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[naughty99]

I imagine piracy must have hurt their sales. Releasing the game with no DRM, while a noble gesture, apparently did not help counter piracy.

but obviously what hurt them more was releasing the game without any console versions.

Modifié par naughty99, 28 juin 2011 - 04:23 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Archaven wrote...
WOW the sales is so BAD! ... So it's officially proven that SH!T sells (DA2 - Few Million copies sold) and quality product (TW2 - 500K copies only).

Has the world coming to an end where consumers are blinded retards?

The stats are only physical copies I believe. I distinctely remember that TW2 sold 400K copies in its first week alone (while this number here has 250K). Something CDProjektRED did not expect.

I think it's doing pretty well everything considered.

EDIT: also remember that it didn't cost that much to make. I think they only needed 100K to get even with development costs.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 28 juin 2011 - 04:24 .

[Drizzt ORierdan]

Both Dragon Age Origins and DA2 were pirated as well. There is really no possible way to tell how many pirated versions of a game are being sold.

My common sense would say though, that the more popular a game is, more pirate versions will it sell... DRM has nothing to do with it.

[orbit991]

Archaven wrote...

YohkoOhno wrote...

I found the best review of the Witcher to be the guys at GameBanshee--they were very fair and brought up the mistakes I agreed with.

As far as sales go, it's pretty disappointing in North America.

http://gamrreview.vg...ssins-of-kings/

Assuming this interview is correct, and I assume it deals with the direct orders including Digital Downloads, I have a feeling the success of the XBOX 360 version will determine if we get a sequel or not. (He says only 150,000 were pre-ordered).

http://www.gamebansh...s-of-kings.html

WOW the sales is so BAD! ... So it's officially proven that SH!T sells (DA2 - Few Million copies sold) and quality product (TW2 - 500K copies only).

Has the world coming to an end where consumers are blinded retards?

The sky is not falling they sold 400k in the first week alone and I doubt that in last few weeks they only sold 100k considering the overall reception. According to CDPR they expect to sell 30% more of TW2 then the first one, so calm down and wait for the inevitable third.

[DragonRageGT]

Drizzt ORierdan wrote...

Both Dragon Age Origins and DA2 were pirated as well. There is really no possible way to tell how many pirated versions of a game are being sold.

My common sense would say though, that the more popular a game is, more pirate versions will it sell... DRM has nothing to do with it.

But the Prophets of the Apocalypse forget that free downloading DO NOT hurt anyone, least of all sales. Those who d/l a game would never buy it to start with. It's such retarded thinking to say "hurted by piracy". Shipliners that go through the coast of Somalia are hurt by piracy. Game devs are hurt by bad games.

TW2 is good enough and with 500k sold on the first week alone, it will sell 2 million on the same period that TW1 sold 1.5 million. That's on PC alone! console will just be a surplus!

[slimgrin]

naughty99 wrote...

I imagine piracy must have hurt their sales. Releasing the game with no DRM, while a noble gesture, apparently did not help counter piracy.

but obviously what hurt them more was releasing the game without any console versions.

It wasn't meant to counter piracy, it was meant to be fair, and it's a sorry state of affairs when a game's release has to be 'legitmized' by a console version. Just about everything wrong with the game has to do with consolization.

Modifié par slimgrin, 28 juin 2011 - 04:50 .

[snfonseka]

naughty99 wrote...

I imagine piracy must have hurt their sales. Releasing the game with no DRM, while a noble gesture, apparently did not help counter piracy.

but obviously what hurt them more was releasing the game without any console versions.

So do you really think with DRM they can minimize piracy? Any kind of DRM will be hacked by hackers. It is about time that the developers understand this. 

[Costin_Razvan]

also remember that it didn't cost that much to make. I think they only needed 100K to get even with development costs.

Actually no.

In theory...if they got ALL the money from sales back for themselves they would only need to sell 200 k to get the 10 million they spent making it ( assuming they sold 200 k at 50 bucks, which they did )....in practice the retailers get their cut...but hell even if they only sold half then they still got their money back if they sold 400 k for 50 bucks.

Let's not forget about the extra money from pre-orders, collectors edition etc. It all adds up.

Well, the person in charge said they had pre-orders of 150,000

Yes, that's true.

Do you know what they also said on their main site? That they did not expect such a high number.

Make no mistake...150 k pre-orders is well over 6 million revenue.Will it get a sequel? Hell bloody yes.

Contrary to popular belief America does not have the highest market for sellings games. The company will problably spend 1-2 million to put the game on Xbox ( perhaps more, who knows )...and if they even sell half of what they did on PC then it's going to be a big sucees for them.

 I imagine piracy must have hurt their sales. Releasing the game with no DRM, while a noble gesture, apparently did not help counter piracy.

