13812 réponses à ce sujet

[jabba3004]

SPOILERS
Although, it's too bad you can't help Anais at all if you go with Iorveth.

[Costin_Razvan]

RageGT wrote...

Regarding Roche/Iorveth paths... both are very cool to play and they complement each other, with different info on the plot, imho. But as mentioned, Roche's is more about Witcher's neutrality or Neutral/Lawful alignment while Iorveth's has Geralt siding with his long time friends, even if he doesn't remember them, being more Chaotic/Good.

That's how I see them anyway.

I definetly wouldn't call helping Iorveth ( which the path is about anyway, no matter how awesomne the Dwarves are ) as being good. I think I said enough as to why he is a murderer along with all the Scoia'Tel, even if he does change his way. 

What I would call Iorveth's path is Chaotic/Neutral, since Geralt can see what Iorveth and Saskia is doing as good but he doesn't forget what both of them did to get there ( which is what neutral is ).

Let me say just this about saving the elves at the end of Ch1: Lordero survives and sells Flotsman to Kaedwen thus allowing Henselt to block all trade through the Pontar if he wants to.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 14 juin 2011 - 03:20 .

[jabba3004]

@lyleoffmyspace
There are some traces left in item properties code suggesting you could use junk/quest items to make materials (example: to melt metal objects into let's say iron/silver ore) but it didn't make it to final version. I have no idea why.

[DragonRageGT]

lyleoffmyspace wrote...

Yeah, the mouse is much smoother now on the menus but it's still weird as hell on the meditation screen and when I'm selling to a Merchant. The lack of a junk tag also bothers me. I don't see the point in junk anyway, it seems completely pointless and I don't see why companys put it in the game. Even in BG2, a game with LOADS of items, there was very little junk.

I would like to bring back the inventory, merchant, and the alchemy screens from the original Witcher because they worked perfectly, and I really loved alchemy in that game. Not enjoying it as much in TW2.

Get this mod. Must have. Adds Junk and let us sort by newest/oldest, alphabetical and weight... =)

http://witchernexus..../file.php?id=87

[DragonRageGT]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Let me say just this about saving the elves at the end of Ch1: Lordero survives and sells Flotsman to Kaedwen thus allowing Henselt to block all trade through the Pontar if he wants to.

Huh.. unless I'm very mistaken, Roche says Loredo has been killed when he saves Geralt, again,  later on Act 2 Yorveth's path.

[DragonRageGT]

Even the bugs in this game are awesome!!! And this proves Roche is a real badazz!!!

Modifié par RageGT, 14 juin 2011 - 04:38 .

[lyleoffmyspace]

Another thing that bugs me about the game is potions.

1. The potions duration is not long enough, I feel Swallow should last longer like it did in TW1, and the duration should be Frozen in cut scenes. For example I prepare for a major battle and then by the end of the cutscenes I have about 40 seconds of the potion's duration left.
2. The fact that one of a Witcher's main abilities is his potions, I don't get the chance to use them enough. For example in the Battles at the start of Chapter 2 (Roche's path), I really could've used a Swallow there, but the game doesn't let me meditate, and the enemies just wear away at my health so I'm just running around madly avoiding attacks, letting Roche and my allies do the fighting whilst I desperately try to stay alive. It's not good game making and has really upset my enjoyment of the game, which is why I prefer TW1's potion system, which I thought was pretty balanced.

[zeypher]

you folks seem to forget that if you donot save triss, the mages in the north are pretty much doomed. but by saving triss and accusing sile u save the mages, the conclave gets established and there is a better chance for diplomacy considering that the emperor is invading.
Without the conclave, chance for united diplomatic relations goes pretty much out of the window

[jabba3004]

I've used the mod which sets potion durations to 20 minutes each (only Cat potion stayed default).

[DragonRageGT]

lyleoffmyspace wrote...

Another thing that bugs me about the game is potions.

1. The potions duration is not long enough, I feel Swallow should last longer like it did in TW1, and the duration should be Frozen in cut scenes. For example I prepare for a major battle and then by the end of the cutscenes I have about 40 seconds of the potion's duration left.
2. The fact that one of a Witcher's main abilities is his potions, I don't get the chance to use them enough. For example in the Battles at the start of Chapter 2 (Roche's path), I really could've used a Swallow there, but the game doesn't let me meditate, and the enemies just wear away at my health so I'm just running around madly avoiding attacks, letting Roche and my allies do the fighting whilst I desperately try to stay alive. It's not good game making and has really upset my enjoyment of the game, which is why I prefer TW1's potion system, which I thought was pretty balanced.

Sorry but that fight is too easy and once you get good with the game (play more without so much whining.. you need to learn.. figure out stuff, not expect game to be easy). Also, I used the extra potions/oil durations mod, reduced crafting items weight mod and now that I'm really confortable with the game I much prefer without them.

