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[Bryy_Miller]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

If by saying the argument is **** you refer to him bashing PC exclusives time and again, then ye sure.

He bashes games he doesn't like.

It has nothing to do with fanboyism.

[Maverick827]

slimgrin wrote...

I've just never thought Yahtzee offers thoughtful criticism.

If these forums had a better search feature, I'm sure I could go back in time and find a post of yours drooling all over his DA2 review when that was the popular way to hate.

[fightright2]

erynnar wrote...

Romantiq wrote...

sexay

He is still sexy to me (voice helps a lot), it just makes me feel sorrier for him. Ouchies, I wonder what did that, and who?  And can I kill them?

Yup. I agree. Still hot. And count me in the kill club.

[Bryy_Miller]

Maverick827 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I've just never thought Yahtzee offers thoughtful criticism.

If these forums had a better search feature, I'm sure I could go back in time and find a post of yours drooling all over his DA2 review when that was the popular way to hate.

The search feature is actually very good, just horrible with words.

[erynnar]

shantisands wrote...

erynnar wrote...

He is still sexy to me (voice helps a lot), it just makes me feel sorrier for him. Ouchies, I wonder what did that, and who?  And can I kill them?

You said it.  As a raging Iorveth fangirl I am careful to keep quiet most of the time =)   Still, you want a slaughter partner, I am game.    

In seriousness:  you know, I was impressed HOW they showed it. It wasn't part of some big dramatic reveal made to gross you out or alternately pity him, he was just hanging out against a wall and bam, I noticed he had the patch lifted.  Somehow that made it *more* of a surprise because it didn't seem formulated for effect. 

Yeah, I will do a Iorveth play through next time. This game has so much re-play value.

[slimgrin]

Maverick827 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I've just never thought Yahtzee offers thoughtful criticism.

If these forums had a better search feature, I'm sure I could go back in time and find a post of yours drooling all over his DA2 review when that was the popular way to hate.

I've never liked Yahztee, no matter the game he's discussing. Go and search; maybe you can burn me.

For the record, I was always excited for DA2 until I played the demo and realized it wasn't for me. I'll be posting my own impressions of TW2 in a week or so. The good, the bad, the ugly.

Right now I will say I think many reviewers have focused on the wrong things when it comes to the game's drawbacks. I also think it may well be a game that ranks among RPG classics. I need another run or two to really decide.

[TheMufflon]

Maverick827 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I've just never thought Yahtzee offers thoughtful criticism.

If these forums had a better search feature, I'm sure I could go back in time and find a post of yours drooling all over his DA2 review when that was the popular way to hate.

Why would you need a forum search function when you have Google? See, that wasn't so hard, was it?

Modifié par TheMufflon, 09 juin 2011 - 01:37 .

[dewayne31]

i was under the impression that rtriss only had one sex scene sides the prologue. but the way wikiu worded it she might have more...is the wikik wrong?

[neppakyo]

erynnar wrote...
Yeah, I will do a Iorveth play through next time. This game has so much re-play value.

Im doing a slow third playthrough, going for Iorveth this time. I just love that crazy elf.

[erynnar]

Maverick827 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I've just never thought Yahtzee offers thoughtful criticism.

If these forums had a better search feature, I'm sure I could go back in time and find a post of yours drooling all over his DA2 review when that was the popular way to hate.

Oh Maverick, you never cease to amuse. Google is your friend, or not.

[Anathemic]

dewayne31 wrote...

i was under the impression that rtriss only had one sex scene sides the prologue. but the way wikiu worded it she might have more...is the wikik wrong?

the prologue isn't really a sex scene, more like a nude scene. There's a full sex scene in Act 1 if that's what you're referring to.

[slimgrin]

TheMufflon wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I've just never thought Yahtzee offers thoughtful criticism.

If these forums had a better search feature, I'm sure I could go back in time and find a post of yours drooling all over his DA2 review when that was the popular way to hate.

Why would you need a forum search function when you have Google? See, that wasn't so hard, was it?

Mufflon, you're a curious fellow. Maverick827, good luck. I'm a bastion of forum consistency. A f*cking rock. 

[erynnar]

dewayne31 wrote...

i was under the impression that rtriss only had one sex scene sides the prologue. but the way wikiu worded it she might have more...is the wikik wrong?

