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[slimgrin]

YohkoOhno wrote...

The key thing about TW1 is that--I assume Geralt is given amnesia to make him a blank slate for people who are unfamiliar with the character. I think that is one of the design goals.

If that is true, then we should see his memory come back in TW2 in a more dramatic method--don't just show us the Wild Hunt, show maybe one of those animated scenes telling us why Yennifer was so important to Geralt.

Okay, this I agree with. The connection to Yennefer was tenuous and not fully resolved. Most plot points were wrapped up, but not his memory, which I'm sure they have delayed for an expansion or TW3.

[YohkoOhno]

Anyway ... for those of you who felt that Act 3 was too short: What would you like to see added in DLC?

I think they might want to do a short mini-campaign.

One idea I have, since we were talking about Yen, is perhaps do an adventure that recreates a short story for the audience. I'd love to see "The Last Wish" adapted as an adventure--you wouldn't have any branching, for instance, but you'd get to know some of the background of the character--plus it would be a kick-ass story to adapt. This would be a way to introduce the character for the sequel and would be perfect for the fans who don't have access to the stories.

The only thing I hated about the DLC for TW2 is that Troll Trouble seemed to be what people accused Bioware of--removing content for DLC. This seemed more blatant--at least the 2 day one DLCs were separate areas, while Troll Trouble the wrecked bridge is there and the troll is mentioned, as well as the house you need to enter to resolve the problem is there as well. Since DLC critics like to jump up and down on that stuff, I think they should be more careful with any sequel, and at least make it look like it could be seperated easilly. Because of the patch problems, I actually missed out on that quest.

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 11 juin 2011 - 06:42 .

[erynnar]

slimgrin wrote...

Bejos_ wrote...

I'm "coming in cold" and what Yohko says is right. I haven't played TW1, and couldn't bother with the books, so TW2 really should make more effort to familiarise people with its world.

I just can't agree with this. It's almost like asking a foreign filmmaker to make his movie more 'American'.

Ugh and that is usually a dumbed down version of flim with cookie cutter feel. Thanks but no thanks. I too am coming into Witcher 2 "cold." I have no trouble following along, figuring things out, and quite frankly they did right by me (and if sales and reviews are any indication, they did right by a whole slew of new to the Witcher world players).

CDPR expected me to have and use my brains. I am so glad they didn't make it " readily accessible" read easy or easily accessible. I am sick to death of having my hand held while I watch a clicky interactive movie.

I may cuss at my screen, but I feel great when I beat a baddie or figure it out for myself. This game is a boost to my ego.

Modifié par erynnar, 11 juin 2011 - 06:51 .

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Bejos_ wrote...

Anyway ... for those of you who felt that Act 3 was too short: What would you like to see added in DLC?

I was hoping for a few more political side quests. Also one or two (new) monster hunts. I'm sure they could do a really great DLC with the snowscape that you walk through to reach Loc Muinne.

I think the area itself outside could be bigger, such a waste of beautiful snow

Another monster quest for sure and one or two quests related to the people around. One that would envolve conflicts with the factions, maybe doing a (another) work for Radovid, the Order, or the Temerian faction (this could be good so we could understand better what's going on in there). They could also make one that would clear Geralt's name once and for all before the conclusion. I'm sure the writers found some difficulty because of the multiple paths but I think they could avoid the plot with more side characters.

[Anathemic]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
As for being persuaded to join the fight for the North from the rest of the Northern Kingdoms, it might work, I'm not sure. The Scoia'tael don't trust humans, and I doubt the monarchs themselves would keep their word if they made a promise/deal with the Scoia'tael to deal with the Nilfgaardians.

They don't have to keep their promises once the empire is defeated. I know I wouldn't.
I'd think the Scoia'tael would be more inclined to side with the North, than Nilfgaard that backstabbed them.

I mean if I was the Nilfgaardian Emperor and I wanted to raise my reputation amongst the conquered Nordlings, I'd wipe out the Scoia'tael.

And I am still not convinced that the Scoia'tael are that much of a threat, at least on their own. Wiping out a few settlements is not what I'd call a major threat and Yaevinn's uprising seemed like a one of a kind thing.

Or the Scoia'tael are unpersuadable to both sides, thus the possibility of harassing both Nilfgaard and the North in the upcoming conflict, this hurting the North more as they are possibly the weaker force to start with.

