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Archaven wrote...

I posted that earlier.. I wondered is it a joke? Now why would Poland's PM handed Obama The Witcher 2 CE as a gift?

Well that was becasue there was alot of talking about that world economy need more emphasis on new technologies ,etc  and less on "heavy industry" ,etc. So Polish PM presented him few relatively recent polish things including Oscar Nominated "Catherdral" movie by Tomasz Baginski , among few others like "Animated History of Poland" or "City of Ruins" by other author.  few other things including Witcher 2.
It is perfetly normal to give presents in this kind of situations and instead of giving some kind of statuette or some history related things he got more modern things this time.

Anathemic wrote...

The
Witcher saga, both books and games are real highlights for Poland, keep
in mind the country is still young.

Well Poland was founded in year 966 , so over 1000 years ago

Unless you mean change of political system? Then yeah we overthrew communism and transformed into democracy(well transformed back as Poland was once democracy before ww2) bit over 20 years ago , so in this meaning yeah "young".

Well anyway I actually think it was ok move, better imho to give some interesting movies, animations,books ,games and other cultural things that someone might actually use one day even if chance is slight than to give some usual "dust gathering statuettes, figurines or traditional thingies" (ofc tradition is nothing bad but)

Btw same time Obama was in Warsaw there was Central European leaders summit at same time with 20 presidents. Obama was on summit for few hours so he propably was swarmed with presents ;p

Btw there was 22 presidents at same time in Warsaw yesterday lol , city was like fortress afaik

Modifié par Seitur, 28 mai 2011 - 09:01 .

[dheer]

Brockololly wrote...

Hahaha- This is kind of awesome- Obama is visiting Europe and stopped in Poland. So what did the Polish PM give as a gift? The Collector's Edition of TW2!

That's so great! Ha! I bought the GOG version but wish I would have gone all out and bought the collector's edition. I want to put the map and stuff up in my nerd cave computer room.

[orbit991]

YohkoOhno wrote...

Ouch! some drone starts to cry now

Well, people who said that in the VGChartz thread about DA2 sales were ignored when this was brought up. If people are going to analyze sales charts, they should be done as neutrally as possible and with the same measurement criteria. Since Digital Sales don't have the same kind of charts, we can only compare TW2 with DA2 using those charts. We can't add in digital sales because we don't know the figures for either.

I'm just pointing out the simple fact that--as much as I like TW2 and think the game is a more pleasant experience than DA2--I'm a little hesitant to think sales will be huge for this game. Based on what I've seen for all the games on that chart, "Word of Mouth" has very little direct impact. We'll see how quickly the curve slopes down, but I am more or less interest to see how it does in the long run.

Cant use the same criteria since PC sales often are not even listed on VGZ charts, nevermind that many like me buy steam, gog or d2d versions, those are unlisted. I'm not aware of consoles doing to many downloads.

[orbit991]

YohkoOhno wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
Well at the end of the day TW2 is still a far better game anyway so its somewhat moot. Often times crap titles sell huge numbers based off hype, franchise alone, and marketing.

I don't blame CDP for wanting some console sales sucess, but unlike Bioware I'm pretty sure CDPR will do their best to make the PC versions of their games actually feel like a PC version and not a half assed port ala DA2.

Now if you're done trolling the TW2 thread, I'm sure there's a BDF meeting going on somewhere.

It's a pity that anybody who has even a slightly negative opinion is automatically called a troll.  I just said that I liked TW2 more than DA2.  (And I have no idea what BDF means).  I notice there's a lot more criticism on the GOG forums regarding TW2.  I'm just wondering now if TW2 will end up having TW3 if the sales doesn't match up to the hype.  (Or at least not seeing the sequel in America and it being European release only).

They didnt specifically focus on English, they did English,German, Russian and French VO's. The games popularity is bigger in Europe, console games sell well here in the US, but in most of Europe it's PC games.

Yes, I know, but I was pointing out a presentation in Poland speaking the native language showed demo code using the english langugage with Polish Subtitles instead of Polish, which I thought was a bit weird.

Well, English is a lingua franca of the world at this time, so thats not unusual, you will see that during most public presantations.

[Must have name]

I finally ordered this game. Never played the first one. Came today.

All I can say is pretty much everything in it thus far has impressed me. It's still too early to give any concrete opinions, but this definetly looks like it'll make up for the disapointment of DA2.

