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[Dragoonlordz]

The way I see it an expansion is always optional like a detour, to delve into something in more detail or expand upon it. Personal preference I would like to see Yennefer, fight alongside Letho in the events prior to Geralts amnesia. The hunt even from TW1 has interested me and as the entirity of TW3 could revolve around the politics and war I figure an expansion would be great way to get deeper into what interests me while at same time people also get what they want with the whole of TW3 maybe being about the war itself and the expansion about the Hunt..

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 juillet 2011 - 12:11 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

billy the squid wrote...
The scale of the events which have taken place, would make a very good TW3, personally I would like to see a lot more of Nilfgaard and Emhyr and the repercussions of one's actions in the events of TW2 on a political level within the North and how it affects the possibility of a cohesive defence against Emhyr's territorial aspirations.

In the perfect world, I'd like our choices to have a significant consequences, that they make the difference between victory or defeat of Nilfgaard in the war (or at least make the difference between a stalemate or victory / defeat). But I doubt that's going to happen (feel free to prove me wrong CDProjekt!)

So the next best thing would be for our choices to be recognized, mentionned (and not just in a journal), and have some influence over the outcome of the war.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 juillet 2011 - 12:13 .

[billy the squid]

@KoP

I agree, what I would like, is probably expecting too much. Major events such as killing Henselt or one's decision over the Lodge might have an effect, but the coming conflict may be well beyond Geralt's control, considering the scale of the Nilfgaardian invasion in the second war, from a story stand point alone I don't know how much Geralt could actually influence events in this one.

But, if they can improve on TW2 and recognise previous decisions, causing repercusions or mitigating certain effects, then I think I will be more than happy.

Modifié par billy the squid, 17 juillet 2011 - 12:36 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I do not want Geralt to be able to control the outcome of the war directly, in fact I would not like that at all. But it's more like choices such as killing Henselt / Stennis and giving Anais to Natalis that I think should have an effect on the outcome. Possibly making the difference between victory and defeat (because the difference between a strong Kaedwen and one that has fallen into disarray with no heir is vast). But at least having some effect. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 juillet 2011 - 12:41 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...
I agree, Persephone. Statements like that are over the top. I am known as a critic, but there is nothing constructive in Babli's statement at all.

It's not the place to be constructive in one's critique of DA2, nor did Babli presume to be constructive here.

There should be NO place for such behavior. None. Anywhere. No, Babli just presumed to be rude, over the top and off topic. How is that better?

Right because you demand that due to the fact you like to defend Bioware so much. Forgive me for saying so but from what I've seen you have failed to provide a good decisive argument as to why DAII is good  and your argument if I recall from our discussion on Skype could be ammounted to - well I should respect them because they created the biggest patch for this game - Don't care, and this from someone who actually liked DA 2 more then Origins, a lot more in fact, because while the story was complete bull**** at the end at least it was damned decent until Act III and I liked the challenge the gameplay showed.

Provide an argument, a strong one, or you are becoming nothing more then a troll.

To everyone else: God forbid someone like me likes both DA2 and TW2.

Knight: That song served a single purpose. To show how awesome Roche and Geralt are togheter!

As for choices. Geralt can **** the north up in such a way that I can't see it standing a single shred of chance against Nilfgaard: Side with Roche, Kill Henselt then save Triss.

What happens then? well Temeria doesn't get partitioned but is divided into provinces by the nobles. Aedirn is in civil war ( since Stennis dies by default on that path ) and Kaedwen also falls into civil war.

The three big powerhouses of the north completely engulfed in civil war....but hey you get the Council reistablished....for all that good that will do against Nilfgaard.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 17 juillet 2011 - 12:44 .

[blothulfur]

Personally i'd like to see the game start with different world states, taking into account the strength of nations such as a strong Kaedwen under Henselt or a Temeria puppet ruled by Radovid the Stern and Aedirn fighting tooth and nail to retain nationhood most probably and that leads to a number of different quests or locations being opened to Geralt.

