageGT]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

So now that you've all sampled the game for longer, how is it?

Browse a few pages back and read the comments of more people. Don't take just my word for it but I haven't been this pleased with a cRPG in a long long time! One of the best ever in my huge collection but I still have much of it to play!

zazally wrote...
Are you enjoying The WItcher 2?

Oh yeah!!! More than I could imagine and I expected a lot from it because I loved the first one!

Modifié par RageGT, 18 mai 2011 - 08:05 .

[upsettingshorts]

RageGT wrote...

Heh... for story and characters only, stick with a good book or movie!

If I want challenging combat but don't care about the reason I'm there, or why I'm bothering in the first place I'll play a multiplayer FPS.

Combat in cRPGs, and even strategy games like Total War, is compelling to me when I care about why I'm fighting.  If I don't care (about the why) then I don't care (about the how).  

*shrug*

And again, because it's the next page.  I am not saying TW2 is a bad game.  I'm not even saying it isn't a great game.  I'm just saying it bored me to the point of pure apathy.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 mai 2011 - 08:08 .

[zazally]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Heh... for story and characters only, stick with a good book or movie!

If I want challenging combat but don't care about the reason I'm there, or why I'm bothering in the first place I'll play a multiplayer FPS.

Combat in cRPGs, and even strategy games like Total War, is compelling to me when I care about why I'm fighting.  If I don't care (about the why) then I don't care (about the how).  

*shrug*

And again, because it's the next page.  I am not saying TW2 is a bad game.  I'm not even saying it isn't a great game.  I'm just saying it bored me to the point of pure apathy.

Sounds like you wasted your money haha

[upsettingshorts]

zazally wrote...

Sounds like you wasted your money haha

It happens.  Not a big deal.  I even said earlier I'm sure I'll finish it eventually.  

[Apollo Starflare]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I'd compare it to There Will Be Blood, a great, exceedingly well made movie that I barely got through and would never watch again simply because I wasn't hooked by anything or anyone in it. 

I drink your milkshake, I drink it up! Man, that movie brings back good memories.

Alistairlover94 wrote...

I don't get it, why do people hate the swamp from TW1 so much?

Because it was lousily designed in mine (and seemingly a fair few others) opinion. The spawn rates were all over the shop, and tedious to wade through or run from (and really, we shouldn't need to be running from mobs in a singple player RPG in that context), the area was claustrophobic in a bad way with the invisible walls merging into the undergrowth so well sometimes it could be frustrating.

It was just lots of little things like that really. Lots of treking too and fro, gloomy and dull landscape lacking any real colour, and at the end of the day you just spend far too long there. Plus there is the case of the Archespore, a difficult creature to kill at some lower levels that can appear in any number of places on your first visit. I didn't have too much trouble myself but I've seen others cite it as a reason for the frustration that area presents.

With all that said (/rantoff ) I don't think I would have the same problem as Shorts is having with TW2 'version'. Going by the description of it posted earlier it sounds much more interesting visually for starters. Plus I read somewhere that you can reduce the number of respawning enemies now by taking out their nest?

@Rage: Dude, I have to give you props for loving TW1's combat as much as you do. You are definitely in the minority, almost every positive review i've read cites it as being one of the game's least impressive aspects, if not outright slating it. As I've said before I didn't mind it that much after the prologue, I really got into the alchemy and found the silly OTT spins and stabbity killing moves very fun to watch. Despite that I still wouldn't say it was good, just not as bad as most suggest, it just has too many flaws in my opinion, and in the long run grows quite dull and overly fiddly.

[zazally]

I didn't play the first one I hope the combat system is good and easy to get used to

[DragonRageGT]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

@Rage: Dude, I have to give you props for loving TW1's combat as much as you do. You are definitely in the minority, almost every positive review i've read cites it as being one of the game's least impressive aspects, if not outright slating it. As I've said before I didn't mind it that much after the prologue, I really got into the alchemy and found the silly OTT spins and stabbity killing moves very fun to watch. Despite that I still wouldn't say it was good, just not as bad as most suggest, it just has too many flaws in my opinion, and in the long run grows quite dull and overly fiddly.