[shnizzler93]

So, for those of you who have the reviews, what are the main reasons the reviewers are marking the game down? Bugs, gameplay, etc...? If it's just bugs, my plan of just waiting will work out fine, and I don't really care since those can be ironed out.

[slimgrin]

shnizzler93 wrote...

So, for those of you who have the reviews, what are the main reasons the reviewers are marking the game down? Bugs, gameplay, etc...? If it's just bugs, my plan of just waiting will work out fine, and I don't really care since those can be ironed out.

-biggest reason is gameplay is too hard. I have consistently refuted this; it's a mix of tactical thinking and difficult fast-twitch combat. It is not broken. If anything it gets too easy later in the game. Many just weren't ready for the difficulty. In the end, they made a game that doesn't hold your hand. It's an old school approach.

-inadequate tutorial. Bullsh*t. the glossary has all the definitions the player needs.

-there are bugs, and this is a valid complaint.

-inventory is bad. Another valid point.

-some have criticized the ending and short length of the game. both potentially valid complaints.

-its not well optimized..yet. Cd red is busy patching the hell out of this game and that is noteworthy.

-a rare few have actually criticized the writing, to which I completely disagree. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 28 mai 2011 - 09:46 .

[Reod]

shnizzler93 wrote...

So, for those of you who have the reviews, what are the main reasons the reviewers are marking the game down? Bugs, gameplay, etc...? If it's just bugs, my plan of just waiting will work out fine, and I don't really care since those can be ironed out.

Lowest revievs around 60/100+- complains about lack of ingame tutorial and game difficullty , instead of setting it lower (easy) its better to put negative reviev about "this game is to hard" , pride huh?Oh and also about that game doesnt hold your hand (lack of godly golden arrows pointing everything).




Edit : beaten by seconds o.0 , hehe

Modifié par Reod, 28 mai 2011 - 09:44 .

[Brockololly]

shnizzler93 wrote...

So, for those of you who have the reviews, what are the main reasons the reviewers are marking the game down? Bugs, gameplay, etc...? If it's just bugs, my plan of just waiting will work out fine, and I don't really care since those can be ironed out.

I think most comment on the difficulty out of whack early on and the game not explaining the mechanics very well in the beginning, the inventory screen being a bit "meh", combat not necessarily being as responsive as some might like and some mention the ending as being disappointing. But I think most of those are pretty subjective- Its not going to be everyone's favorite game, but I think overall it does far more right than it does wrong.


And as for the sales, as has been mentioned, digital sales are huge for PC games and only looking at retail numbers is very deceptive. The margins for a PC digital copy are always going to be higher than a normal retail copy and with GOG 100% of the money is going to CDPR. So I think the bar for success may be different for a PC only game like TW2 as opposed to a multiplatform game like DA2.

And if I'm not mistaken, TW1 sold a good deal more in Europe too. The Witcher is a bigger deal there and  PC gaming is still more common there than in the US.

[Monica83]

And this happen when you play like a brainless button zombie ****** and approach the fight with only button mashing whitout tactics...

I assume those reviewer likes easy games

[YohkoOhno]

Having played the game, I think I can give a balanced viewpoint. Here are some of the downsides.

1) The game does not introduce itself very well. Most popular games, like Portal, Assassin's Creed, etc, have a good demo and you learn everything through play. This game has a tutorial but it is very minimal and you don't get a sense of learning what you'd need to as much as you'd like. Despite the "hard core" gamers, that is a legitimate gripe. Especially if you aren't used to some things like QTEs.

2) TW2 has an intriguing story, but it is not as polished as, say, the original DA. Part of this comes from you playing a famous character who's stories are available here in North America. I would have felt it more vague (such as the references to other witchers and to Yennefer) had I not already played the original and picked up the first collection of short stories. In this case, Dragon Age Origins was much better and had a fleshed out story from beginning to end, and you found out a lot more about the world through play, not having to read everything. The good game developers know every sequel game is potentially a gamer's first game, so they make sure to introduce mechanics and characters in a good way.

3) There are some general bugs. I've had some crashes, long loading times, and a few bugs that caused problems during battles.

4) Some people might be put off by the M rating--there's a little too much profanity here. I think the C word is overused, and I could do without having people talk about lice.

5) There are some sections that need work--there are sometimes when the save checkpoint system is ill-timed, such as one in Act 2 where you have to repeat two minor battles before taking on a very tough boss. This could be better.  I also found the leveling dodgy--seems uneven.

