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[fchopin]

Damariel wrote...

www.gamereactor.se/grtv/
www.gamereactor.se/grtv/

Thanks for the link.
 
Looks great, i think this could be the best rpg in 2011 if they do their homework.

[Pechvogel]

Piecake wrote...

The poster might never have played the first Witcher, so the quote might actually have made him less likable to him/her.

Evenif the woman demanded help or did something outrageous, that doesnt make him acting like a douche towards her excusable. He still sounded like a douche, and if it was, in fact, a response towards the woman's actions, I would call it petty as well.

Agree. If taken out of context, without any prior knowledge of the universe or the character itself, the response, could be interpreted as rude.

However In my view "rudeness" or "politeness" are purely esthetical concepts, and have little to do with ones morality, and more with manners. I take his response, as simple honesty, expressed with crude language. Which as I stated earlier I find vary fitting and true to the character.

Douchebaggery is not a core quality of Geralts character. The novels and the game to a lesser extent have portrait him as having a well defined values system. Thus I believe he should be judged by his actions not by his choice of words.

Earlier on I stated that his response does not make him any less likable.
What I should have said is: it doesn't make him a bad person (bad in the sense of morally disprovable)
I try to avoid the world "bad" because TW1 has put a lot of stress on the idea of moral relativism,
and it just doesn't feel right. I wasn't trying to deprive anyone of their right to dislike Geralt.

Admittedly I am not a native english speaker, and it is possible that I am misinterpreting the term "douche". I'm considering the possibility that it is a more superficial term than I initially thought, and might indeed refer to ones manners.
That would render my post invalid.
I would be much obliged if someone could clarify this for me.

One could just as easily say "No, that's not my thing."

And wheres the fun in that?

[Piecake]

Pechvogel wrote...

Piecake wrote...

The poster might never have played the first Witcher, so the quote might actually have made him less likable to him/her.

Evenif the woman demanded help or did something outrageous, that doesnt make him acting like a douche towards her excusable. He still sounded like a douche, and if it was, in fact, a response towards the woman's actions, I would call it petty as well.

Agree. If taken out of context, without any prior knowledge of the universe or the character itself, the response, could be interpreted as rude.

However In my view "rudeness" or "politeness" are purely esthetical concepts, and have little to do with ones morality, and more with manners. I take his response, as simple honesty, expressed with crude language. Which as I stated earlier I find vary fitting and true to the character.

Douchebaggery is not a core quality of Geralts character. The novels and the game to a lesser extent have portrait him as having a well defined values system. Thus I believe he should be judged by his actions not by his choice of words.

Earlier on I stated that his response does not make him any less likable.
What I should have said is: it doesn't make him a bad person (bad in the sense of morally disprovable)
I try to avoid the world "bad" because TW1 has put a lot of stress on the idea of moral relativism,
and it just doesn't feel right. I wasn't trying to deprive anyone of their right to dislike Geralt.

Admittedly I am not a native english speaker, and it is possible that I am misinterpreting the term "douche". I'm considering the possibility that it is a more superficial term than I initially thought, and might indeed refer to ones manners.
That would render my post invalid.
I would be much obliged if someone could clarify this for me.

Well, House is a good example as any (Though you might not know the show since you arent a native english speaker).  The dude is a douche, but he also has a defined value system.  Having that doesnt preclude you from being a douche.  A douche is someone who is an **** that has an over-inflated sense of self worth and thinks he is better than and belittles others, all of which can be seen in Geralt's conversation with that woman.  House, as mentioned, is also like this, but I still consider him basically a decent person deep down. 

Personally, I dont agree that you need to consider the universe or Geralt's character.  The response was douchy, plain and simple.  Now, does that necessarily mean that Geralt is a douche?  No, but that response definitely was. 

[slimgrin]

fchopin wrote...

www.gamereactor.se/grtv/

Decent interview, but they usually ask the same questions. The question about trends of dark fantasy in RPG's nowadays, however, was interesting. I know Gop was itching to say, " if there is a trend, we helped start it. " 

And rightly so. I wish he would have said it.

Modifié par slimgrin, 02 mars 2011 - 01:40 .

[Busomjack]

Well, I didn't like the first Witcher even though I respected it for what it is. Nevertheless I just pre-ordered it from Gamestop today along with the Duke Nukem Forever Balls of steel edition.

[slimgrin]

Piecake wrote...

Pechvogel wrote...

He doesnt sound like a douche for not helping her, he sounds like a douche for the way he rejected her.

Good point. Still from my perspective the witcher universe is one filled with crude language and insensibility. That particular response fits the picture. It doesn't make Geralt any less likable.
Calling him a douche seems to be missing the point, perhaps the women had it coming.

The poster might never have played the first Witcher, so the quote might actually have made him less likable to him/her. 