If this is true, I'd rather have total Scoia'tael loyalty with Saskia then take the chance of the outcome depicted above.

I don't really see the Scoia'tael willingly choose either Nilfgaard (for backstabbing) or the North (for their zealous mistrust) without a main leader. Iorveth doesn't control the bulk of the Scoia'tael, but I do suspect he is very influencial.

[Dragoonlordz]

YohkoOhno wrote...

Anyway ... for those of you who felt that Act 3 was too short: What would you like to see added in DLC?

I think they might want to do a short mini-campaign.

One idea I have, since we were talking about Yen, is perhaps do an adventure that recreates a short story for the audience. I'd love to see "The Last Wish" adapted as an adventure--you wouldn't have any branching, for instance, but you'd get to know some of the background of the character--plus it would be a kick-ass story to adapt. This would be a way to introduce the character for the sequel and would be perfect for the fans who don't have access to the stories.

The only thing I hated about the DLC for TW2 is that Troll Trouble seemed to be what people accused Bioware of--removing content for DLC. This seemed more blatant--at least the 2 day one DLCs were separate areas, while Troll Trouble the wrecked bridge is there and the troll is mentioned, as well as the house you need to enter to resolve the problem is there as well. Since DLC critics like to jump up and down on that stuff, I think they should be more careful with any sequel, and at least make it look like it could be seperated easilly. Because of the patch problems, I actually missed out on that quest.

What people mostly objected too with Bioware was that they had to pay for that missing DLC unlike TW2 which was free.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Anathemic wrote...
Or the Scoia'tael are unpersuadable to both sides, thus the possibility of harassing both Nilfgaard and the North in the upcoming conflict, this hurting the North more as they are possibly the weaker force to start with.

And they would be incredibly stupid if they did that. And I question how efficient they would be at harassing several factiosn at the same time.

It is true that Iorveth stands a better chance at uniting them.
But I still see a stronger Kaedwen, Redenia and Temeria as much more valuable.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 11 juin 2011 - 06:56 .

[YohkoOhno]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
What people mostly objected too with Bioware was that they had to pay for that missing DLC unlike TW2 which was free.

From what I saw, some people criticize the concept.  Even if it was free, why even make it DLC if you already have the broken bridge, the troll models (used in Act 2), and the quest settings.  It felt like somebody removed the quest at the last minute.  Perception is key.

I think the only reason CDPJ got away with little criticism was because they have so-called "indie cred" (we're not the big bad mega-corp), and because people liked the other elements of the game.  Rest assured, if Bioware or another major company did it, I'll bet there'd have been more criticism of it.

[Dragoonlordz]

erynnar wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Bejos_ wrote...

I'm "coming in cold" and what Yohko says is right. I haven't played TW1, and couldn't bother with the books, so TW2 really should make more effort to familiarise people with its world.

I just can't agree with this. It's almost like asking a foreign filmmaker to make his movie more 'American'.

Ugh and that is usually a dumbed down version of flim with cookie cutter feel. Thanks but no thanks. I too am coming into Witcher 2 "cold." I have no trouble following along, figuring things out, and quite frankly they did right by me (and if sales and reviews are any indication, they did right by a whole slew of new to the Witcher world players).

CDPR expected me to have and use my brains. I am so glad they didn't make it " readily accessible" read easy or easily accessible. I am sick to death of having my hand held while I watch a clicky interactive movie.

I may cuss at my screen, but I feel great when I beat a baddie or figure it out for myself. This game is a boost to my ego.

Same here, I picked up TW1 due to TW2. They did it spot on with getting people hooked with enough information but not overloading it. Peaked my curiosity and made me want to buy more products from them which is exactly what has happened. I truly love how hard the game is and how doesn't hold my hand like a child. They should do exactly the same approach for TW3. Only major things is longer final act which will be resolved through free DLC and (at cost) expansions, and less buggy release too is ideal but apart from that they did a truly amazing job and sales are showing that.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 juin 2011 - 07:14 .

[slimgrin]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Bejos_ wrote...

Anyway ... for those of you who felt that Act 3 was too short: What would you like to see added in DLC?

I was hoping for a few more political side quests. Also one or two (new) monster hunts. I'm sure they could do a really great DLC with the snowscape that you walk through to reach Loc Muinne.