Well, I don't know. I just loved so much to stick a powered-up silver sword fast attack into a Great Wyvern guts and watch all those numbers roll .. and a finishing steel group attack decapitating a whole bunch of enemies... or watching them suffer in pain from Cynfrid Oil! =)

[mmmu]

Running the game on

i5-750
ATI HD 5850 with 11.5 RC3 drivers
4Gb RAM
Win 7 64 Bit

Game is running flawless on Ultra, SSAO enabled. Only feature disabled UberSampling. Exceeded my expectations with performance. Looks damn good, too. FPS jumping between 40-60.

First few hours of the game feel pretty promising. I like the combat better than the first game and voice acting is much improved as is their story-telling and cinematic approach. We'll see how the game/story opens up.

[Inzhuna]

My other complaint would be dialogue. Imho, it's not very engaging and the voice over is so bland, not compelling at all. Say what you will about DAII but voice over work was brilliant in it.

[zazally]

Inzhuna wrote...

My other complaint would be dialogue. Imho, it's not very engaging and the voice over is so bland, not compelling at all. Say what you will about DAII but voice over work was brilliant in it.

It's much better in The Witcher 2 dunno what weed you're smoking

Modifié par zazally, 18 mai 2011 - 08:30 .

[upsettingshorts]

BioWare's English VA is far superior but that's the native language of the games. I tend to give TW1-2 something of a pass given that the English VA is localized from the original Polish.

In terms of TW2 the VAs I heard given my limited playtime... Triss (cringeworthingly awful), Dandelion (bad), Zoltan (bordering on passable), and Geralt (mediocre) all sounded the same as TW1 to me.  The King, and several other new or minor characters were pretty solid if unremarkable.  

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 mai 2011 - 08:33 .

[mmmu]

Inzhuna wrote...

My other complaint would be dialogue. Imho, it's not very engaging and the voice over is so bland, not compelling at all. Say what you will about DAII but voice over work was brilliant in it.

I think the dialogue is much better written and acted out than in the first game where it was some times near facepalmable. Voice acting and facial animations are not BioWare quality but I think they are decent enough, depends on what you compare it with I guess.

[zazally]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

BioWare's English VA is far superior but that's the native language of the games. I tend to give TW1-2 something of a pass given that the English VA is localized from the original Polish.

In terms of TW2 the VAs I heard given my limited playtime... Triss (cringeworthingly awful), Dandelion (bad), Zoltan (bordering on passable), and Geralt (mediocre) all sounded the same as TW1 to me.  The King, and several other new or minor characters were pretty solid if unremarkable.  

You seem like your hard to please

[zazally]

zazally wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

BioWare's English VA is far superior but that's the native language of the games. I tend to give TW1-2 something of a pass given that the English VA is localized from the original Polish.

In terms of TW2 the VAs I heard given my limited playtime... Triss (cringeworthingly awful), Dandelion (bad), Zoltan (bordering on passable), and Geralt (mediocre) all sounded the same as TW1 to me.  The King, and several other new or minor characters were pretty solid if unremarkable.  

You seem like you're hard to please

Edit: Eww sorry about double posting.

Modifié par zazally, 18 mai 2011 - 08:35 .

[upsettingshorts]

zazally wrote...

You seem like your hard to please

If you'd like I can talk about the incredible presentation of the environments and characters, and the fact I love the weapon and armor design much more than Dragon Age.

There's a lot about the game to like. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 mai 2011 - 08:38 .

[Bryy_Miller]

zazally wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Heh... for story and characters only, stick with a good book or movie!

If I want challenging combat but don't care about the reason I'm there, or why I'm bothering in the first place I'll play a multiplayer FPS.

Combat in cRPGs, and even strategy games like Total War, is compelling to me when I care about why I'm fighting.  If I don't care (about the why) then I don't care (about the how).  

*shrug*

And again, because it's the next page.  I am not saying TW2 is a bad game.  I'm not even saying it isn't a great game.  I'm just saying it bored me to the point of pure apathy.

Sounds like you wasted your money haha

Are you actually that upset that someone doesn't like a game you do?

[DragonRageGT]

mmmu wrote...

Inzhuna wrote...

My other complaint would be dialogue. Imho, it's not very engaging and the voice over is so bland, not compelling at all. Say what you will about DAII but voice over work was brilliant in it.

I think the dialogue is much better written and acted out than in the first game where it was some times near facepalmable. Voice acting and facial animations are not BioWare quality but I think they are decent enough, depends on what you compare it with I guess.

True, Bioware is a master in that art. But then, the budget and studio hours are enourmously bigger than a Polish software studio! Even so, I'm uploading atm my fist TW2 video, the cutscene of the dead of a King. I was a lot more moved by it than by any of Hawke's disgraces in DA2!

