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[KnightofPhoenix]

Oh and when trying to install the patch, it says the game version I have is invalid. I assume that's because it's from Steam?

When will Steam have the patch?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Which sucks. Yes, I want to have moral choices and grey ones. But at least ONE major choice that I can be satisfied with. Is that too much to ask? Must EVERYTHING be super-duper grey? It comes off as forced sometimes.

This isn't a game where you can come off righteous from feeling you made the perfect choices, because there are no perfect choices. That's how life is, and the game is epic for it.

 if you side with Roche you automaticly side with Henselt (who is pretty much the cunning evil king archetype). 

While I can agree with the Saskia thing this is where you are wrong since you haven't finished the game, all you do for Henselt is end the curse on him and on the battlefield.

Bollocks. Life isn't super-grey. There are decision in real life that I can walk away perfectly happy with.
"Always gray" DOES NOT equal epic anymore than "always black/white" does.


And it doesn't change the fact that Heselt is a SOB and you get no choice there. The game auto-allies you with Saskia or Henselt, and without the palyer being given even a hint.

Now, Hensel-Saskia choice is one choice I could walk away perfectly happy from, BUT I'M NOT MAKING IT. The game auto-makes it for me based on a previous, barely related choice.

[Dariuszp]

No idea but probably very soon. I love CDPR way of things. Another patch not so long after release and enother new and free of charge DLC ;-D I just hope we will get pay expansion in next few months :-D Love to see more story about Geralt.


@Lotion Soronnar
those are called CONSEQUENCES. Don't compare other games to Bioware way of things. They give you choice without consequences so you can load save from 10 minutes ago and change your choice so it would match your preferences.
When you side with elfs some things are just closed to you. It's like robbing a bank. If you side with robbers then dont expect that later someone will give you key to the city and noble prize because you decide not to stay with robbers or something.
They will just put you in jail when they see you.
Same things while you are talking to elfs while 10 others aim at you with bows. You just don't want to offend them. Because this game is not affraid to kill you dead.

And this is what I love in Witcher games.

Modifié par Dariuszp, 20 juillet 2011 - 03:58 .

[ErichHartmann]

Woot, finally have 16:10 support. I installed without removing any mods and everything is working fine so far. Performance is about the same.

Modifié par ErichHartmann, 20 juillet 2011 - 03:54 .

[Chromie]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Oh and when trying to install the patch, it says the game version I have is invalid. I assume that's because it's from Steam?

When will Steam have the patch?

Unfortunately that's up to Steam and it looks it's having problems too <_<

[Costin_Razvan]

Bollocks. Life isn't super-grey. There are decision in real life that I can walk away perfectly happy with.
"Always gray" DOES NOT equal epic anymore than "always black/white" does.

Oh yeah, because I bet your real life also revolves around politics, murders, scheeming, rapists. conspiracies against governements and all that? You must lead a very interesting life.

In real life in those kinds of situations you only walk away satisfied if you are sort of a fanatic.

 And it doesn't change the fact that Heselt is a SOB and you get no choice there

And as I've said, you haven't played the game to know what the **** you are talking about Henselt. As for Saskia, it's one of those few things annoys me, that I don't have the choice to just tell to go to hell.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 20 juillet 2011 - 04:00 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
And it doesn't change the fact that Heselt is a SOB and you get no choice there. The game auto-allies you with Saskia or Henselt, and without the palyer being given even a hint.

Now, Hensel-Saskia choice is one choice I could walk away perfectly happy from, BUT I'M NOT MAKING IT. The game auto-makes it for me based on a previous, barely related choice.

How is it unrelated?

Roche tells you he has contacts with Kaedwenis. While Iorveth tells you that his future is in Vergen. The game doesn't need to handle hold you for it to give you a hint.

And all choice in the matter is lost when the spectral battle showed up. Even if you wanted to side with Saskia  on Roche, how would you do it with the mist in the middle? Geralt's number one priority is to end the curse (which threatens both Vergen and Kaedwenis), and when he does, he doesn't wake until the battle already started.

And you are never allied with Henselt. You are a guest in his camp (because there is no where else to go and Roche tells you he has contacts there), and you help him lift the curse, because that's what Witchers do and you need his blood and medallion to lift the bigger curse. And you save his life from the assassins because uncovering who they are is your objective (to prove your innocence). But you never ally with Henselt, and sure enough, in the battle itself, you don't side with either. 
And you get a choice to kill him at the end, that wasnt' satisfying enough for you?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 juillet 2011 - 04:01 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
And as I've said, you haven't played the game to know what the **** you are talking about Henselt. As for Saskia, it's one of those few things annoys me, that I don't have the choice to just tell to go to hell.