I think someone is referring to the interrupted sex about to happen in the prologue. The only full on sex scene for Triss that I know of is Act 1.

[ScepticMatt]

Escapist has gone ways to show me that I'm either not their target audience or they cannot be trusted.

There is only one nude scene with triss in the prologue IIRC.

[jesuno]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

If by saying the argument is **** you refer to him bashing PC exclusives time and again, then ye sure.

He bashes games he doesn't like.

It has nothing to do with fanboyism.

I think when he is not interested in a game or really has no strong opinion, he just goes after the ultra fans.

His criticisms of Final Fantasy 13, Dragon Age 2, Bioshock 2, and many others were very sound. SSBB (my favorite, and the retort) are mostly to bait the ultra fans because he has to put out a video weekly.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Vernon. Smoking pipes and staring at your very soul.

Dammit, I'll hate siding with Iorveth I am sure. He better be worth it (which I doubt)!

[YohkoOhno]

Yahtzee might seem a little antagonistic, but at his core he judges games with humor and sarcasm and thus brings to attention their flaws, despite how good they are. He likes Assassin's Creed, for instance, but really reams it on their flaws.

Basically, the Escapist in my opinion--at least their columnists--tend to have some good insight. Extra Credits says similar things to Yahtzee here (not about the Witcher in general, but applies to it).

http://www.escapistm...2454-Easy-Games

Basically, those fans saying everybody who criticizes the Witcher 2 as "lazy" and "dumb" are not doing this industry any favors.

No matter how "cool" TW2 is, I think they really failed to introduce the game in a meaningful way to fans, thus limiting its potential audience.  If they ever want to make TW3, they need to do a better job in this regard, especially for the XBOX.

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 09 juin 2011 - 02:57 .

[slimgrin]

YohkoOhno wrote...

No matter how "cool" TW2 is, I think they really failed to introduce the game in a meaningful way to fans, thus limiting its potential audience. 

Please elaborate, because this is a point worth discussing.

[Dragoonlordz]

YohkoOhno wrote...

Yahtzee might seem a little antagonistic, but at his core he judges games with humor and sarcasm and thus brings to attention their flaws, despite how good they are. He likes Assassin's Creed, for instance, but really reams it on their flaws.

Basically, the Escapist in my opinion--at least their columnists--tend to have some good insight. Extra Credits says similar things to Yahtzee here (not about the Witcher in general, but applies to it).

http://www.escapistm...2454-Easy-Games

Basically, those fans saying everybody who criticizes the Witcher 2 as "lazy" and "dumb" are not doing this industry any favors.

No matter how "cool" TW2 is, I think they really failed to introduce the game in a meaningful way to fans, thus limiting its potential audience.  If they ever want to make TW3, they need to do a better job in this regard, especially for the XBOX.

TW2 was always supposed to be a tough game one that challenges, they did it right as far as I'm concerned. While tutorials are fine every game has a learning curve and the more challenging the better imho. I like the challenge of learning and getting better by pushing myself via practice. I replayed parts, hard parts just to improve my own ability in the game and I like it that way. The autosave feature worked well and tbh the game is just about the right difficulty to me.

If people are critical of it's difficulty then maybe they would be better off playing something else also avoid demon souls which is just as hard. I don't critisize hello kitty or farmville for being too hard or too easy, I don't pick on whether has good tutorials or not and it's because if a game is not something I like whether not hard enough or difficult enough I just don't buy it or don't play it as there are other games can play if your not willing to try harder or find something too easy. In other words as far as I'm concerned TW2 is perfect level of difficulty for a modern game.

P.s. They did a great job of introducing the game, the story is captivating especially if played the first but even without that it is still a truly epic game in almost every regard to some extent and I wouldn't change it to make it easier or into a child like title trying to please those who don't like to try hard at games and put in the effort, instead just want a pick up and play 5 minute title once in while for giggles. There are other titles that do that I prefer this one stays deep and challenging. In fact the prologue was extremely well done but not made too easy which I prefer as I do not want someone to hold my hand when I play.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 09 juin 2011 - 03:24 .