You think DRM really helps against piracy? "falls down laughing."

Let me say this about ME2. It was out a whole bloody ****ing week before oficial release. DRM does jack ****.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 28 juin 2011 - 05:20 .

[snfonseka]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

also remember that it didn't cost that much to make. I think they only needed 100K to get even with development costs.

Actually no.

In theory...if they got ALL the money from sales back for themselves they would only need to sell 200 k to get the 10 million they spent making it ( assuming they sold 200 k at 50 bucks, which they did )....in practice the retailers get their cut...but hell even if they only sold half then they still got their money back if they sold 400 k for 50 bucks.

Let's not forget about the extra money from pre-orders, collectors edition etc. It all adds up.

Well, the person in charge said they had pre-orders of 150,000

Yes, that's true.

Do you know what they also said on their main site? That they did not expect such a high number.

Make no mistake...150 k pre-orders is well over 6 million revenue.Will it get a sequel? Hell bloody yes.

Contrary to popular belief America does not have the highest market for sellings games. The company will problably spend 1-2 million to put the game on Xbox ( perhaps more, who knows )...and if they even sell half of what they did on PC then it's going to be a big sucees for them.

 I imagine piracy must have hurt their sales. Releasing the game with no DRM, while a noble gesture, apparently did not help counter piracy.

You think DRM really helps against piracy? "falls down laughing."

Let me say this about ME2. It was out a whole bloody ****ing week before oficial release. DRM does jack ****.

You guys are fogetting one thing: Digital downloads from GOG.

[naughty99]

To be fair, CD Projekt's budget and overhead was probably significantly lower than the production cost for DA2, so they have a lower bar to reach to profitability.

I imagine when they release the console version, they will do a marketing re-promote for PC, perhaps with a reduced price or some kind of free DLC promotion.

Modifié par naughty99, 28 juin 2011 - 05:25 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

snfonseka wrote...
You guys are fogetting one thing: Digital downloads from GOG.

I think the 400K in the first week includes them (the linked site did not).

@ Costin
I stand corrected.
Still, CDProjektRED got a respectable net proft in the first week most likely.

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

snfonseka wrote...
You guys are fogetting one thing: Digital downloads from GOG.

I think the 400K in the first week includes them (the linked site did not).

@ Costin
I stand corrected.
Still, CDProjektRED got a respectable net proft in the first week most likely.

Yup. I'm 100% certain that there will be a Nr. III. And I can't wait till it gets here. In the meantime, I'm waiting for more Quest DLC. (Loved Troll Trouble)

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...

Yup. I'm 100% certain that there will be a Nr. III. And I can't wait till it gets here. In the meantime, I'm waiting for more Quest DLC. (Loved Troll Trouble)

I can't wait either. Though I must confess, I am a little bit worried about the Wild Hunt.

I am getting tired of games with the "big bad evil" force from elsewhere coming to destroy everything. Part of the reason why I love TW2 so much is that it doesn't have that kind of concept (and is just not bipolar in general), but rather has several factions each out to preserve their interests in more or less reasonable and believable ways. I am worried that the Hunt would become something like the "big bad evil" should it be in TW3.

Now I do find all the convos, books and flashbacks we have about the Wild Hunt in TW2 very interesting. And the revelation about the Hunt I also found intriguing. But I am worried that they'd be the same dull destructive force that we've fought a million times in other games already. Especially since I am almost 100% sure they are linked to the apocalyptic prophecy of TW1.

Not saying that CDProjecktRED couldn't downplay the Hunt (or make it so it isn't what it seems and is a more "grounded" and "realistic" faction), or even potray it in an interesting, complex and refreshing way (in fact seeing their quality of writing, if someone can pull the big bad evil being interesting off, it's them). But I have my worries.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 28 juin 2011 - 05:44 .

[Zanallen]

You guys talking about the Erlking? He was in TW1 as well, so at least it is consistent within the series.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zanallen wrote...

You guys talking about the Erlking? He was in TW1 as well, so at least it is consistent within the series.

The Wild Hunt was in TW1, but in the bg. It was not integral to the plot (though a nice addition) except that final appearance, which is minor. The main plot was about the Salamandra conspiracy and the Order vs Scoia'Tael escallation.

[Drizzt ORierdan]

Yeah... I thought I had killed her... or "it", back in TW1. But apparently something thats already dead is really hard to kill. lol

[DragonRageGT]

I confess, I'm curious to see how it will turn out. If that first pure Elf was promised to a king from some Elven kingdom from outside this plane and chose a human instead... heh Beren and Lúthien is a beautiful tale! =)

[k177sh0t]

Thunderbolt reviews Witcher 2

"Its story isn’t afraid to delve into an often bewildering world of
complex politics, but at its core it’s a character tale. Backed by
superb fantasy writing and a fantastic sense of moral ambiguity seeped
into the choices you make and the ramifications they have on the world
and the narrative." 9/10

[Mercannis]

YohkoOhno wrote...

