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[_Aine_]

virumor wrote...

I can't help but chuckle each time Letho appears on screen.

He's the evil version of Minsc:

I see more of an older, more evil, scarred and frightening version of this: 

[zazally]

http://www.gamevixen...hp?f=145&t=7008 Nude patch for The Witcher 2 see Triss naked

[Romantiq]

Not sure if posting a nude patch is such a good idea on these forums. "Whispering" We get the message..!!!

[Jan Bartkowicz]

I see you guys concerned with the way we treated Triss/Shani rivalry from the W1 ending up with a CANON solution (Triss) in W2.

We never wanted to make anything CANON, and I promise everything will be explained later on. Yes, Geralt ended up with Triss, but there were reasons behind it. We never used CANON solutions, and we don't want to start now

Modifié par Jan Bartkowicz, 25 mai 2011 - 11:37 .

[Damariel]

Hi Jan nice to see you here

[upsettingshorts]

Jan Bartkowicz wrote...

 there were reasons behind it

Now I haven't gotten terribly far in TW2, and don't have too much invested in the Shani/Triss decision in TW1, but wouldn't deciding the reasons for why Geralt is with Triss be a form of canon?

I personally wouldn't have a problem with that.  It just seems like in a direct sequel some things simply have to remain static or else the narrative will begin to fall apart.  I can't for instance - at least not from what I've seen thus far - decide that I don't want Geralt to be friends with Zoltan and Dandelion anymore and let them hang in the Flotsam gallows.

That Geralt is friends with them is canon.  It's not as if TW1-2 is a sandbox game like say, Fallout: New Vegas.

Also, welcome to the forums.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 25 mai 2011 - 11:56 .

[DragonRageGT]

Maria Caliban wrote...

No adult goes to their bookstore and expects one of the new releases to be ONE OF THE GREATEST STORIES EVER. Very rarely does an adult go to the theater and expect the movie they're going to be ONE OF THE GREATEST MOVIES EVER. Yet game players do in fact assume that the next game they're interested might be ONE OF THE GREATEST GAMES EVER.

Heck, there are people in this very thread saying the Witcher 2 is one of the greatest RPGs ever made.

That is it! No one expects! That's the beauty of it! I expected a good game but as flawed as TW1 at released before the EE. Expectation only leads to frustration. Reality will never match it. When you don't expect you can enjoy the most the release of The abso-fraking-lutely best RPG ever made! And when Persie says it, I believe it! Unless she changed her mind then I'll blame Anders for it!

Now serious, Bryy and you and a few others keep finding flaws in the game as if they diminish it. And then I even read something about opinions being wrong or right. But when zillions of people say it's great and a few says it flawed and don't deserve such praise, perhaps it's time for these few to stop and question their values and judgment.

Unless in cases of colective hysteria, caused by some alucinogen gas or whatever, of course, life has thought me that when I'm on the side of the few that think something is bad but millions think it is good, it is probably good indeed. Same thing when a few think it's good and the huge majority thinks it is bad, usually it is bad. It has some exceptions like everything but.. just think about it.

And I don't even need to agree with the huge majority, just to keep an open mind about the possibility that my opinion is the flawed part of the equation.

[upsettingshorts]

RageGT wrote...

Now serious, Bryy and you and a few others keep finding flaws in the game as if they diminish it. And then I even read something about opinions being wrong or right. But when zillions of people say it's great and a few says it flawed and don't deserve such praise, perhaps it's time for these few to stop and question their values and judgment.

Yeah no, sorry.  I don't endorse or believe in changing ones opinions in light of an appeal to popularity.  Generally speaking, if some flaw is undermining my ability to enjoy a game - or movie, or book, or any form of entertainment - than that does diminish it, in my mind.  Doesn't mean it has to for anyone else.

RageGT wrote...

And I don't even need to agree with the huge majority, just to keep an open mind about the possibility that my opinion is the flawed part of the equation.

Keeping an open mind in general is a good idea.  By that same logic, those who have trouble finding fault in something could learn from those who are (constructively) critical.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 25 mai 2011 - 12:03 .

[Jan Bartkowicz]

Oh... by "explained later on" I meant "in stuff we will release in the future".

[upsettingshorts]

Jan Bartkowicz wrote...

Oh... by "explained later on" I meant "in stuff we will release in the future".

I figured so much. 

Hypothetically speaking, does that mean that - since this is not a canon solution - this released material will allow the player to decide the reasons behind the Shani/Triss decision ending in the latter?  Or will it provide exposition as to how the situation turned out the way it did?  The latter would seem, well, canon-y.  

