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[KnightofPhoenix]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Yes and no.  Take the city elves for example.  I was introduced to the fact they had a plight, and that it sucked.  But what quests were there that directly allowed The Warden to influence it, provided he/she was not themselves a City Elf?

True, and in DA2, you don't really get to influence things either. So...

But I agree, too much Origins vs DA2.

TW1 I thought did the political stuff pretty well, even if I leaned heavily towards Order (Neutral would be second choice, I didn't know it was possible at the time).  TW2, the parts I saw, were interesting too.  I just need to eventually muscle through the bits I simply don't care about to experience the rest, and I will, because TW2 is a good game.

I know that if you side with Roche, the political intrigue starts in Act 1.
SPOILERS: You learn that Loredo is making deals with Dethmold (Henselt's advisor) and Kaedwen, which reveals Kaedwin's attempts to spread influence over the pontar valley (Foltsam being a major commercial hub in the valley), considering the death of both Foltest and Demavend (so you get a nice stealthy assassination mission to remove the traitor Loredo). Act 2 is all about that and the revelation of the conference of Loc Muinne. There, it's almost all political choices.

I am assuming that siding with Iorveth gives you a different perspective on the same political context. One marked by political instability, a shift in the balance of power (potential rise of Kaedwen and Redenia. Radovid FTW), a conspiracy and other things that I will not spoil. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 25 mai 2011 - 03:45 .

[DragonRageGT]

Persephone wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Unless in cases of colective hysteria, caused by some alucinogen gas or whatever, of course, life has thought me that when I'm on the side of the few that think something is bad but millions think it is good, it is probably good indeed. Same thing when a few think it's good and the huge majority thinks it is bad, usually it is bad. It has some exceptions like everything but.. just think about it.

No. By that logic, Lady Gaga is a better singer than Maria Callas. I'll never follow the herd. I like what I like and my opinion is the one that matters to me. I love TW2 myself. But people have every right to dislike it. (And by now the term overrated comes to my mind sometimes when I think of TW2........much as I adore it myself)

No!!! You can't compare Oranges and Apples, right? You can compare Lady Gaga to Britney Spears. Both are Lemons but one actually can sing live in her concerts!

You can compare Maria Callas to Elly Ameling, June Anderson, Arleen Augér, Isobel Baillie... the list is huge! And Callas would be almost unanimously appointed as the top of the list.

And as Zoltan well put it, "You can't deny the benefits of a pig herd, just don't be surprised at all the xit!"

[Persephone]

barenas wrote...

I have to agree about the voice acting being hit and miss. I concur with Upsettingshorts about Triss, very monotone and wooden acting. The other sorceress' in the game sounded much better in their acting. And yeah, the bard, Dandelion, was cringe worthy. Those are the two prime examples, the rest of the acting was good enough though.

I do hate the looting though, I really wish they would fix/improve it, especially when searching crates.

I much preferred Triss' VO actress from the original. And didn't both Dandelion and Zoltan get new VO actors too?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Romantiq wrote...
Witcher 2 less political than DAII? You've gotta be f...kidding me :lol:

TW2 is indeed full of poitics and that's why I think it's a sexy game.

I have to ask. Siding with Roche gives a lot of political choices and variations. Does siding with Iorveth provide that? From what I understand his path gives us more insight on Saskia (whom I find intriguing), Aedirn, Philipa Eilhard and I assume more perspective on the Lodge.

I'm still in the middle of the Iorveth path....but KOP, I think you're gonna love it. Some choices are fiendishly difficult. (Prince Stennis......) And if you like Roche.....he's not out of the picture depending on how you decide.......when I met him again during a certain scenario.....it was awesome.

I am intrigued by the Scoatel, though I picked the Order in TW1 without hesitation, and Roche in TW2 again without hesitation. But I am looking forward to playing it on Iorveth's path, I find him and his band of miss fits intriguing (perhaps a lot of it is due to the eye patch).

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 25 mai 2011 - 03:48 .