I found the best review of the Witcher to be the guys at GameBanshee--they were very fair and brought up the mistakes I agreed with.

As far as sales go, it's pretty disappointing in North America.

http://gamrreview.vg...ssins-of-kings/

Yes, really disappointing since according to those charts you link, TW2 has outsold anything BioWare has produced in the first 10 weeks (PC only ofc).
Infact only World of Warcraft, the Diablo series and Fallout series have sold more ....yes terrible results.

Modifié par Mercannis, 28 juin 2011 - 11:07 .

[Luxorek]

Wow... just wow... Einstein was right ! Stupidity knows no limits.

Vgchartz isn't a place where I would go to see how the game's sold in the world, it's the place where I would go to see how well the game's sold in Western Europe, USA, Canada and Japan - not to mention that it tracks only retail sales.

The Witcher biggest market has always been Central and Eastern Europe, mainly Russia - where the books and games are very popular. That peculiar market is not tracked by Vgchartz - along with the rest of the Central and Eastern Europe, where Witcher is still selling very well.

Now again - unofficial info, but from a source that I personally trust. Game is closing on million copies sold - in week or two they will probably announce that it has sold over 1 million.

Modifié par Luxorek, 28 juin 2011 - 12:17 .

[slimgrin]

GameBanshee and the New York Times are among the better reviews for the game. GameBanshee in particular really went in depth.

[agesilaj12]

Hope they make some major$$$ because these guys deserve it. It just wouldnt feel right if mediocre money grab like Da2 sells more.Haven't had so much fun, story wise, in a while. Went with Iorveth, let golden dragons offspring live ( if I had a choice I wouldn't fight her at all) , let my colleague Letho go ( didn't like Foltest anyway).....And if cdpr ever needs to partner with somebody hope its obsidian. It would probably be 'bugs galore in the begining, but what a stortelling..........

[Nerevar-as]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Yup. I'm 100% certain that there will be a Nr. III. And I can't wait till it gets here. In the meantime, I'm waiting for more Quest DLC. (Loved Troll Trouble)

I can't wait either. Though I must confess, I am a little bit worried about the Wild Hunt.

I am getting tired of games with the "big bad evil" force from elsewhere coming to destroy everything. Part of the reason why I love TW2 so much is that it doesn't have that kind of concept (and is just not bipolar in general), but rather has several factions each out to preserve their interests in more or less reasonable and believable ways. I am worried that the Hunt would become something like the "big bad evil" should it be in TW3.

Now I do find all the convos, books and flashbacks we have about the Wild Hunt in TW2 very interesting. And the revelation about the Hunt I also found intriguing. But I am worried that they'd be the same dull destructive force that we've fought a million times in other games already. Especially since I am almost 100% sure they are linked to the apocalyptic prophecy of TW1.

Not saying that CDProjecktRED couldn't downplay the Hunt (or make it so it isn't what it seems and is a more "grounded" and "realistic" faction), or even potray it in an interesting, complex and refreshing way (in fact seeing their quality of writing, if someone can pull the big bad evil being interesting off, it's them). But I have my worries.

The prophecy is about an ice age. When Geralt mocks the elf who describes it in a fantasy way (wolf eating the sun I think), the elf answers by briefly describing the actual reason an ice age happens. I don´t think the WH can cause that.

Can´t remember his name but I´d love to see that guy again. He was quite fun with that and his explanation of elf infertility.

[jonesy1138]

Well, i for one hope they bring back the Ithlinne's prophecy plotline. It was mentioned many times in TW1 as well as in the books, so i was dissapoinbted when, having finished TW2, i realized there was no mention of it in the sequel, its all about the Wild Hunt now...

Not that theres anything wrong with the Wild Hunt, but i was hoping there was something more to the Grandmaster's visions.

[Costin_Razvan]

Ah...but you see the Prophecy is very much tied in with the Wild Hunt

  But I am worried that they'd be the same dull destructive force that we've fought a million times in other games already. Especially since I am almost 100% sure they are linked to the apocalyptic prophecy of TW1.

Pretty much major spoilers, that have been said on this thread already.


Ciri, you know that kid who is very important to the Emperor? Well she is a descendant of a very old bloodline from an Elf and a Human, apparently said Elf was supposed to marry the King of the Wild Hunt to prevent the prophecy from occuring...of course that did not happen but suffice to say that I doubt the Wild Hunt is set to bring the end of the world.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 28 juin 2011 - 02:46 .