10 mins is long enough and it's actually a good thing. Instead of hoarding pots, just have a few of the best ones (I only use 4) unless you go alchemist, then duration increases and collaterals are reduced. Even with cutscenes, 10 mins is enough.


The Witcher 2 - SPOILER ALERT - Act 1 Final - Brothers in Arms

At the mines in Vergen, act 2, I used some 4 meditation for pots and it was enough.

Modifié par RageGT, 14 juin 2011 - 06:11 .

[Nigawatts]

One thing I miss about the first game that wasn't present in the second game?

Quests where the main objective was to drink people under the table. In Cervisia Veritas felt like it was suppose to be one of those quests. Just something I found charming about the first game. Although watching a grown man fall the ground screaming BATS! Was worth the price of admission me thinks.

[Anathemic]

zeypher wrote...

you folks seem to forget that if you donot save triss, the mages in the north are pretty much doomed. but by saving triss and accusing sile u save the mages, the conclave gets established and there is a better chance for diplomacy considering that the emperor is invading.
Without the conclave, chance for united diplomatic relations goes pretty much out of the window

Ah really? That's interesting, I never knew that because I never went after Triss. I was always more interested in the political turmoil going around Loc Muinne (and going after Philippa or Dethmold).

[Anathemic]

jabba3004 wrote...

Nigawatts, I agree almost 100%
SPOILERS
And about saving Triss (Iorveth's path) instead of getting the dagger to restore Saskia, you do really get nothing, especially if you go for the dagger, Triss will be free anyway. Also I must say that choosing to kill Letho (done it just once to see how that goes) feels kind of empty, nothing is really gained. By that time relevant people already know that Geralt didn't kill Foltest. So for the cannon, I chose helping Iorveth, restoring Saskia to human form and sparing Letho. Roche has great path too, but this is better for me, after all it's all about personal preference.

So far in both of my current playthroughs I've always killed Letho. No it wasn't due to revenge (though that may have influenced the reason, due to Foltest being a badass) or clearing Geralt's name (and Triss'). So why did I do it?

Simply because of witcher's pride. Witchers are not hired thugs. I killed Letho because essentially he player the role of the hired thug to the emporer of Nilfgaard.

[Costin_Razvan]

I suppose that is a fair point...but well there won't be any Witchers soon if this keeps going.

To me none of that mattered. The fact he protected Yennefer when she was being a complete and utter ****...well there was no way I was going for my sword after hearing that.

BTW If you save Triss on Roche's path she talks about Iorveth and how is the most hunted criminal right now for his involvment with the Kingslayer. On Iorveth path I assume she would be talking of Roche...

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 14 juin 2011 - 07:46 .

[billy the squid]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

BTW If you save Triss on Roche's path she talks about Iorveth and how is the most hunted criminal right now for his involvment with the Kingslayer. On Iorveth path I assume she would be talking of Roche...

See it's dialogue like this that really adds atmosphere and a sense of cause and effect to TW2, even though it is only a tiny part of the game it shows a hell of a lot of care and attention went into even the little things.

[Anathemic]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I suppose that is a fair point...but well there won't be any Witchers soon if this keeps going.

To me none of that mattered. The fact he protected Yennefer when she was being a complete and utter ****...well there was no way I was going for my sword after hearing that.

BTW If you save Triss on Roche's path she talks about Iorveth and how is the most hunted criminal right now for his involvment with the Kingslayer. On Iorveth path I assume she would be talking of Roche...

There's more than 2 witcher schools, there might be 1 or 2 more out there other than Kaer Morhen and the School of the Viper, If I recall from the first game/novels.

[Anakin1000]

Anathemic wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I suppose that is a fair point...but well there won't be any Witchers soon if this keeps going.

To me none of that mattered. The fact he protected Yennefer when she was being a complete and utter ****...well there was no way I was going for my sword after hearing that.

BTW If you save Triss on Roche's path she talks about Iorveth and how is the most hunted criminal right now for his involvment with the Kingslayer. On Iorveth path I assume she would be talking of Roche...

There's more than 2 witcher schools, there might be 1 or 2 more out there other than Kaer Morhen and the School of the Viper, If I recall from the first game/novels.

There are School of Wolf (Kaer Morhen), School of Cat, School of Gryphon from Books
and School of Viper from TW2 game 

[Costin_Razvan]

Letho tells us that the schools in the south have been shut down long ago, that might just be the School of the Viper or it could that school and another one as well.

Also Vesemir in TW1 says he hasn't heard from the other schools in a long time.

[Nigawatts]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I suppose that is a fair point...but well there won't be any Witchers soon if this keeps going.

To me none of that mattered. The fact he protected Yennefer when she was being a complete and utter ****...well there was no way I was going for my sword after hearing that.

BTW If you save Triss on Roche's path she talks about Iorveth and how is the most hunted criminal right now for his involvment with the Kingslayer. On Iorveth path I assume she would be talking of Roche...