I understand of course if you're not at liberty to disclose such hints at this time, though.

[Damariel]

Jan Bartkowicz wrote...

Oh... by "explained later on" I meant "in stuff we will release in the future".

we know it ... well good luck anyway

[DragonRageGT]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Yeah no, sorry.  I don't endorse or believe in changing ones opinions in light of an appeal to popularity.  Generally speaking, if some flaw is undermining my ability to enjoy a game - or movie, or book, or any form of entertainment - than that does diminish it, in my mind.  Doesn't mean it has to for anyone else.

Keeping an open mind in general is a good idea.  By that same logic, those who have trouble finding fault in something could learn from those who are (constructively) critical.

Sure, if something prevents me from enjoying a game, I don't play it. I can even say that it's my opinion that such flaw in some part of it is a fun killer for me. But I don't state it as if I were the owner of the absolute truth of the universel. "If I find it flawed then it must be flawed and that should diminish it for everyone else", despite the huge majority in  the planet thinking differently.

I'm not talking about Apples and Oranges. I'm talking about Chocolate! Some people in this planet may hate its taste but I'd say that 99,999% thinks it tastes so good! (can even become an addiction to some!) Now, does Chocolate tastes good or bad?

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RageGT wrote...

Unless in cases of colective hysteria, caused by some alucinogen gas or whatever, of course, life has thought me that when I'm on the side of the few that think something is bad but millions think it is good, it is probably good indeed. Same thing when a few think it's good and the huge majority thinks it is bad, usually it is bad. It has some exceptions like everything but.. just think about it.

Just because something *does* have flaws doesn't diminish any emotional reaction you have to it though, either.   Sometimes, in fact, it is the quirks - the things that are slightly askew from a norm, that make them interesting and slightly more enduring.   Just as a technically "perfect" game, where all the pieces alone are of decent quality, sometimes when put together...well, the synergy is not such that it gels, for you.  And I say for you, because what does it matter if a game is acclaimed, has done everything correctly, the people have a wonderful reputation as a company but in the end.... you don't enjoy it? Doesn't mean you necessarily come onto the internet claiming your own personal opinion is the be-all end all of internet "truths" but still  Personal opinion is relevant, to the extent it stays inside our own heads  It is fun to discuss though.  

Comparing book quality to games.  *shrugs*   I love to read.  The power of words to create full multi-dimensional stories in your mind is fantastic... I adore them.  That said, all the books I have ever enjoyed are not all critically acclaimed. Some of my favorite are rife with errors, cliches and generalizations.  Even poor editing and sometimes glaring moments of poor planning. But, in the end, they gave me something that I enjoyed, for whatever reason.  they entertained me.  That can happen on so many other levels than mere "perfection".  Perhaps one had great dialog, another a mesmerizing sense of atmosphere.   When I was very small, I adored a book called the Root Cellar.  It changed the way I viewed books and the real-life limitations that do not need to exist in books.  For a 7 year old, it was pretty fantastic.  When I got older I loved a book called Pilgrim.  Similar reasoning, but this time it made me hate a certain character so much, I put the book away in disgust for a while until I calmed down about it  I loved that book for various reasons.  Nothing that probably has any relevance to anyone but myself though.  Such is preference.    

When I create characters though, I tend to make at least one thing about the face, body etc - slightly less than perfect.  It isn't always the same thing.  But there is something honest about imperfection, I find.  Something that makes a face or character look slightly more "real".   Personality or emotionally something being unique or slightly "off" is also more realistic.  Perfect people would eventually get pretty boring. 

Back to the quote above however... true, if the majority thinks something is fantastic, and you don't- chances are good that it *is* good.  Doesn't mean you have to like it.  In fact, I love to listen to people who *don't* like something that I do because it is excellent for learning what does and doesn't work, and when. =)  Synergy is a funny beast.  And, to some extent, there is a teeny bit of luck involved in it when it is truly unique.  

Modifié par shantisands, 25 mai 2011 - 12:18 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Jan Bartkowicz wrote...

 there were reasons behind it

Now I haven't gotten terribly far in TW2, and don't have too much invested in the Shani/Triss decision in TW1, but wouldn't deciding the reasons for why Geralt is with Triss be a form of canon?