Evenif the woman demanded help or did something outrageous, that doesnt make him acting like a douche towards her excusable.  He still sounded like a douche, and if it was, in fact, a response towards the woman's actions, I would call it petty as well. 

Lol. Maybe it was one of several responses, and I can tell you, my warden and shepard participated in plenty of douchbaggery because Bioware loves providing those options.

[hangmans tree]

She definitely asked for that response...
You do not approach a witcher to ask him for help with a husband...unless the husband is a monster

[Damariel]

or he isn't killed by monster.
Geralt isn't judge, executioner, private detective and for sure he's not a savior of the world.
He's monster-slayer ( Witcher ).
I will not add anything more.

Modifié par Damariel, 02 mars 2011 - 07:17 .

[Anathemic]

Anyone else enjoy TW1 music? I know I sure did.

Here's a fantastic piece from TW1, it's from one of the most famed composers in Poland and inspired from the TW universe (so no death metal and the like here). The piece is found in the Witcher OST files.

Check it Out!

[Mister Mida]

Where exactly is this supposed death metal in TW's OST? I've played through the game twice and I never heared any metal.

[Anathemic]

Mister Mida wrote...

Where exactly is this supposed death metal in TW's OST? I've played through the game twice and I never heared any metal.

The music that rolled in the credits and one of the (4 types I think?) boss music.

Other than that, not much death metal in TW.

[Johnsen1972]

Witcher 2 is going to be LEGEN

wait for it

wait for it


DARY.

Im pretty sure if will be the best RPG this year, since Bioware seem to cut the development cycles of their games to 1-2 years.

Im really looking forward to play Witcher 2. Cant wait. I read a lot of previews and saw many gamesplay videos. The graphics are incredible. It will have 30!!! different endings. 3 years development and loads to explore.

Modifié par Johnsen1972, 03 mars 2011 - 01:31 .

[hangmans tree]

more like 16 not 30 endings
And not endings per se but 16 states of the world you can end the game with based on your decisions.

[slimgrin]

 http://pc.ign.com/ar.../1153286p1.html

[DragonRageGT]

slimgrin wrote...

 http://pc.ign.com/ar.../1153286p1.html

Awesome! Thanks for the link.

"My castle's construction is complete. Never before have I been so proud of an erection" - LMAO!!!

The more I read, the more I want this game. Prolly one of the greatest of all time, no doubt. As for DA2... *sighs*...

[FlintlockJazz]

Pechvogel wrote...

Piecake wrote...

The poster might never have played the first Witcher, so the quote might actually have made him less likable to him/her.

Evenif the woman demanded help or did something outrageous, that doesnt make him acting like a douche towards her excusable. He still sounded like a douche, and if it was, in fact, a response towards the woman's actions, I would call it petty as well.

Agree. If taken out of context, without any prior knowledge of the universe or the character itself, the response, could be interpreted as rude.

However In my view "rudeness" or "politeness" are purely esthetical concepts, and have little to do with ones morality, and more with manners. I take his response, as simple honesty, expressed with crude language. Which as I stated earlier I find vary fitting and true to the character.

Douchebaggery is not a core quality of Geralts character. The novels and the game to a lesser extent have portrait him as having a well defined values system. Thus I believe he should be judged by his actions not by his choice of words.

Earlier on I stated that his response does not make him any less likable.
What I should have said is: it doesn't make him a bad person (bad in the sense of morally disprovable)
I try to avoid the world "bad" because TW1 has put a lot of stress on the idea of moral relativism,
and it just doesn't feel right. I wasn't trying to deprive anyone of their right to dislike Geralt.

Admittedly I am not a native english speaker, and it is possible that I am misinterpreting the term "douche". I'm considering the possibility that it is a more superficial term than I initially thought, and might indeed refer to ones manners.
That would render my post invalid.
I would be much obliged if someone could clarify this for me.

One could just as easily say "No, that's not my thing."

And wheres the fun in that?

I agree with you.  Not knowing anything about the game can easily lead someone to make that assumption, but having read the books you see that Geralt is a monster hunter, and that's all he wants to be, but gets people mistaking his profession for being a mercenary, assassin, thug, murderer, etc and as a result try to drag him into things he really doesn't want to, particularly political stuff.  Knowing the kind of things he gets asked to do, it wouldn't surprise me if that woman's 'problem' with her husband was that he was alive and stopping her from running off with the farmboy and so needed 'solving' in a fatal way.  It's like working on an IT helpdesk and getting your fiftieth call of the day asking for help to fix a VCR...

[Pechvogel]

Piecake wrote...