However the devs may throw us a plot curve ball in some way, mayhap a young and distraught Stennis (assuming he's alive) turns to a ghostly sending to aid him in his hour of need and his armies ride forth under the immortal riders of the hunt to throw back the enemies who beset his realm.

Or something even stranger.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Knight: That song served a single purpose. To show how awesome Roche and Geralt are togheter!

True, but as much as I freakin love Roche, Geralt and Letho teaming up would be more epic.
Which might be a good enough reason to make an even better soundtrack!

[billy the squid]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I do not want Geralt to be able to control the outcome of the war directly, in fact I would not like that at all. But it's more like choices such as killing Henselt / Stennis and giving Anais to Natalis that I think should have an effect on the outcome. Possibly making the difference between victory and defeat (because the difference between a strong Kaedwen and one that has fallen into disarray with no heir is vast). But at least having some effect. 

No, neither would I, I feel it would shatter the realism of the story and the world in witch TW takes place. TW2, handled the politics of the Northern Kingdoms very well and I would hate to see it devolve into a single individual being able to control a the outcome of a conflict involving potentially thousands of soldiers.

As you have said, the major events having some effect would be good, Nilfgaard potentially winning would be very interesting. I actually like this, as most of the factions are portrayed as amoral, so I don't think a Nilfgaardian victory would be considered a "bad" outcome, so much as killing Henselt in TW2 is considered a "good" decision if one believes he raped Ves, even if it is not the most well reasoned decision in the larger scheme of things.

And I think that Kaedwen will be important in the coming conflict based on the second war with Nilfgaard, so it would be interesting to see what effect its destabalisation would have.

On a slightly unrelated topic who were some of you favorites in TW2?
Personally, Letho, Triss, Roache and Ves would be on my list, although I'm currently on a second playthrough siding with Iorveth, so he and Saskia would be in there too.

Oh hell, I liked the whole cast.

Modifié par billy the squid, 17 juillet 2011 - 01:25 .

[Persephone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...
I agree, Persephone. Statements like that are over the top. I am known as a critic, but there is nothing constructive in Babli's statement at all.

It's not the place to be constructive in one's critique of DA2, nor did Babli presume to be constructive here.

There should be NO place for such behavior. None. Anywhere. No, Babli just presumed to be rude, over the top and off topic. How is that better?

1) Right because you demand that due to the fact you like to defend Bioware so much. 2) Forgive me for saying so but from what I've seen you have failed to provide a good decisive argument as to why DAII is good  and 3) your argument if I recall from our discussion on Skype could be ammounted to - well I should respect them because they created the biggest patch for this game - Don't care, and this from someone who actually liked DA 2 more then Origins, a lot more in fact, because while the story was complete bull**** at the end at least it was damned decent until Act III and I liked the challenge the gameplay showed.

4) Provide an argument, a strong one, or you are becoming nothing more then a troll.

5) To everyone else: God forbid someone like me likes both DA2 and TW2.

Sorry to bring this up again but THIS I cannot leave unanswered. At all.

1) Do not presume to know my motives. This isn't about liking to defend Bioware at all. Given how much I have criticized them myself over the years, no, nothing could be further from the truth.

2) I have written countless posts (Some ridiculously long, others short) about what I like about the game. I am not seeking your agreement on these things however.

3) Do NOT, if you value my friendship, put words in my mouth or tear things I have said to you outside of these forums out of context. We spent at least 3 hours on that call, with me detailing my arguments as best as I could. Agree or disagree, fine. But DO not act as though me appreciating Patch 1.03 very much is all I ever said about it. That's an outright lie.

4) I have written countless in depth posts detailing my (personal) arguments as to why I love DAII, flaws nonwithstanding. Whether these arguments are strong or not is up to those who read them. I'm not discussing DAII to convert/convince people to love DAII as I do. Oh, a troll? Well that's just about the straw that broke the camel's back. While I may get a tad overemotional at times when I see something I care for being attacked with such an amount of vitriol, I am quite surprised by this. I'll leave it at that.

