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[Luxorek]

Bejos_ wrote...
Everything is cheaper in Eastern Europe. The game's budget is actually around the $8 million mark, IIRC, but that amounts to about $40 million.

You're hurting my sensitive Polish Australian ears ; ] Poles generally hate being called Eastern Europeans, hence the whole Central European thing. But nevermind that, geopoltics just... no... I must stop.

Again budget, www.rp.pl/artykul/522367.html - data provided by rp.pl, official website of Rzeczpospolita, one of the biggest newspapers in Poland. If you understand Polish you are in for some info about Optimus, the Witcher II budget and so on. It says that the game went over the planned 27 million złotys and crossed the 30 million line. Then you have the info about the first game, apparently it found its way to 1,5 mil. buyers and provided revenue of 36 mil. złotys, that is adjusted for inflation around 15 mil. dollars - and that's just one game, when CD Projekt sits mainly in the distributing bussiness. Then you have Michał Kiciński, co-founder of CDP saying thay they expect the revenue from the Witcher II to surpass the first game at least few times.

slimgrin wrote...

Luxorek wrote...

 And Poles, by no means, suffer from the lack of talented chaps working in the gaming industry.

I wonder why this is. A Polish rennaissance of sorts?

Take
the level of writing for instance; it's not just better than most other
RPG's, there's a degree of sophistication to it. The Witcher games are
the only I've played where the writing seems like it was intended for
the average adult. And then the art design is just stellar. They've
taken no shortcuts with it and is among the best out there. 

It's been a busy year for the Polish gaming industry. A busy decade more so. Creators of Painkiller, went to make Bulletstorm. Lads at Techland went from Call of Juarez to Dead Island. Reality Pump realeased the Two World series. There was this little thing called Anomaly Warzone Earth, which turned out quite nicely. Yeah...

Poles released their fair of ****ty games as well - hell, Sniper Ghost Warrior, despite it crapiness, was such a big success, that sequel literally earned itself a bigger budget... and CryEngine 3.

And about the level of writing of the second W game. Well, folks at CDPR have a great source material to start with and... well, Witcher books - that is Saga o Wiedźminie is kind of a big deal in Poland. Ay very big one. My father used to work in the filming industry in Poland and knew some of the people who made the infamous and dreaded Witcher TV series. Enough to say, the director who was tasked with the deed, Marek Brodzki had never had an opportunity (or willingness) to read any of the Sapkowski's books. And it turned into ****iness. Well anyway...

Red Studio took a different approach - afterall, it's core was that of young and ambitious people, who not only knew about the Witcher books, but who loved them as a part of their growing up in '90 Poland. It was absolute priority for them to recreate the level and the feeling of Sapkowski's books. And they nailed it - I rarely hear anyone in Poland complaining about the story in the Witcher games.

[Anathemic]

slimgrin wrote...

Luxorek wrote...

 And Poles, by no means, suffer from the lack of talented chaps working in the gaming industry.

I wonder why this is. A Polish rennaissance of sorts?

Take the level of writing for instance; it's not just better than most other RPG's, there's a degree of sophistication to it. The Witcher games are the only I've played where the writing seems like it was intended for the average adult. And then the art design is just stellar. They've taken no shortcuts with it and is among the best out there. 

This is one of the reasons why I want to learn Polish, lol

[Bejos_]

Luxorek wrote...

Bejos_ wrote...
Everything is cheaper in Eastern Europe. The game's budget is actually around the $8 million mark, IIRC, but that amounts to about $40 million.

You're hurting my sensitive Polish Australian ears ; ] Poles generally hate being called Eastern Europeans, hence the whole Central European thing. But nevermind that, geopoltics just... no... I must stop.

[...]

I have Eastern European blood. Thanks for that :|

Anyway ... How many $US would Z30 million be?

Modifié par Bejos_, 17 juin 2011 - 08:32 .

[grregg]

Anathemic wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Luxorek wrote...

 And Poles, by no means, suffer from the lack of talented chaps working in the gaming industry.

I wonder why this is. A Polish rennaissance of sorts?