6) I haven't seen this in reviews, but all the dreaded "lots of choice" is more or less an illusion. True, the game does have a branching Act 2, but for the most part the games major plot points happen regardless. There are a few choices, but it's more linear--from what I've seen, it's mostly a half-dozen choices but a general linear plot--there are critical decisions, but the plot is pretty straightforward. Worse, after replaying Act 2, I felt cheated--I usually only play these games once, so I think this was a bad idea because I didn't really like the "Roche Act II", and would have loved to see those resources instead give me more quests--at least both DAs don't make content mutually exclusive.

It's a good game, but I can see why some reviewers don't think it's the greatest game ever.

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 28 mai 2011 - 09:50 .

[Anathemic]

Krusty84 wrote...

YohkoOhno wrote...

Half of all games sales are in America. Heck, CDPJ focused on the english vo in their foreign presentations. They definitely want to have a hit here.

Yeah true, but Europe is the the biggest pc market in the world and Sapkowski's books are more popular than Tolkien's in  Continental Europe.

Really? I didn't know that. I know Sapkowski is god-status but I didn't think of him surpassing Tolkien in popularity, in Europe of all places.

[ScepticMatt]

I guess the reviewers haven't played gothic (or it was too hard for them too)
Concerning Escapist and similar reviews there are 3 options.
*They are ad-influenced or bought.
*They are delusional (didn't notice the environments)
*They are completely not targeting the same target audience (Awesome-button generation)

In any case, their reviews are worthless to me. I mean, Escapist could at least have mentioned the recycled environments or disjointed plot. Or make sure to check the facts before spreading misinformation (e.g. auto-attack on consoles). But for them DA II is a 5/5 flawless Masterpiece... right. Similar things for the TW2 review, but in reverse.

The game has it's problems (Clunky UI/Minimap, driver problems, launch/DLC/patch errors), but 3/5 while DA II gets 5/5? Come on...

/rant

[slimgrin]

YohkoOhno wrote...

but all the dreaded "lots of choice" is more or less an illusion.

Completely false. you can replay the prologue in the dungeon alone and get multiple results. just like the first game, its very reactive.

Modifié par slimgrin, 28 mai 2011 - 09:59 .

[twincast]

YohkoOhno wrote...

at least both DAs don't make content mutually exclusive.

whoawhoawhoa, don't go poop on one of The Witcher 2's best features.

[ScepticMatt]

Anathemic wrote...

Really? I didn't know that. I know Sapkowski is god-status but I didn't think of him surpassing Tolkien in popularity, in Europe of all places.

I doubt that for central europe, maybe for near-eastern/eastern europe.

6) I haven't seen this in reviews, but all the dreaded "lots of choice" is more or less an illusion

Have we played the same game? Maybe you didn't notice it because outcomes are not completely clear and immediate, but you'll notice the massive impact if you replay the game.

Matt

Modifié par ScepticMatt, 28 mai 2011 - 10:02 .

[Chromie]

shnizzler93 wrote...

So, for those of you who have the reviews, what are the main reasons the reviewers are marking the game down? Bugs, gameplay, etc...? If it's just bugs, my plan of just waiting will work out fine, and I don't really care since those can be ironed out.

The biggest complaints I read about are...

it's too hard. Too many people play this game as if it's a button masher. It's not it's like Demon's Soul. You can't just take on hundreds of enemies and expect to make it out just fine. You have to think and be prepared for fights. Also you can't drink potions during a fight so a lot of people are turned off by that (though I like it). The game expects you to read the Journal/Glossary to understand the weaknesses and attack patterns of the creatures you'll find.

Inventory design. This is a valid complaint and I assume CD Projekt will fix it up in future patches same way they did with The Witcher Enhanced Edition.

Ending. I guess it's valid but CDProjekt is planning on doing full blown expansions instead of small scale DLC. So I say it can be overlooked.

Bugs. Yea this is valid though honestly I haven't had any problems really.

The prologue can be punishing if your ready or patient. The game gives you brief popups that ONLY tell you buttons really for more detailed explantions you have to read the glossary and this seems be the biggest complaint. Too many people are either too lazy to read a bit or don't want to play on easy.

Modifié par Ringo12, 28 mai 2011 - 10:04 .

[orbit991]

shnizzler93 wrote...

So, for those of you who have the reviews, what are the main reasons the reviewers are marking the game down? Bugs, gameplay, etc...? If it's just bugs, my plan of just waiting will work out fine, and I don't really care since those can be ironed out.