I personally wouldn't have a problem with that.  It just seems like in a direct sequel some things simply have to remain static or else the narrative will begin to fall apart.  I can't for instance - at least not from what I've seen thus far - decide that I don't want Geralt to be friends with Zoltan and Dandelion anymore and let them hang in the Flotsam gallows.

That Geralt is friends with them is canon.  It's not like TW1-2 is a sandbox game like say, Fallout: New Vegas.

Also, welcome to the forums.

I've only watched gameplay of TW2 from the beginning up to Flotsam, but it seems to me that if you have a default beginning that ignores the player's choices from the first game, then the writers/creators have clearly made a decision that cannot be altered and does not take the player's actions in the first game into account. Regardless of what someone does about Shani/Triss in TW1, the beginning of TW2 (as far as I know) will always show Triss & Geralt together in the tent, correct? Therefore, Geralt and Triss ending up together is canon because it's an immutable, unchangeable fact. Whether or not ther rivalry impacts events later in TW2 is irrelevant imo - as far as the beginning goes, The Triss and Gerlat pairing seems to be set in stone.

[Damariel]

vilnii wrote...

Folks

I need to ask this again now that most have finished the TW2

Which path did you find more rewarding between siding with Vernon Roche and siding with Iorveth?

Why did you make your choice?

There has to be one preferred to the other. The two paths cannot offer an exactly equal experience

I'd really like to know

well both are rewarding... anyway so far ... I not finish Vernon path yet so I can't say which path is better

[upsettingshorts]

RageGT wrote...

But I don't state it as if I were the owner of the absolute truth of the universel.

RageGT wrote...

I'm not talking about Apples and Oranges. I'm talking about Chocolate!

Might wanna work on that.

[MassFrost]

vilnii wrote...

Folks

I need to ask this again now that most have finished the TW2

Which path did you find more rewarding between siding with Vernon Roche and siding with Iorveth?

Why did you make your choice?

There has to be one preferred over the other. The two paths cannot offer an exactly equal experience

I'd really like to know

Iorveth. That had less to do with liking him as a character and more because I really, really enjoyed questing in Vergen. I absolutely love that town.

[fchopin]

Jan Bartkowicz wrote...

I see you guys concerned with the way we treated Triss/Shani rivalry from the W1 ending up with a CANON solution (Triss) in W2.

We never wanted to make anything CANON, and I promise everything will be explained later on. Yes, Geralt ended up with Triss, but there were reasons behind it. We never used CANON solutions, and we don't want to start now

Are you saying there is an explanation on why we found Geralt in bed with Triss in the prologue?
 
If there is i would like to know what it is and i hope it makes sense as i had no choice in the matter when playing the game.

[panzerwzh]

@Jan Bartkowicz
Great Job on the Witcher2 indeed. Looking forward to future products of the Witcher saga.

@vilnii
Personally I prefer Roche's side because the more realistic feeling of political struggle and the vengeful rage. Iorveth's path is more idealistic for me, because you could help freedom fighters/ save Saskia and basically prevent difficult moral choices.

[gastovski]

MassFrost wrote...

vilnii wrote...

Folks

I need to ask this again now that most have finished the TW2

Which path did you find more rewarding between siding with Vernon Roche and siding with Iorveth?

Why did you make your choice?

There has to be one preferred over the other. The two paths cannot offer an exactly equal experience

I'd really like to know

Iorveth. That had less to do with liking him as a character and more because I really, really enjoyed questing in Vergen. I absolutely love that town.

Iorveth ofcourse. We can bang a Succubus because of it so awesome!.

[_Aine_]

vilnii wrote...

Folks

I need to ask this again now that most have finished the TW2

Which path did you find more rewarding between siding with Vernon Roche and siding with Iorveth?

Why did you make your choice?

There has to be one preferred over the other. The two paths cannot offer an exactly equal experience

I'd really like to know

I have not done both yet, so in terms of being able to compare accurately... well, I can't.  

I am fully loving the Iorveth path though.  I recommend it.  ( I have heard the Roche path is equally interesting though and will be trying that...eventually. )

[Damariel]

@fchopin it's probably heavy story spoiler

[DragonRageGT]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

RageGT wrote...

But I don't state it as if I were the owner of the absolute truth of the universe.

Like some people of the loud minority does!

RageGT wrote...

I'm not talking about Apples and Oranges. I'm talking about Chocolate!

Might wanna work on that.

Can't see why. It's not an universal truth but it is the closest it can get to "whatever lives have to die!".

[panzerwzh]

@Damariel
It could be a perfect primary mission for expansion set