I think the area itself outside could be bigger, such a waste of beautiful snow

Another monster quest for sure and one or two quests related to the people around. One that would envolve conflicts with the factions, maybe doing a (another) work for Radovid, the Order, or the Temerian faction (this could be good so we could understand better what's going on in there). They could also make one that would clear Geralt's name once and for all before the conclusion. I'm sure the writers found some difficulty because of the multiple paths but I think they could avoid the plot with more side characters.

Flesh out the areas a bit more. I wanted Flotsam and the surrounding forest to go on forever it was so cool. And more sidequests. There weren't enough sidequests.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

slimgrin wrote...

YohkoOhno wrote...

The key thing about TW1 is that--I assume Geralt is given amnesia to make him a blank slate for people who are unfamiliar with the character. I think that is one of the design goals.

If that is true, then we should see his memory come back in TW2 in a more dramatic method--don't just show us the Wild Hunt, show maybe one of those animated scenes telling us why Yennifer was so important to Geralt.

Okay, this I agree with. The connection to Yennefer was tenuous and not fully resolved. Most plot points were wrapped up, but not his memory, which I'm sure they have delayed for an expansion or TW3.

They're keeping Yennefer and their relationship/past to TW3, I'm sure of that. These guys know their narrative. They wouldn't just throw their bond and relationship around since she's not there and it wasn't really important to the plot. The point was getting his memory itself back, not only because of Yennerfer and to let the player know what and why it happened but because Letho and the Witchers of the Viper knew about it. His relationship to Yennefer wasn't important in Assassin's of Kings since he didn't even know what happened to her, but will be in TW3, that's one of the things I'm sure for the sequel.

[Dragoonlordz]

YohkoOhno wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
What people mostly objected too with Bioware was that they had to pay for that missing DLC unlike TW2 which was free.

From what I saw, some people criticize the concept.  Even if it was free, why even make it DLC if you already have the broken bridge, the troll models (used in Act 2), and the quest settings.  It felt like somebody removed the quest at the last minute.  Perception is key.

I think the only reason CDPJ got away with little criticism was because they have so-called "indie cred" (we're not the big bad mega-corp), and because people liked the other elements of the game.  Rest assured, if Bioware or another major company did it, I'll bet there'd have been more criticism of it.

Like I said I have been here long enough to see why people were upset about Sebastion DLC and how it felt as though Bioware was stabbing them in the back taking out something or not including it (as day one DLC) and forcing them to buy it to get included in it. What CDPR has done right and why so little criticism of their DLC is because all their non large expansion DLC is free unlike Bioware where even mere items cost you RL money. It has nothing to do with 'indie cred' and a massive assumption. They are a smaller developer and yet giving all non expansion DLC for free that is why they are given cred for. If it was Bioware you would be having to buy that troll DLC, if that floats your boat so be it.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 juin 2011 - 07:07 .

[slimgrin]

@RyuGuitarFreak

Yeah, and despite using the cliche amnesia device, their explanation of it so far is very convincing.

[blothulfur]

You know if cdpr chose to kill off or retire Geralt to avalon in the third game i'd happily take up as Vernon Roche, Iorveth, Letho or any of a dozen other characters we encounter (hell even that dude with the messed up face who Foltest talks with in the first prologue bit).

Then again with the wild hunt, the nilfgaard invasion, the quelling of the sorcerer's at loc muinne and the fate of the pontar valley all up in the air old gerry is probably going to be busy for at least another game and a few expansions.

[Dragoonlordz]

blothulfur wrote...

You know if cdpr chose to kill off or retire Geralt to avalon in the third game i'd happily take up as Vernon Roche, Iorveth, Letho or any of a dozen other characters we encounter (hell even that dude with the messed up face who Foltest talks with in the first prologue bit).

Then again with the wild hunt, the nilfgaard invasion, the quelling of the sorcerer's at loc muinne and the fate of the pontar valley all up in the air old gerry is probably going to be busy for at least another game and a few expansions.

Blasphemy!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Yea I wouldn't mind having a Witcher based game with another character. But I don't think that's coming any time soon.

[Anathemic]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
Or the Scoia'tael are unpersuadable to both sides, thus the possibility of harassing both Nilfgaard and the North in the upcoming conflict, this hurting the North more as they are possibly the weaker force to start with.