Most get frustrated that it's to hard and that essentially the game doesnt hold your hand. I did get my butt kicked in the begining, but I was charging into 3 enemies expecting a hollywood movie, you know you fight one guy while the two others just stand around till you kill him. Here the other two guys go behind you and hit you for 200% damage. So the best early strategy is to use the shield spell and hit and run, dive to the sides etc, on my second play what seemed hard was downright easy, and actually you do become a bit to strong by chapter 2.

Some quests dont have a marker so you can actually think and figure things out, for me at least I prefer that over big gold arrows over peoples heads, most quests do have a marker on the minimap though.

In the end I think it's console reviewers that have the hardest time as they are used to just button mashing through 5 foes. There are legit problems, inventory sucks imo, cant auto sort items properly, as does the fact that when you make potions the game insists on auto placing most rare ingredients into the slots first, you have to manually put the right ingridients in.
One of the sidequests was bugged for me as well, it was called the little sisters, think I did something out of order but it should have worked. Also there is a bit of a problem with controls, I think it's due to the game waiting to finish an animation and sometimes you cant make the next move before it finishes(I just spam the right button though and it does it as quick as possible), but overall I do lke the combat quite a bit, onece you are strong it's a very gratifying slaughter. Other then that I have not run into any other noticable bugs.

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[YohkoOhno]

slimgrin wrote...

YohkoOhno wrote...

but all the dreaded "lots of choice" is more or less an illusion.

Completely false. you can replay the prologue in the dungeon alone and get multiple results. just liek the first game its very reactive.

It's not "completely false". Maybe calling it an illusion is too strong a word. I'm not knocking it but there's only a few critical choice elements that I would consider major. While it's well hyped, in many cases I was surprised just how many elements come back in Act 3. There was a more choice in DA:O that actually affected the end game.

You can, for instance, if you take the Roche path, choose to keep him alive, but he's always defeated in the battle of Vergen, and Saskia always gets taken, and you'll always have to battle the Draug-Demon. You can choose to panic and go after Triss or go save Saskia indirectly. I think there's a lot of choice, but there are more elements here that are a bit similar to DA2 than DA:O in terms of how your choices affect the world. Part of this is also based on it being a licensed game--I know for instance that Geralt can't die, and neither can his companions, while in DA2 I can choose to kill Anders, for instance.

whoawhoawhoa, don't go poop on one of The Witcher 2's best features.

I just can't see people imitating it.  What I did was load an earlier save to follow Roche instead of Ioverth, and while I enjoyed the story, I (a) didn't like the people I ended up with and ( I wasn't interested enough to continue after I uncursed Henselt.

I'd rather see as much of the story I can under one playthrough, because I rarely play a game more than once.  

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 28 mai 2011 - 10:15 .

[DragonRageGT]

Giubba1985 wrote...

Zcorck wrote...

Giubba1985 wrote...

Archaven wrote...

@Giubba1985
Do you meet the recommended system requirement? Even i met the recommended system requirement the game is very unresponsive to me too. Others with better rig/system have no problem with that. And welcome in joining the game. I'm currently upgrading my rig too so i can play the game smooth

Yes i meet the system requirment and for what i can see the command's unresponsiveness it's not due to a graphical slowdown, for taking the more evident case that happened to me as example it happens when i press the block button simply nothing happen ( and i have my vigour at max)

Are you pressing the block button while you're executing a fast/strong attack?

No.
I wasn't moving, i wasn't attacking, i was doing nothing actually except pressing the block button.

It is definitely a bug and reported by more than one player.  But if you quickly move or roll, the command works. Or, as someone suggested, keep the key for the command pressed for a while, seemed to work for me a few times just now, but not all the time as he claimed. Here's my post on GoG and I send the same OP thru the form on TW2 website:

http://www.gog.com/e...s_cdpr_fix_this

[orbit991]

YohkoOhno wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

YohkoOhno wrote...

but all the dreaded "lots of choice" is more or less an illusion.

Completely false. you can replay the prologue in the dungeon alone and get multiple results. just liek the first game its very reactive.

It's not "completely false". Maybe calling it an illusion is too strong a word. I'm not knocking it but there's only a few critical choice elements that I would consider major. While it's well hyped, in many cases I was surprised just how many elements come back in Act 3. There was a more choice in DA:O that actually affected the end game.