5) I love both of them. So what exactly is the problem there?

Everyone: Pardon me for replying here rather than in a PM, but I'll not be accused of my only argument in DAII's favor being that Patch 1.03 is among the best Bioware has done over the last few years (IMHO anyway) without refuting such a claim.

Back to TW2 now: I am working towards an Alchemy based build this time, which talents from the other talent trees do you think compliment the Alchemy tree best? (I love TW2 crafting & potion making, hence my focus being on it this time rather than swordplay or magic)

[KnightofPhoenix]

billy the squid wrote...
On a slightly unrelated topic who were some of you favorites in TW2?
Personally, Letho, Triss, Roache and Ves would be on my list, although I'm currently on a second playthrough siding with Iorveth, so he and Saskia would be in there too.

Oh hell, I liked the whole cast.

This.

I more or less liked all characters (at least the major ones), which never happened in any game before. I like Geralt, Triss, Roche, Iorveth, Henselt, Foltest, Shilard, Radovid, Letho, Sile, Philippa, Dethmold, Saskia, Ves, the dwarves of Vergen, Zoltan, Dandelion (only because of the Succubus quest).

So I think it would be easier if I talked about the characters I didn't like, or thought could have been done better.

Renuald Aep Matsen is one. I think he should have been introduced a lot earlier. Even in the prologue. As it stands, he is a missed opportunity imo. Shilard does a good job showing the cunning and sophistication of Nilfgaard, but I felt a more developped Renuald could have shown Nilfgaard's iron fisted discipline and martial might a bit better. Which is not to say he was bad perse, just that he could have been better imo.

Another one is Prince Stennis. I get that the game was trying to make it hard for us to sympathize with him, in order to make the Walls have Ears quest be a difficult scenario, but maybe they overkilled a bit. It  didn't really weaken that sub-plot for me at all, and it remains one of my favorite quests in the game (in large part because there is no killing involved, just listening about domestic political dynamics). But Stennis as a character was a bit shallow, while he could have had more depth to him, imo.

Finally, maybe Natalis, only because we see (and hear) so little of him. I think some interaction with him in Act 3, if on Roche's path at least, would have shed more light into him. I get that the Temerian civil war could not have been the focus of TW2, but maybe Natalis could have gotten more screen time. He could have been an interesting character. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 juillet 2011 - 01:30 .

[Persephone]

billy the squid wrote...

On a slightly unrelated topic who were some of you favorites in TW2?
Personally, Letho, Triss, Roache and Ves would be on my list, although I'm currently on a second playthrough siding with Iorveth, so he and Saskia would be in there too.

Oh hell, I liked the whole cast.

Personal top faves: Roche, Ves, Saskia, Letho, King Radovid, Geralt (Duh!)

People I preferred in TW1: Triss. Dandelion. Zoltan. I hate Triss' new look and her cutesy/univolved VO is not my thing. And while the Succubus quest is fun, Dandelion was way more interesting in TW1 IMHO.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I will just say that Persephone did provide a number of arguments as to why she loves DA2 to me, for instance the personal aspect of it, that I do not disagree with or think are invalid (just that I have different interests, or they do not have the same level of impact on me).

Anyways

Persephone wrote...
Back to TW2 now: I am working towards an Alchemy based build this time, which talents from the other talent trees do you think compliment the Alchemy tree best? (I love TW2 crafting & potion making, hence my focus being on it this time rather than swordplay or magic)

I personally went for magic to compliment my alchemy build. Primarily for increased vigor, improved Aard and Quen.

That said, I was relying on "Mutant" in that build, so I was aggressive and not focused as much on traps (which I should try out one of these days).

Oh, and my build more or less sucked
Though it was still fun

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 juillet 2011 - 01:33 .