A Witcher who is no longer following the path is no longer a Witcher, they are simply mutants, and in Letho's case, Mutant Assassins. Now granted Letho was doing what he was doing, so that he and his brethren could return to the path, but honestly that doesn't excuse the further damage he has caused to Witcher reputation. I mean I can understand why he did it, I'm sure it was either do this or death.

[blothulfur]

I always play a neutral as all hell Geralt who see's Letho as an embodiment of all that can go wrong when a witcher bows to thrones and in all honesty the Kingslayer saying he will go and never return will not be his decision, the emperor of Nilfgaard having recreated an old school of witchers will use them again in the brutally effective manner that Letho demonstrated so well.

In my internal reasoning I see the white wolf staying at Foltest side as a counter balance to the kingslayers who have sprung up and base all my decision on what will aid the restoration of the status qou that Letho has disturbed, this is a totally foolish and vain endeavour but makes sense to how I see the character.

Letho is one hell of a character that I really didn't want to kill though and it's nice to see a smart, ambitious and reasonable villain after so many stupid bad guys. Didn't like his voice though.

[Nigawatts]

blothulfur wrote...

Letho is one hell of a character that I really didn't want to kill though and it's nice to see a smart, ambitious and reasonable villain after so many stupid bad guys. Didn't like his voice though.

I didn't mind his voice during his first apperance in the Solar (sort of like how I didn't mind Iorveth's first apperance in th cutscene in flotsam...which makes me think they had voiced over some scenes earlier in production), BUT after that it sort of has this strange accent that I can't place.

It isn't even an Aedirnian accent either, since he is from Gullet it should be a lot thicker, and more scottish. And it isn't french like the Nilfgaardian's usually are. I can't really place it. The way he says Pontar Valley is weird though.

[Costin_Razvan]

The ends justify the means, no matter how wicked. Saying otherwise is an idealistic belief that will get you nowhere. ( just putting it out there ).

Letho was doing what he did for the Witchers, and I respect that. As for the Witcher reputation...do I need to remind you who asked for 10.000 Orens as payment for killing Jaques in The Witcher 1? "Chuckle" There is no Witcher code or anything, no rule book but each Witcher is free to choose his or her own path and Letho choose to kill a few kings to benefit the order.

Besides most nobles/monarchs look at Witchers as hired thugs, expensive ones but damned effective. This is in the novels.

In the North Letho may be remembered as a Kingslayer for good while the in Empire ( if it wins ) he would be remembered as a hero who delivered the a few strong provinces to the Empire.

Killing him however is a reasonable outcome. I personally did not care to for various reasons but I can't disagree with someone who did ( well unless that person's reason is that Letho is evil BS ).

 Letho is one hell of a character that I really didn't want to kill though and it's nice to see a smart, ambitious and reasonable villain after so many stupid bad guys.

Oh God, yes this!

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 14 juin 2011 - 09:26 .

[Bejos_]

I had a bit of time in between study stretches today, so I visited NeoGaf. Found this quote, which must be the most succinct description of TW2 I've come across yet:
"The strength of TW2 doesn't really lie in the mechanics [...] TW2 however takes WRPGs on a whole new level in terms of presentation and self-awareness. It's the FFVI of WRPGs. There's no going back from that."
Yes.
Yes!

[blothulfur]

I assume Lethos title "of Gullet" is a name taken up like Geralts "of Rivia" and that he's actually from some province of Nilfgaard, I just look at him and hear one of the space marine voices from dawn of war such as Gabriel Angelos suiting him much more than the voice he uses though.

Thinking about accents Redania now seems to be northern england, going through Radovids camp I heard quite a few accents from scouse to my own yorkshire which was somewhat amusing. Temerians all seem a bit southern english, from west country to cockney and beyond. Amongst the Aedirnians I heard both welsh and irish (not done Iorveth playthrough yet though) and amongst the Kaedweni it was mainly irish though strangely Henselt himself sounded scottish in fact a lot like Zoltan.

I thought Geralt was always going to kill Jacques just because the grand master was holding too many witcher secrets and had proved himself a danger to my witcher neutrality and that Geralt was just holding out with Foltest for a good price, but i've got to admit I like saddling the characters i play with codes of conduct and character traits that they must break and therefore adapt to failure.

Got to agree that the end justifies the means usually though, as all great bastards who have shaped the world know you can't make an omelette without breaking some legs. Nice that the witcher world seems to acknowledge this.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Anathemic wrote...
Simply because of witcher's pride. Witchers are not hired thugs. I killed Letho because essentially he player the role of the hired thug to the emporer of Nilfgaard.

While it is a valid reasn, I also feel it's hypocritical. Geralt essentially started off in TW2 as an overglorified bodyguard to a king who is known to be ruthless and pitiless. And participated in a war that is useless to him (othe than money), while Letho is doing all this for the Witchers.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 juin 2011 - 11:36 .