[upsettingshorts]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Yes and no.  Take the city elves for example.  I was introduced to the fact they had a plight, and that it sucked.  But what quests were there that directly allowed The Warden to influence it, provided he/she was not themselves a City Elf?

True, and in DA2, you don't really get to influence things either. So...

I actually made a key edit there changing influence to "have an opinion about."  I'm so used to using the word influence that I ended up saying something really different than what I meant, it even contradicts something I said earlier be

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I know that if you side with Roche, the political intrigue starts in Act 1

Man I selected and Backspace'd all those spoilers so fast I should give myself a medal for not reading them, lol.

Oh, and I didn't like Triss or Dandelion's English VAs in TW1, either.  

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 25 mai 2011 - 03:45 .

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Romantiq wrote...
Witcher 2 less political than DAII? You've gotta be f...kidding me :lol:

TW2 is indeed full of poitics and that's why I think it's a sexy game.

I have to ask. Siding with Roche gives a lot of political choices and variations. Does siding with Iorveth provide that? From what I understand his path gives us more insight on Saskia (whom I find intriguing), Aedirn, Philipa Eilhard and I assume more perspective on the Lodge.

I'm still in the middle of the Iorveth path....but KOP, I think you're gonna love it. Some choices are fiendishly difficult. (Prince Stennis......) And if you like Roche.....he's not out of the picture depending on how you decide.......when I met him again during a certain scenario.....it was awesome.

I am intrigued by the Scoatel, though I picked the Order in TW1 without hesitation, and Roche in TW2 against without hesitation. But I am looking forward to playing it on Iorveth's path, I find him and his band of miss fits intriguing (perhaps a lot of it is due to the eye patch).

Heh.

Strangely enough, the character that fascinates me the most on the Iorveth path is Saskia. That gal could teach Anora a thing or two about giving rousing speeches. The nods to Joan of Arc have been called ripoffs elsewhere (Virgin etc.) .....but I dig them because they are realistic and add to the plot.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
I actually made a key edit there changing influence to "have an opinion about."  I'm so used to using the word influence that I ended up saying something really different than what I meant, it even contradicts something I said earlier be

It's true that there are no real choices other than the city elf boon, that reflects your opinion on City elves (though appointing Alistair as king could also be a reflection of those views). But I thought what the game had already is enough to make it very enjoyable.

Of course, I would have preferred more.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I know that if you side with Roche, the political intrigue starts in Act 1

Man I selected and Backspace'd all those spoilers so fast I should give myself a medal for not reading them, lol.

Dang, sorry about that

I edited and hid the spoilers.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...
Heh.

Strangely enough, the character that fascinates me the most on the Iorveth path is Saskia. That gal could teach Anora a thing or two about giving rousing speeches. The nods to Joan of Arc have been called ripoffs elsewhere (Virgin etc.) .....but I dig them because they are realistic and add to the plot.

I do find her intriguing as well, considering that she is charismatic enough to rally humans and nonhumans. But frankly, at least from the perspective of Roche path, Saskia is somewhat of a fool to think she can win a conventional battle. She would have been better off retreating deeper into Aedern and waging a guerilla atttrition war, especially since Henselt is facing domestic opposition.

Oh and beating her like a pulp with Henselt was hilarious.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 25 mai 2011 - 03:50 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Do you people think we could have a thread / group where we can discuss choices, endings and variations?

I am curious at the decisions people made and the rationale behind them.

[PARAGON87]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

@shanti: Dandelion, Triss and Iorveth are my only dislkes with the voice-acting. Well Geralt going "mmhmm" before Triss gets nekkid with magic really made me cringe. Otherwise, damn good voice acting.

I think Geralt and Dandelion's VAs were the only ones that returned, am I wrong?  Triss and Zoltan sounded different this time.

I think the voice acting was a billion times better this time around, the English VAs from the first game sounded like it was directly translated from Polish via Google. 

Modifié par PARAGON87, 25 mai 2011 - 04:07 .

[fchopin]

Persephone wrote...

I much preferred Triss' VO actress from the original. And didn't both Dandelion and Zoltan get new VO actors too?