And they would be incredibly stupid if they did that. And I question how efficient they would be at harassing several factiosn at the same time.

It is true that Iorveth stands a better chance at uniting them.
But I still see a stronger Kaedwen, Redenia and Temeria as much more valuable.

But you still can have those even with Saskia's new kingdom (not to mention Aedirn considering your choice with Stennis).

[Anathemic]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Yea I wouldn't mind having a Witcher based game with another character. But I don't think that's coming any time soon.

It might happen once CDPR finishes up the Witcher saga they are working on.

But since this is speculation. I would ****in' kill for a Witcher game based on a female character, that would be badass.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Anathemic wrote...
But you still can have those even with Saskia's new kingdom (not to mention Aedirn considering your choice with Stennis).

Kaedwen loses, you can't help Radovid control Temeria as much and Aedirn is already greatly weakened by civil war (and will be more so if they lose their richest province).

Not saying thsoe who went with Iorveth ****ed up though. Just saying what I'd prefer.

[Reod]

Anathemic wrote...

I would ****in' kill for a Witcher game based on a female character, that would be badass.

Hmm Ciri ?:wub:
Shes born like 1252 or so ,  Witcher 2 starts at 1271 so shes young , she cant  be witcher(obvious ) but she can use magic.I would love to see her ingame :wub:

Modifié par Reod, 11 juin 2011 - 07:31 .

[RyuGuitarFreak]

slimgrin wrote...

@RyuGuitarFreak

Yeah, and despite using the cliche amnesia device, their explanation of it so far is very convincing.

Agreed.

[Bejos_]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

erynnar wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Bejos_ wrote...

I'm "coming in cold" and what Yohko says is right. I haven't played TW1, and couldn't bother with the books, so TW2 really should make more effort to familiarise people with its world.

I just can't agree with this. It's almost like asking a foreign filmmaker to make his movie more 'American'.

Ugh and that is usually a dumbed down version of flim with cookie cutter feel. Thanks but no thanks. I too am coming into Witcher 2 "cold." I have no trouble following along, figuring things out, and quite frankly they did right by me (and if sales and reviews are any indication, they did right by a whole slew of new to the Witcher world players).

CDPR expected me to have and use my brains. I am so glad they didn't make it " readily accessible" read easy or easily accessible. I am sick to death of having my hand held while I watch a clicky interactive movie.

I may cuss at my screen, but I feel great when I beat a baddie or figure it out for myself. This game is a boost to my ego.

Same here, I picked up TW1 due to TW2. They did it spot on with getting people hooked with enough information but not overloading it. Peaked my curiosity and made me want to buy more products from them which is exactly what has happened. I truly love how hard the game is and how doesn't hold my hand like a child. They should do exactly the same approach for TW3. Only major things is longer final act which will be resolved through free DLC and (at cost) expansions, and less buggy release too is ideal but apart from that they did a truly amazing job and sales are showing that.

It's interesting that people decided to reply to the post that doesn't contain my reply to slimgrin. Just saying

[Anakin1000]

Reod wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

I would ****in' kill for a Witcher game based on a female character, that would be badass.

Hmm Ciri ?:wub:
Shes born like 1252 or so ,  Witcher 2 starts at 1271 so shes young , she cant  be witcher(obvious ) but she can use magic.I would love to see her ingame :wub:

No she can't use magic.
Spoiler! 3rd Witcher book:


She renounce witchcraft at desert and loose all magic abilities except higher blood talents to teleport and travel time and realms.



But Ciri (Yennefer not necessarily) must return in Witcher3 or i'll rage CDP forum. xD

Modifié par Anakin1000, 11 juin 2011 - 07:53 .

[Anakin1000]

double post ><

Modifié par Anakin1000, 11 juin 2011 - 07:53 .

[Bejos_]

Reod wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

I would ****in' kill for a Witcher game based on a female character, that would be badass.

Hmm Ciri ?
Shes
born like 1252 or so ,  Witcher 2 starts at 1271 so shes young , she
cant  be witcher(obvious ) but she can use magic.I would love to see her
ingame

I would pay $100 for a (properly executed) game where I could play a grown-up Anais, politicking and having to deal with assassins and wars and such. Yes please.