Take the level of writing for instance; it's not just better than most other RPG's, there's a degree of sophistication to it. The Witcher games are the only I've played where the writing seems like it was intended for the average adult. And then the art design is just stellar. They've taken no shortcuts with it and is among the best out there. 

This is one of the reasons why I want to learn Polish, lol

You can start here.

[lyleoffmyspace]

Roche's path is so dark and deep, feels like a real dark fantasy, better than anything DAO's path has thrown up.

SPOILERS
If you make the choices that feel right to you (I don't regret any of the choices I made in the game), you end up with a completely bleak ending...
Ves is raped, the Northern kingdoms are ravaged, Henselt is dead, Temeria is going to be split up, Roche is a wanted man on the run with Foltest's daughter, the Lodge has lost their Dragon and has no power against Nilfgaard. The Nilfgaardians are going to invade.the Northern Kingdoms and everything is just in chaos and such a bleak position. And bloody Dethmold is still alive.

Roche's personal story is one of a tragic fall from grace, he's lost all his friends and men, in my game Geralt abandoned him to save Triss, and his country is in ruins and he is fugitive. So sad, because he is a good man at heart.

Just a question...who left Letho alive? I felt it would be right to let him go, he was just a Witcher like Geralt, and he also has fought the Wild Hunt. I feel the Wild Hunt are going to have a big part in the games of the future, and he could be an ally, therefore I left him alive.

[luki1234567]

grregg wrote...

You can start here.

heh  true englishman will never learn polish

[luki1234567]

double post

Modifié par luki1234567, 17 juin 2011 - 08:53 .

[Luxorek]

Bejos_ wrote...
Anyway ... How many $US would Z30 million be?

Well, that depends when and what exchange rates you take into consideration, plus the whole inflation thing - currently 1 USD equals 2,8 PLN, but I do remember times before the recession when 1 USD was around 3 to 3,5 PLN. The Witcher 2 was in development since the beginning of 2008 and considering the shaky rate of the dollar I would say that it could go as low as 8 million USD to the 11 million USD. But again, as you've said, it doesn't cost this much to make a video game in this part of Europe.

Modifié par Luxorek, 17 juin 2011 - 09:05 .

[Nerevar-as]

lyleoffmyspace wrote...

Roche's path is so dark and deep, feels like a real dark fantasy, better than anything DAO's path has thrown up.

SPOILERS
If you make the choices that feel right to you (I don't regret any of the choices I made in the game), you end up with a completely bleak ending...
Ves is raped, the Northern kingdoms are ravaged, Henselt is dead, Temeria is going to be split up, Roche is a wanted man on the run with Foltest's daughter, the Lodge has lost their Dragon and has no power against Nilfgaard. The Nilfgaardians are going to invade.the Northern Kingdoms and everything is just in chaos and such a bleak position. And bloody Dethmold is still alive.

Roche's personal story is one of a tragic fall from grace, he's lost all his friends and men, in my game Geralt abandoned him to save Triss, and his country is in ruins and he is fugitive. So sad, because he is a good man at heart.

Just a question...who left Letho alive? I felt it would be right to let him go, he was just a Witcher like Geralt, and he also has fought the Wild Hunt. I feel the Wild Hunt are going to have a big part in the games of the future, and he could be an ally, therefore I left him alive.

If Nilfgaard is going to invade, henselt dead is a good thing according to setting history. This also coveys the feeling the saga had, so it´s a good thing to me.

[Bejos_]

Luxorek wrote...

Bejos_ wrote...
Anyway ... How many $US would Z30 million be?

Well, that depends when and what exchange rates you take into consideration, plus the whole inflation thing - currently 1 USD equals 2,8 PLN, but I do remember times before the recession when 1 USD was around 3 to 3,5 PLN. The Witcher 2 was in development since the beginning of 2008 and considering the shaky rate of the dollar I would say that it could go as low as 8 million USD to the 11 million USD. But again, as you've said, it doesn't cost this much to make a video game in this part of Europe.

That part of Europe also probably has some of the most skilled/talented coders in Europe. There's that in CDPR's favour, too.