Well, House is a good example as any (Though you might not know the show since you arent a native english speaker).  The dude is a douche, but he also has a defined value system.  Having that doesnt preclude you from being a douche.  A douche is someone who is an **** that has an over-inflated sense of self worth and thinks he is better than and belittles others, all of which can be seen in Geralt's conversation with that woman.  House, as mentioned, is also like this, but I still consider him basically a decent person deep down.  
Personally, I dont agree that you need to consider the universe or Geralt's character.  The response was douchy, plain and simple.  Now, does that necessarily mean that Geralt is a douche?  No, but that response definitely was.  

Thank you for the explanation (I am familiar with the show). I gave it some thought, and as far as first impression goes, I agree to a certain extant.As rude as Geralt may seem, saying "he thinks he is better than others", is passing judgement on his character. Jumping to conclusions without knowing the motives of both parties, I find premature. 
"over-inflated sense of self" just does not sit well with my idea of Geralt.However my judgement, may vary well be clouded, by the novels I read.Which brings me to the next point:

Piecake wrote...

Personally, I dont agree that you need to consider the universe or Geralt's character.  The response was douchy, plain and simple.  Now, does that necessarily mean that Geralt is a douche?  No, but that response definitely was.

 

But aren't morality and manners (two similar concept working at different level)sets of social norms which determine what is good/evil (acceptable/unacceptable), within a given cultural context? Which in this case, is the fictional universe of the witcher?

FlintlockJazz wrote...

[...] Knowing the kind of things he gets asked to do, it wouldn't surprise me if that woman's 'problem' with her husband was that he was alive and stopping her from running off with the farmboy and so needed 'solving' in a fatal way.  It's like working on an IT helpdesk and getting your fiftieth call of the day asking for help to fix a VCR...

This is pure speculation. However knowing the realities of the witcher word, I find this scenario highly plausible. 

Unrelated: I have this funny filling, that my posts have some serious syntax issues :S

Modifié par Pechvogel, 03 mars 2011 - 12:55 .

[Damariel]

RageGT wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

 http://pc.ign.com/ar.../1153286p1.html

Awesome! Thanks for the link.

"My castle's construction is complete. Never before have I been so proud of an erection" - LMAO!!!

The more I read, the more I want this game. Prolly one of the greatest of all time, no doubt. As for DA2... *sighs*...

nice interview ...

why May 17 is soo far away?....

[Dreadstruck]

Mister Mida wrote...

Where exactly is this supposed death metal in TW's OST? I've played through the game twice and I never heared any metal.

I think you are maybe talking about the 'Vader - Sword of the Witcher' music video that got included on some bonus discs.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 03 mars 2011 - 06:14 .

[DragonRageGT]

Season of The Witch or Season of The Witcher? I'd bet on the latter at the awards for 2011!

[slimgrin]

This journalist sounds like he needs someone to hold his hand through a game. 

The ambiguity of The Witcher is precisely why I liked it so much. I don't want hidden paths flagged like the planets were in ME2, or anything else of that sort. *grumble*


http://www.bit-tech....kings-preview/2

Modifié par slimgrin, 04 mars 2011 - 08:23 .

[hangmans tree]

Not everything in The Witcher 2 is perfectly implemented, however, and
there are occasional hints that CD Projekt has put the form of its world
ahead of the function. Every journalist in the room with us needed help
finding their way out of the city and down the right path, for example,
despite having the mini-map. On two occasions, we ended up rambling
down the wrong path or barrelling forwards with no clear idea of where
we were supposed to be going.



Similar results showed up within the quest itself too. When Dandelion
tries to use his charms and poetic abilities to lure the succubus out of
hiding, for example, he has to recite a love ballad composed of three
verses. The player guides him through this process by choosing the
correct starting lines for each verse. Get it right and the succubus
will open her den for you. Get it wrong and, well, you’ll just have to
keep going until you get it right. At no point is it clear that you’re
supposed to know the order of the lines based on a performance you saw
earlier, nor was it clear that you were supposed to take notes at the
time.



Mercifully, CD Projekt is aware of these problems and producer Tomasz
Gop claimed that many of these issues had already been fixed in the
latest builds of the game and were merely hang-ups left over in the
pre-beta version that we were playing. Gop promised that the full game
would flag hidden paths and important information a lot more clearly,
meaning that you’d hopefully never be left stumbling around confusedly.

I FU©KING HOPE NOT! I dont wanna be guided by a hand, DAMMIT! Whos gonna play the game? Imbeciles with IQ below 80?

[DragonRageGT]

Oh, and for those interested in some metal that matches fantasy RPG, some of my vids are great for that! =)


Dragon Age - Fast Nightmare Dragon Kill


Dragon Age - Rogues have fun too!

[Damariel]

ohhh man... You got sub from me on YT

[Pechvogel]

The second embedded video shows some new tavern footage, with VA.

http://www.ripten.co...ing-a-succubus/