[Costin_Razvan]

4) I have written countless in depth posts detailing my (personal) arguments as to why I love DAII, flaws nonwithstanding. Whether these arguments are strong or not is up to those who read them. I'm not discussing DAII to convert/convince people to love DAII as I do. Oh, a troll? Well that's just about the straw that broke the camel's back. While I may get a tad overemotional at times when I see something I care for being attacked with such an amount of vitriol, I am quite surprised by this. I'll leave it at that.

Then link them, because most of your posts in defense of DA2 that I saw from you have been you replying to trolls, and doing your fair share of flaming.

Back to TW2 now: I am working towards an Alchemy based build this time, which talents from the other talent trees do you think compliment the Alchemy tree best? (I love TW2 crafting & potion making, hence my focus being on it this time rather than swordplay or magic)

Full Alchemy is the most useless spec you can get.

Now Alchemy+Swordsmanship can however make you 2-4 shot bosses on any difficulty ( remember they don't gain any more health on higher dificulties )

But DO not act as though me appreciating Patch 1.03 very much is all I ever said about it. That's an outright lie.

And as far as I recall that was the only argument you could give me that was a strong one. Perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps I am just pissed at you defending Bioware to death when the Bioware fans act NO damned different then how you say we TW2 fans do as a whole. 

 5) I love both of them. So what exactly is the problem there?

That was meant at anyone who goes saying we can't like DA2 without hating TW2 or viceversa! I sure love extremes.

Just a note before you go on bashing TW2 fans for their love of the game, you don't think TW2 fans haven't been bashed by Bioware fans for loving the game? Because I most certainly have seen them, before you go generalize TW2 fans as imature perhaps you should look at fans of Bioware games.

Personally I am not even sure why people compare TW2 with DA2....because DA2's story IS similar and SHOULD be compared to the one in TW1.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 17 juillet 2011 - 01:39 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

On a slightly unrelated topic who were some of you favorites in TW2?
Personally, Letho, Triss, Roache and Ves would be on my list, although I'm currently on a second playthrough siding with Iorveth, so he and Saskia would be in there too.

Oh hell, I liked the whole cast.

Personal top faves: Roche, Ves, Saskia, Letho, King Radovid, Geralt (Duh!)

That guy stole Act 3 for me.


Some people accuse me of only being impressed by calculating cunning chessmasters, and while this isn't true, my instant liking to Radovid from his appearance back in TW1, and him stealing the show for me in Act 3 kind of makes it hard to substantiate my argument 

[slimgrin]

@persephone

I always focus on beefing up vigor regen. Daggers are a powerful supplement to any build. My first run was alchemy and I botched it; the dragon was a monumental task as a result. I also like Aard in any build as it helps with crowd control once you upgrade it. I almost never use Ignii. I use bombs more than traps myself, Samum, grapeshot, and Zerkanian sun especially. That's been my approach thus far. I'm trying a magic build for my second run.

Modifié par slimgrin, 17 juillet 2011 - 01:34 .

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...
Back to TW2 now: I am working towards an Alchemy based build this time, which talents from the other talent trees do you think compliment the Alchemy tree best? (I love TW2 crafting & potion making, hence my focus being on it this time rather than swordplay or magic)

I personally went for magic to compliment my alchemy build. Primarily for increased vigor, improved Aard and Quen.

That said, I was relying on "Mutant" in that build, so I was aggressive and not focused as much on traps (which I should try out one of these days).

I was thinking of improving Quen to the max. (My fave magical talent aside from Axii which is IMHO brilliant) I'm trying to set up more ambushes, be a lot more tactical/stealthy this time around. (Love the traps...) I'm playing it on Normal now (I know, still noobish compared to you masters who beat it on Nightmare but a huge step for me) and so I'm trying to be as much of a trickster as I can. Also Importing my first 100% Order TW1 save. Ah, Siegfried....just to see him. (Ahem!)

I just made it out the dungeon without alerting a SINGLE guard during the prologue for the first time. *Is very proud*

[Persephone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Full Alchemy is the most useless spec you can get.