Yes they have new voice actors and i also prefer the voices from TW1, at least Geralt’s voice is the same.
This game can only be judged by TW1 standards and that is how i will base my final verdict in a few weeks.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Persephone wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Unless in cases of colective hysteria, caused by some alucinogen gas or whatever, of course, life has thought me that when I'm on the side of the few that think something is bad but millions think it is good, it is probably good indeed. Same thing when a few think it's good and the huge majority thinks it is bad, usually it is bad. It has some exceptions like everything but.. just think about it.

No. By that logic, Lady Gaga is a better singer than Maria Callas. I'll never follow the herd. I like what I like and my opinion is the one that matters to me. I love TW2 myself. But people have every right to dislike it. (And by now the term overrated comes to my mind sometimes when I think of TW2........much as I adore it myself)

Well, I'm sure you had a hard time trying to convince all of us how independent-thinking you are by repeatedly explaining how much you love the Witcher 2.

Modifié par JabbaDaHutt30, 25 mai 2011 - 04:36 .

[Gvaz]

XX55XX wrote...

GvazElite wrote...

fightright2 wrote...

Wow, I stepped away in the middle of responding to the metacritic discussion on the last page and found that when I came back to post it, the discussion passed.

Now, I'm beginning to wonder if I should remove it and post it over at the other thread about metacritic.

why remove it when no ones going to read it from now on anyways?

waste of effort imo, just repost it

also the UI is not a minor complaint.

It is. Very minor, actually. I didn't have a great problem sorting stuff in the inventory.

It may be minor to you but for a lot of other people the inventory is easily the worst thing about this game.

off topic but I don't know what it means if I like DA:O, DA2 was literally ALL OF MY HATE compressed into one game, and TW2 was head and heels over both of these combined

Modifié par GvazElite, 25 mai 2011 - 04:36 .

[Nigawatts]

I would say VA's weren't bad, especially Geralt who bored me in the first game but actually had some really good lines in TW2. My favorite was during the Succubus quest and you have Dandelion go ahead into her lair. Geralt's line "That ****ing idiot actually went in." was delivered in a way that just made me rofl.

As for inventory, at first I had issues, but then when I realized that the reason there is so much lootable stuff around towns, is because you should really only gather it when you need it. I mean the hardest thing to get a hold of for me was silver ore, and that was because it's usually very deep in caves.

[Zcorck]

Nigawatts wrote...

I would say VA's weren't bad, especially Geralt who bored me in the first game but actually had some really good lines in TW2. My favorite was during the Succubus quest and you have Dandelion go ahead into her lair. Geralt's line "That ****ing idiot actually went in." was delivered in a way that just made me rofl.

As for inventory, at first I had issues, but then when I realized that the reason there is so much lootable stuff around towns, is because you should really only gather it when you need it. I mean the hardest thing to get a hold of for me was silver ore, and that was because it's usually very deep in caves.

Geralt's VA was better this time around but there's still room for improvement. I just want to feel a bit more personality/attitude from him if you know what I mean.

I'm not much for a scrolling inv in general, but it was alright in TW2. I think that the weight restriction helps prevent it from becoming a mess, unless I mod it that is. Although 250lbs seems kinda low for someone with enhanced physiology.

[Chromie]

fchopin wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I much preferred Triss' VO actress from the original. And didn't both Dandelion and Zoltan get new VO actors too?

Yes they have new voice actors and i also prefer the voices from TW1, at least Geralt’s voice is the same.
This game can only be judged by TW1 standards and that is how i will base my final verdict in a few weeks.

The Voice actors in the original trailers were much better for Zoltan, Kingslayer and Iorverth imo. I'm ok with Iorverth now I kind of like it but I still would have liked the original. Zoltan especially his original sound much more like a dwarf.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I made a Witcher 2 discussion group if anyone is interesting in joning. Spoilers are allowed. 

[Persephone]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Unless in cases of colective hysteria, caused by some alucinogen gas or whatever, of course, life has thought me that when I'm on the side of the few that think something is bad but millions think it is good, it is probably good indeed. Same thing when a few think it's good and the huge majority thinks it is bad, usually it is bad. It has some exceptions like everything but.. just think about it.