[YohkoOhno]

The best games that introduce both the character (including the background and the mechanics) in a seemless way and inside the game. If you watch the video, as well as the one on tutorials, you see that you can have challenging games that can also be introduced well. (Demon Souls apparently has a good tutorial). Portal 2 is a good example of a game that is a tutorial and keeps everything in game without it feeling like a tutorial. Saying "this game is for the hardcore" ignores the relative flaw of it being flawed in introducing its mechanics to the player. It shows a lack of patience and hearing people dismiss this smacks as a negative form of eltism that both James (in that Extra Credits video) and Yahtzee's sacrasm points out.

All games should be self-contained and treat the user as it is potentially his or her first game. Companies that ignore that will end up suffering. Even sequels do this.

There are two basic flaws with TW2 that I think will hurt it in the long run. The first is this tutorial problem, as well as a lack of getting a good background on the character--who Geralt is, for instance. (TW1 did a better job introducing the character to people who don't get it).

That's not to say I didn't enjoy the game, but I also recognize its flaws.  Don't think for one second CDPJ is looking just at the PC gamers.  They're actually going to need that XBOX money to turn a profit on this.  If the XBOX port tanks, I have a feeling you may not see a TW3.

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 09 juin 2011 - 03:39 .

[Maverick827]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

P.s. They did a great job of introducing the game, the story is captivating especially if played the first but even without that it is still a truly epic game in almost every regard to some extent and I wouldn't change it to make it easier or into a child like title trying to please those who don't like to try hard at games and put in the effort, instead just want a pick up and play 5 minute title once in while for giggles. There are other titles that do that I prefer this one stays deep and challenging. In fact the prologue was extremely well done but not made too easy which I prefer as I do not want someone to hold my hand when I play.

The story is actually poorly presented to the new player and is barely followable if you haven't played the first.

[YohkoOhno]

Yes, people shouldn't blind themselves to TW2's flaws just because they like it. Dragon Age Origins shows how to do a tutorial well.

Yahtzee brought up a good point about the signs. The arcane names are less friendly than more known names like "blast" or "fireball". A good tutorial would have given Geralt a situation to use all of them. There was I believe an tutorial note for Aard, but instead of the others the tutorial only showed them when you actually switched signs. There were other confusing elements like the QTEs. And I think Yahtzee had a good point about skipping--the mouse symbols are really small on the Widescreens--they should probably be as big as the symbols in other games.

Good tutorials introduce themselves--while also not making you feel stupid for doing them (God of War gets mentioned in that Extra Credits video).  I think instead of showing off their "big engine", the game could have done a little more at the beginning like introduce a fighting ring, or having somebody help Geralt practice their spells.  

This is why I can't give TW2 anything more than a B+.  I enjoyed the game, but I feel they need to accept this level of criticism.  I think the potential audience might be turned off by both the narritive flaws (not assuming people never played the original, and dealing with elements of a character unknown to anybody unless they read the novels), and the tutorial flaws.  

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 09 juin 2011 - 03:47 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Maverick827 wrote...
The story is actually poorly presented to the new player and is barely followable if you haven't played the first.

I agree with this actually, at least when it comes to the introduction. Things like Foltest's assassination, the Scoia'tael, what Witchers are...etc. That said, I believe new players can follow the story with little problem as most of what happened in TW1 has no direct bearing on TW2. And Act 1 is there to familiarize people with the nonhuman question.

And there are books. Which act like codices. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 09 juin 2011 - 03:52 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

YohkoOhno wrote...
dealing with elements of a character unknown to anybody unless they read the novels

The novels are irrelevent to the games themselves seeing how Geralt lost his memory (so we get to shape the new Geralt). And they are revealing bits of his past. I believe that once Geralt's past truly becomes relevent to the plot, that they will explain it.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 09 juin 2011 - 03:54 .

[DragonRageGT]

Maverick827 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I've just never thought Yahtzee offers thoughtful criticism.

If these forums had a better search feature, I'm sure I could go back in time and find a post of yours drooling all over his DA2 review when that was the popular way to hate.

Warning: Level 5 Bio-signature creature converging on the Command Center! (and this time it is no joke!)

I drolled about his review of DA2 because that was the very first review of his that he's got it soooo right!  He got Origins wrong and he definitely got Witcher 2 so wrong. He didn't even ****ing played the game. He didn't know how. No ****ing quest mark over the heads of NPC's, no button=awesome, no drinking pots during fights... I bet he could never even reach Old Camp in Gothic 1.