You can, for instance, if you take the Roche path, choose to keep him alive, but he's always defeated in the battle of Vergen, and Saskia always gets taken, and you'll always have to battle the Draug-Demon. You can choose to panic and go after Triss or go save Saskia indirectly. I think there's a lot of choice, but there are more elements here that are a bit similar to DA2 than DA:O in terms of how your choices affect the world. Part of this is also based on it being a licensed game--I know for instance that Geralt can't die, and neither can his companions, while in DA2 I can choose to kill Anders, for instance.

Heh no, the choices have their consequences in the end. Roche can end up in a couple differnet ways, a fugitive or working for another KIng, this is a choice you made with him regarding King Hanslet a choice that is further affected by if you took the girl to the King or not. The medallion from the young soldier depending on your choice may not even show up in your game, then again it may on he's body or as a gift from him. Will the son of the Barones in the begining die or live? Will she be tortured or will he blow himself up, looks like your choices change the game there as well.
Acused elven girl, will she be arrested or saved? Depending on that choice the quest plays out in a totally different way.
Since I'm only on my second play these are just off the top of my head, but the game is stacked with quests that play out differently based on your choices. Maybe reload some of your quests and try another way to do them and you will see it changes things quite a bit.

I'm still working on my second play so I'm yet to see how things go in the end with other characters.

[DragonRageGT]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

anyway Kaedwin is better off with Henselt dead (purely opinion here)

having a king dead without a heir really worked well for Temeria.

Yes he is a dick, so what? that matters squat in running a nation.

Especially when sparing him has a cutscene show that Kaedwen is strogner than ever and that thousands of Kaedwenis live better lives.

Henselt dying is a disaster for Kaedwen considering the international context.

He RAPED Ves! No excuse for a sadistic mad king. He's gotta die! Geralt was made a Knight by a Godess. What fraking kind of a Knight would he be if he let that megalomanic sob get away with it?

One of the best episodes of BSG (although all were great) is the one that the Pegasus Interrogator is about to rape Sharon/Athena and he gets killed before he can do it! First time I felt some respect for Chief Tyrol. Doesn't matter if she was a Cylon.

You get arrested for rape here where I live, you make sure none discovers it when you'r sent in. Else, you will lose your head, literally! Honor among thieves!

Modifié par RageGT, 28 mai 2011 - 10:30 .

[DragonRageGT]

Avalla'ch wrote...

gastovski wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

RageGT wrote...

And some people are just too biased. If TW2 had a Bioware logo on the box it would be GOD. But it would also have EA logo so it would be EVIL!  Gladly, CDPR are neither!

Give me a ****ing break.  Like the game- fine.  But it's pretty ironic that you accuse people of fanboyism when you're one of the most obnoxious cheerleaders on BSN for why it's impossible to criticize TW2.  I've defended TW1 here, and criticize DA2 heavily.  Can you just accept some people don't like the game?  I know it blows your circuits, but just try.  It could be a fun mental experiment.

Spoken like a true Biodrone

Truth to be told, I don't see any Biodronism/BDFism in her post. Can't we all just get along and you know... agree to disagree?

Yeah, but really, why keep coming here to say the game is a piece of ****? At least I like DA2 and the few posts I have complaining it I say it. I just don't like it nearly as much as Origins. And honestly, the combat in TW2 is ****ing great! If someone tells me it is ****, I say Learn to Play!

[slimgrin]

YohkoOhno wrote...


It's not "completely false". Maybe calling it an illusion is too strong a word. 

Then keep looking for a different word. Since you're not prepared to replay the game, you aren't qualified to judge.

In my humble opinion, C&C is where The Witcher franchise trumps Bioware, and in a big way. I say that playing and replaying DA, ME1 and ME2. 

[YohkoOhno]

They work out differently, but in the end, a lot of them are window dressing, IMO. I'm just saying there's a lot of hype about 16 different endings, but they more or less end the same with maybe about 4 critical choices--Did you Kill the Kingslayer, Did Saskia get freed from the curse, Did you go with Ivoreth or Roche, Which Sovereign did you choose, and perhaps a few others. Other choices more or less only affect their acts.

And since I won't replay, I did read the Game Guide PDF that they released with the game, so I know all the permutations and possibilities.

Put it this way. I give Dragon Age 2 a B-. I give The Witcher 2 a B+, but I give Dragon Age: Origins an A. I think the adventure I had with the Warden had more choice than Geralt's latest adventure. Your mileage may vary.

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 28 mai 2011 - 10:38 .