All in all, whatever the proportionate funds behind it, the company's made a great game. It could have been better (it always can), but I think they spent the funds wisely. Huzzah for CDPR.

Modifié par Bejos_, 17 juin 2011 - 10:25 .

[Costin_Razvan]

How is Henselt dead a good thing?

That he made a deal? Sure, that's whats RULERS do for peace, but I cannot imagine Henselt NOT fighting for the north.

The best solution Geralt can come up with is side with Roche, let Iorveth to die in Vergen, Spare Henselt, Save Anais, give her to Radovid and spare the Dragon ( Saskia is a fool...but eh she might be useful in a war ).

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 17 juin 2011 - 10:32 .

[0x30A88]

Just finished it, 25 hours it took -- "QUEST FAILED" aplenty might explain that. I really liked that game. Also, with ultra w/&o uber it ran even better than DA2 did for me, must have been good optimization at work here. I think I found only one glitch, a candle flame being in the air,[spoiler?] on the quest for the dwarven crypt where you wer to find the standard, at the entrance.[/spoiler?]

[SPOILER]

I sided with Iorveth, killed the poison prince and killed Letho. Geralt, Triss and Iorveth was alive at the end, that's a good ending right?

[END SPOILER]

Modifié par Gisle Aune, 17 juin 2011 - 10:34 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

There is always the risk of either Redenia or Kaedwen to defect in the war (Kaedwen is more likely to do that). But Henselt would have to be pretty stupid and short sighted to do that and I don't think he would this time. Not if he already has the Pontar Valley and has Aedirn under his influence.

I think it's far more likely that a civil war in Kaedwen, should Henselt die, would benefit the empire, in that they can patronize one faction and recruit them as pawns.

[slimgrin]

It's a very short RPG, one of the shortest I've ever played actually, but replay value is very high. I think TW1 was around twice as long.

Modifié par slimgrin, 17 juin 2011 - 11:03 .

[Nerevar-as]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

How is Henselt dead a good thing?

That he made a deal? Sure, that's whats RULERS do for peace, but I cannot imagine Henselt NOT fighting for the north.

The best solution Geralt can come up with is side with Roche, let Iorveth to die in Vergen, Spare Henselt, Save Anais, give her to Radovid and spare the Dragon ( Saskia is a fool...but eh she might be useful in a war ).

Parting a country with its invader is not just a "deal". Foltest chickened out for peace, but didn´t help the invader. Although considering the setting and the the incoming Ice Age, maybe Nilfgaard invading would end as a positive thing. As long as he didn´t change his mind about fathering the savior...

[DragonRageGT]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

How is Henselt dead a good thing?

That he made a deal? Sure, that's whats RULERS do for peace, but I cannot imagine Henselt NOT fighting for the north.

The best solution Geralt can come up with is side with Roche, let Iorveth to die in Vergen, Spare Henselt, Save Anais, give her to Radovid and spare the Dragon ( Saskia is a fool...but eh she might be useful in a war ).

Your best solution is not necessarily the same as other people's best solution. My best solution is to help Yorveth although my canon story, yet to be played, I will side with Roche and rescue Triss. Not sure about allowing Henselt live but since Kar Mohren is in Kadwen, I'll have to research a bit how good was the kadwenian king to Vasemir and his witchers there.

Oh, and I let Letho live in 4 of 6 playthroughs now. Will probably allow him to live in the canon too. Like Lyle said, he's a brother witcher and having led Geralt and fought the Wild Hunt at his side to save Yen, counts more than whatever b/s he's done with some Kings.

Modifié par RageGT, 17 juin 2011 - 10:47 .

[0x30A88]

csfteeeer wrote...

HEY!!
guys, i have a little problem, nad i would like to know if you guys know anything about it.

so, i'm playing the Witcher 2 (Awesome game btw), and everything is fine, i have to lower the graphics cause my pc can't handle it fully, but still, the game runs beautifully, it is exelently well optimized, but anyway, at a random (mostly during conversations), the screen all of sudden turns black, and the sound gets completely stuck, it keeps repeating itself, but it doesn't react anymore, i have to restart my pc.
it keeps happening, and after i while, i decided to remove the option to play full screen, and so far it has worked, but like you deduced, this is not how i would like to experience the game, so please, if you know anything, reply and tell my what could i do.