Now Alchemy+Swordsmanship can however make you 2-4 shot bosses on any difficulty ( remember they don't gain any more health on higher dificulties )

Well will discuss the OT stuff (Everything I wanted to say publically is said) via PM/Skype once I actually get past your selective memory on our rather detailed discussions on both DAII and TW2.

And thanks for the tip, honestly. Given how much I enjoyed your LP and the fact that I bloody admire you for beating this on Nightmare, I'll try to put it to good use.

[Costin_Razvan]

Then get on Skype Persephone

As for spec. I am not a fan of going all the way in max damage and ****ing around everything else. To me the Swords tree is the best. Because you get BOTh survival and a good chunck of damage.

Magic seems to be more about survival and Alchemy ( if specced properly with suficient sword damage talents ) is a massive DMG dealer.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 17 juillet 2011 - 01:42 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Personally I am not even sure why people compare TW2 with DA2....because DA2's story IS similar and SHOULD be compared to the one in TW1.

In terms of the main conflict, as in Templar vs mages / Order vs Scoia'tael, I think it would be very hard to claim that DA2 did it better or equally as well.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 juillet 2011 - 01:42 .

[Persephone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Then get on Skype Persephone

As for spec. I am not a fan of going all the way in max damage and ****ing around everything else. To me the Swords tree is the best. Because you get BOTh survival and a good chunck of damage.

Magic seems to be more about survival and Alchemy ( if specced properly with suficient sword damage talents ) is a massive DMG dealer.

Not right now, sorry. I'm very tired and need to get SOME rest before work tomorrow. (Darn Sunday meetings. But I get Tuesday off instead so YAY!)

*Makes notes re: the builds* Thanks. This is VERY helpful. Once I fire TW2 up again (Maybe tomorrow evening), I'll put those hints to good use. My three runs were trial and error at first, Nr. being a sword based build with maxed out Quen and Axii as well as several Alchemy talents.

[Zcorck]

Persephone wrote...

I was thinking of improving Quen to the max. (My fave magical talent aside from Axii which is IMHO brilliant) I'm trying to set up more ambushes, be a lot more tactical/stealthy this time around. (Love the traps...) I'm playing it on Normal now (I know, still noobish compared to you masters who beat it on Nightmare but a huge step for me) and so I'm trying to be as much of a trickster as I can. Also Importing my first 100% Order TW1 save. Ah, Siegfried....just to see him. (Ahem!)

I just made it out the dungeon without alerting a SINGLE guard during the prologue for the first time. *Is very proud*

Whoa, grats! I'd be proud as well were I that capable.  
I always try in the beginning but then I get caught and I'm like  "Shoot! Plough it all! I'm just gonna do this the old-fashioned way."

[KnightofPhoenix]

I LOVE the stealth parts, and in the rare event that I am caught, I instantly reload.

[slimgrin]

The stealth music is some of my favorite.

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I LOVE the stealth parts, and in the rare event that I am caught, I instantly reload.

They are SO much fun. First game ever where Stealth did NOT frustrate me. When I played DAO's stealthy quests (Esp. Stealing Andraste's Tears) I was actually longing for the TW2 stealth mechanics. I walked right INTO guards in that DAO mission but because of maxed stealth....I guess the Warden was not only invisible but turned into thin air.

[Dragoonlordz]

I managed to clear it stealth wise first time around playthrough due to seeing that was a method for getting out in some comment or review or something I wished to try it however I did save often and get caught a lot as I learned where they all are and practiced before managing to clear it in one go.

Second playthrough I thought meh, bring it on baby lets see what you guards have got. Went caveman on their arses taking them all out for giggles mainly to see what the different method resulted in as far as the end result goes of escaping.

I only hope they do a much better structured save filing system for TW3 as even after only few playthroughs I ended up with between 1.6-2gb of savefiles mostly unable to tell the difference between save from game A or B and where in the story it was exactly. So I hope they improve that.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 juillet 2011 - 02:06 .