The King is Dead (long live the new King of cRPG's) - wait for the link! hehe

[AtreiyaN7]

zazally wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

BioWare's English VA is far superior but that's the native language of the games. I tend to give TW1-2 something of a pass given that the English VA is localized from the original Polish.

In terms of TW2 the VAs I heard given my limited playtime... Triss (cringeworthingly awful), Dandelion (bad), Zoltan (bordering on passable), and Geralt (mediocre) all sounded the same as TW1 to me.  The King, and several other new or minor characters were pretty solid if unremarkable.  

You seem like your hard to please

Because I was actually watching the TW2 gameplay, I have to agree that he's right about those particular VAs. Geralt nearly put me to sleep, and, well, Triss was horrid (EDIT: the English-speaking VAs specifically). I heard Geralt use the f-bomb a few times, but I've never heard that particular word uttered with such an utter lack of passion or anger or, well, anything resembling an actual emotion. 

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 18 mai 2011 - 08:50 .

[HoonDing]

CD Projekt didn't hire Mark Meer, did they?

[Witcha]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

Because it was lousily designed in mine (and seemingly a fair few others) opinion. The spawn rates were all over the shop, and tedious to wade through or run from (and really, we shouldn't need to be running from mobs in a singple player RPG in that context), the area was claustrophobic in a bad way with the invisible walls merging into the undergrowth so well sometimes it could be frustrating.

It was just lots of little things like that really. Lots of treking too and fro, gloomy and dull landscape lacking any real colour, and at the end of the day you just spend far too long there. Plus there is the case of the Archespore, a difficult creature to kill at some lower levels that can appear in any number of places on your first visit. I didn't have too much trouble myself but I've seen others cite it as a reason for the frustration that area presents.

With all that said (/rantoff ) I don't think I would have the same problem as Shorts is having with TW2 'version'. Going by the description of it posted earlier it sounds much more interesting visually for starters. Plus I read somewhere that you can reduce the number of respawning enemies now by taking out their nest?

@Rage: Dude, I have to give you props for loving TW1's combat as much as you do. You are definitely in the minority, almost every positive review i've read cites it as being one of the game's least impressive aspects, if not outright slating it. As I've said before I didn't mind it that much after the prologue, I really got into the alchemy and found the silly OTT spins and stabbity killing moves very fun to watch. Despite that I still wouldn't say it was good, just not as bad as most suggest, it just has too many flaws in my opinion, and in the long run grows quite dull and overly fiddly.

The swamp was annoying to wade through, but by Act 3 I'd powered up Igni and the Silver Style sufficiently that the drowners and Bloedzuigers were little more than ingredient bags to wade through. I collected enough Drowner Brains, Drowned Dead Tongues and Bloedzuiger Blood to last me the rest of the game.

If you have business in the swamps and don't need ingredients just go during the daytime. There are fewer monsters about, and you can see your way around fairly well. I just ran fast along the path going through Melitele's shrine and the lumberjack camp if I had something to do on that side. From there I could just wade to the islands in the centre.

[Witcha]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

BioWare's English VA is far superior but that's the native language of the games. I tend to give TW1-2 something of a pass given that the English VA is localized from the original Polish.

In terms of TW2 the VAs I heard given my limited playtime... Triss (cringeworthingly awful), Dandelion (bad), Zoltan (bordering on passable), and Geralt (mediocre) all sounded the same as TW1 to me.  The King, and several other new or minor characters were pretty solid if unremarkable.  

You can try downloading the Polish language pack and playing with English subtitles.

[upsettingshorts]

virumor wrote...

CD Projekt didn't hire Mark Meer, did they?

They ought to have, he wouldn't have to hedge like he does in Mass Effect.  He's everywhere in BioWare games and always does a great job.

But that's off-topic.

Witcha wrote...

You can try downloading the Polish language pack and playing with English subtitles.

I could but as I said the English VA wasn't the reason I lost interest.  I can deal with that.  

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 mai 2011 - 08:56 .

[DragonRageGT]

The cockatrices cavern and the wyverns island plus that spot with the ghouls and their relatives were enough to make the swamp a great place for me. Not to mention the Kikimore Warriors and the druids and Moreen!!!

Although we can kill the Golem without swinging the sword once, I always went for the battle with it to practice my combos! I loved the combat that much.