I remember my old computer did that in Half-Life 2 and all games made out of its engine. Can remember Steam telling me to update my graphics card's driver when this occured.

Have you turned of Ubersampling? It is a major cause of framerate drop. Actaully, what does it do other than ruining performance and blurring the textures?

EDIT: This might be relevant
http://www.pchelpfor...s-computer.html

Modifié par Gisle Aune, 17 juin 2011 - 10:55 .

[DragonRageGT]

Gisle Aune wrote...

Just finished it, 25 hours it took -- "QUEST FAILED" aplenty might explain that. I really liked that game. Also, with ultra w/&o uber it ran even better than DA2 did for me, must have been good optimization at work here. I think I found only one glitch, a candle flame being in the air,[spoiler?] on the quest for the dwarven crypt where you wer to find the standard, at the entrance.[/spoiler?]

[SPOILER]

I sided with Iorveth, killed the poison prince and killed Letho. Geralt, Triss and Iorveth was alive at the end, that's a good ending right?

[END SPOILER]

Triss always lives. The other guy too, if you chose his side! hehe (Yorveth or Roche). Quest failed happens when you follow the main quest without finishing the side quests. Sometimes MQ triggers events that will make impossible to complete the secondaries, like Yorveth leaving Vergen for reinforcements will kill the Succubus quest if not done before that.

[0x30A88]

RageGT wrote...

Gisle Aune wrote...

Just finished it, 25 hours it took -- "QUEST FAILED" aplenty might explain that. I really liked that game. Also, with ultra w/&o uber it ran even better than DA2 did for me, must have been good optimization at work here. I think I found only one glitch, a candle flame being in the air,[spoiler?] on the quest for the dwarven crypt where you wer to find the standard, at the entrance.[/spoiler?]

[SPOILER]

I sided with Iorveth, killed the poison prince and killed Letho. Geralt, Triss and Iorveth was alive at the end, that's a good ending right?

[END SPOILER]

Triss always lives. The other guy too, if you chose his side! hehe (Yorveth or Roche). Quest failed happens when you follow the main quest without finishing the side quests. Sometimes MQ triggers events that will make impossible to complete the secondaries, like Yorveth leaving Vergen for reinforcements will kill the Succubus quest if not done before that.

[SPOILER]Is there a way it can end peacefully for the northern kingdoms?

[blothulfur]

On my Roche runthrough can't help but think that Nilfgaard are making a mistake crossing the Yaruga from Cintra into Temeria which is probably still armed to the teeth with every nobleman retaining his troops for a possible civil war and the greatest general of the north John Natalis still at large with an heir to the throne under his protection so that he has a legitimate rallying point for all the country which will probably pull together while a visible outside agressor is present.

Now I would have struck quick and hard into Aedirn which has just lost a large province, suffered for a long time under a weak king and also has no heir with Stennis's fall at Vergen and tried to secure another peace with Henselt who would most likely accept any breathing space he can grab to recruit, strengthen and fortify his newly acquired border.

Temeria will have to be dealt with eventually but as Bony would say you first divide the forces of the northern kindoms and then you conquer, support some highborn in Temeria as a pretender to Anais's claim and seed the border of the north with dissent and unrest.

Swallow them up piece by piece.

[Luxorek]

Ahh... Vernon Roche, whose surname in English localization is pronounced Roach for no apparent reason. You see Roche is a French word for a rock or a boulder, (which no doubt fits the character) and in Polish dubbing it's pronounced just like that - Rosh. Damn, I lost the train of my tho... oh yeah.

I personally found it hard to remain neutral during the course of the game. No matter, which side you've chosen CDPR always makes you feel like a bastard when it comes to certain decisions - and I like that, no white and black, no good or bad decions. Only consequences.

And now a little quote from my e-book copy of Blood of Elves. Translation is... well, decent enough.

Andrzej Sapkowski wrote...