No. By that logic, Lady Gaga is a better singer than Maria Callas. I'll never follow the herd. I like what I like and my opinion is the one that matters to me. I love TW2 myself. But people have every right to dislike it. (And by now the term overrated comes to my mind sometimes when I think of TW2........much as I adore it myself)

Well, I'm sure you had a hard time trying to convince all of us how independent-thinking you are by repeatedly explaining how much you love the Witcher 2.

Still trying to bait me, old pal?

How.....unique.

[Tamahome560]

I think I found a bug in the save import:

[SPOILER]

If you go with Vernon to save Anais the Knights of the flaming rose are supposed to be led by Sigfried if he survived, he did survive and didn't appear. Maybe he would only appear if the Order path was chosen and I went neutral but the game guide does not mention that the Order path has to be chosen for him to appear. Anyone has any info on this?

[Spoiler]

[Damariel]

Persephone wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Unless in cases of colective hysteria, caused by some alucinogen gas or whatever, of course, life has thought me that when I'm on the side of the few that think something is bad but millions think it is good, it is probably good indeed. Same thing when a few think it's good and the huge majority thinks it is bad, usually it is bad. It has some exceptions like everything but.. just think about it.

No. By that logic, Lady Gaga is a better singer than Maria Callas. I'll never follow the herd. I like what I like and my opinion is the one that matters to me. I love TW2 myself. But people have every right to dislike it. (And by now the term overrated comes to my mind sometimes when I think of TW2........much as I adore it myself)

hmmm yes they have this right ... if they have some good reasons, not " I don't like dogs because they are dogs" and what it mean? or something more than stupid things like " pff this game is a slasher! Diablo is better in that" <_<

[KnightofPhoenix]

Tamahome560 wrote...
[SPOILER]

If you go with Vernon to save Anais the Knights of the flaming rose are supposed to be led by Sigfried if he survived, he did survive and didn't appear. Maybe he would only appear if the Order path was chosen and I went neutral but the game guide does not mention that the Order path has to be chosen for him to appear. Anyone has any info on this?

[Spoiler]

He certainly appears if you side with the Order. If you side neutral, is Siegfried appointed Grandmaster in Witcher 1 by Foltest?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 25 mai 2011 - 06:44 .

[XX55XX]

Granted, the importation of save games changed so little that it really doesn't matter.

As for decisions, I chose Roche over Iorveth because I have a severe bias against the brooding-elf stereotype, and Roche was just simply so badass. You see him a lot in action during Act III, and I do not regret picking him over Iorveth first at all. (Roche tearing out Dethmold's balls and slitting his throat in the end is just awesome.) Though nearly everyone else you encounter in Roche's path were simply ****s (Dethmold, Henselt, etc.), so I will be playing the game again on Iorveth's side to see how it differs.

I allowed Anais to go with the Temerians because Temeria deserves to be free (and Geralt realizes the value of freedom). I didn't kill Letho because... well... he was just a tool of the Nilfgaardian emperor.

This game really puts Dragon Age 2 and its linearity to shame. It really does. It also nails Dragon Age Origins in that department, too. Right now, I'd say that the only advantage BioWare has over CD Projekt is character design and development (Roche, for all of his awesomeness, was quite a static character).

[Tamahome560]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Tamahome560 wrote...
[SPOILER]

If you go with Vernon to save Anais the Knights of the flaming rose are supposed to be led by Sigfried if he survived, he did survive and didn't appear. Maybe he would only appear if the Order path was chosen and I went neutral but the game guide does not mention that the Order path has to be chosen for him to appear. Anyone has any info on this?

[Spoiler]

He certainly appears if you side with the Order. If you side neutral, is Siegfried appoint Grandmaster in Witcher 1 by Foltest?

No, he does not get appointed GM if you go neutral. I guess that this is the reason he does not appear in my game.

[Blastback]

Okay, I haven't played either of these games, but I'm intrested. They look pretty cool. But I have to ask, are there any mods that allow you to alter the PC's appearance? Or are you stuck with Geralt?