'Who's right? The Squirrels or you? Geralt wants to be . . . neutral. You serve King Henselt even though you're a dwarf. And the knight in the fort shouted that everybody's our enemy and that everyone's got to be . . . Everyone. Even the children. Why, Yarpen? Who's right?'

'I don't know,' said the dwarf with some effort. 'I'm not omniscient. I'm doing what I think is right. The Squirrels have
taken up their weapons and gone into the woods. "Humans to the sea,"  they're shouting, not realising that their catchy slogan was fed to them by Nilfgaardian emissaries. Not understanding that the slogan is not aimed at them but plainly at humans, that it's meant to ignite human hatred, not fire young elves to battle. I understood - that's why I consider the Scoia'tael's actions criminally stupid. What to do? Maybe in a few years time I'll be called a traitor who sold out himself and they'll be the heroes . . . Our history, the history of our world, has seen events turn out like that.'

He fell silent, ruffled his beard. Ciri also remained silent.

'Elirena . . .'he muttered suddenly. 'If Elirena was a hero, if what she did is heroism, then that's just too bad. Let them call me a traitor and a coward. Because I, Yarpen Zigrin, coward, traitor and renegade, state that we should not kill each other. I state that we ought to live. Live in such a way that we don't, later, have to ask anyone for forgiveness. The heroic Elirena . . . She had to ask. Forgive me, she begged, forgive me. To hell with that! It's better to die than to live in the knowledge that you've done something that needs forgiveness.'

Again he fell quiet. Ciri did not ask the questions pressing to her lips. She instinctively felt she should not.

'We have to live next to each other,' Yarpen continued. 'We and you, humans. Because we simply don't have any other option. We've known this for two hundred years and we've been working towards it for over a hundred. You want to know why I entered King Henselt's service, why I made such a decision? I can't allow all that work to go to waste. For over a hundred years we've been trying to come to terms with the humans. The halflings, gnomes, us, even the elves — I'm not talking about rusalkas, nymphs and sylphs, they've always been savages, even when you weren't here. Damn it all, it took a hundred years but, somehow, we managed to live a common life, next to each other, together. We managed to partially convince humans that we're not so very different—'

'You're not different at all, Yarpen.'

The dwarf turned abruptly.

'You're not different at all,' repeated Ciri. 'After all, you think and feel like Geralt. And like . . . like I do. We eat the same things, from the same pot. You help Triss and so do I. You had a grandmother and I had a grandmother . . . My grandmother was killed by the Nilfgaardians. In Cintra.'

And mine by the humans,' the dwarf said with some effort. 'In Brugge. During the pogrom.'

And if Yarpen Zigrin, the author of these words, found it later necesarry to protect Vergen and fight against Henselt. Hell, I ought to cut him some slack...

Modifié par Luxorek, 18 juin 2011 - 12:12 .

[blothulfur]

Nice qoute.

I prefer Roche in the english as it says to me he's a survivor, hell mans torn apart mountains to mine slate and such but the common roach has thrived despite every effort to exterminate it. Vernon Roche is a hard shelled born survivor scuttling through the crap of politics and power plays.

If they ever make a game about him I may as well just give them my wallet and say take what you want.

[Costin_Razvan]

It's ironic how Yarpen Zigrin was fighting under Henselt for coin in that war.

Anyway. Yarpen fights for exactly what he tells Ciri in the novel: Coexistence. That doesn't mean he looks well at the Scoia'Tel, hell no.

[DragonRageGT]

blothulfur wrote...

Nice qoute.

I prefer Roche in the english as it says to me he's a survivor, hell mans torn apart mountains to mine slate and such but the common roach has thrived despite every effort to exterminate it. Vernon Roche is a hard shelled born survivor scuttling through the crap of politics and power plays.

If they ever make a game about him I may as well just give them my wallet and say take what you want.

Huh.. even in English, Roche or Rocha, a real Brazilian Portuguese and Spanish surname too, means exactly that.. The Rock! I'm sure that the roach pronunciation is one of those big mistakes by some lazy translators and dubbing directors!

[Nigawatts]

Wait...WTH happens if you don't take Triss with you to get the Rose of Remembrance?