I think it's like we said in the past. Each path caters to someone's interests. Saskia seems to be there to give idealists something to care about.

While I do find some of her ideals attractive (minus the whole egalitarian bs that is risking having racist mobs take over), I for the most part am not that impressed nor do I find the prospects of her long term success to be that high, and I prefer the balance of power to shift to Kaedwen and Henselt (and Redenia).

Roche's path had me more satisfied than Iorveth's because of choices like this.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 juillet 2011 - 04:08 .

[jonesy1138]

Although its true that you cannot choose not to take part in the battle in Iorveth's path, its also true that you dont have much of a choice, you are trapped in Vergen when the battle starts and the Kaedwenis will spare no one (whether they actually like Saskia or not).

There are also a number of dialog options that allow you to take a neutral-ish stance on the conflict. For instance, when Saskia asks Geralt why does he help Vergen, you can answer that you share their ideals or that you are just here to recover your memory (by ending the curse).

(SPOILER) And you can kill Saskia in Ch3 anyway...

[KnightofPhoenix]

jonesy1138 wrote...

Although its true that you cannot choose not to take part in the battle in Iorveth's path, its also true that you dont have much of a choice, you are trapped in Vergen when the battle starts and the Kaedwenis will spare no one (whether they actually like Saskia or not).

That's true, but there is a back door that Geralt knows about. Maybe he could have decided that he is wasting time in vergen, decides to escape and head immediately to Loc Muinne. 

One way this could have been done is to allow Geralt to try and escape via the back door, only to find that part of Kaedwen's army has besieged Vergen from the rear. Then he sees he has no choice but to stay and fight. That would have been a better railroading for the battle (which I find understandable btw) imo.

[Zcorck]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Bollocks. Life isn't super-grey. There are decision in real life that I can walk away perfectly happy with.
"Always gray" DOES NOT equal epic anymore than "always black/white" does.

And it doesn't change the fact that Heselt is a SOB and you get no choice there. The game auto-allies you with Saskia or Henselt, and without the palyer being given even a hint.

Now, Hensel-Saskia choice is one choice I could walk away perfectly happy from, BUT I'M NOT MAKING IT. The game auto-makes it for me based on a previous, barely related choice.

Life doesn't have witchers in it either. Point is that the Witcher world is a pretty bleak place, not a lot of sunshine & butterflies going on there. Besides your comparison is pretty apples and oranges considering how Witcher World & Our World are different and you're not making the same choices Geralt is in real life.
Who said that grey did equal epic more than black/white?
And it's not always grey, just most of the time. E.g. Roche's path taking down Loredo.
It's more your friends like Zoltan, Yarpen, Zigrin & all the other non-human friends that Geralt has(even mentioned) than Saskia.

Like with Henselt it is more beneficial to work directly with the leaders of each side in order to let things pick up from where they left off before the curse was ignited.
Personality-wise he is as SOB IMO as well, but he is a great leader to the people of Kaedwen.
The same thing has applied to other leaders here on Earth.

And when Geralt wakes up in Vergen the Kaedweni are on their way and I doubt Henselt gave the other guys the order to kill everyone except the guy everyone believes to be the Kingslayer.
That setting it's more of a "Kill them all and let their gods sort them out", and aside from reasons mentioned above Geralt isn't exactly the 'run to the hills' kind of guy. 

[billy the squid]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...
And as I've said, you haven't played the game to know what the **** you are talking about Henselt. As for Saskia, it's one of those few things annoys me, that I don't have the choice to just tell to go to hell.

I think it's like we said in the past. Each path caters to someone's interests. Saskia seems to be there to give idealists something to care about.

While I do find some of her ideals attractive (minus the whole egalitarian bs that is risking having racist mobs take over), I for the most part am not that impressed nor do I find the prospects of her long term success to be that high, and I prefer the balance of power to shift to Kaedwen and Henselt (and Redenia).

Roche's path had me more satisfied than Iorveth's because of choices like this.

I don't see the egalitarian ideal being threatened by racist mobs per se, although it is likely to be a problem. Rather, I find its workability suspect, there are currently too many unanswered questions, for me at least, in how the new state would function. I don't doubt that it could work, but newly formed states always suffer from intenal divisions, one based on different racial identities more so, I would think the rise of racisim would be a way of the differing internal political factions to gather support by appealing to the basest of racial sterotyping, particularly if those mobs be well organised.

As far as I know, mob mentality in medieval Europe tended to suffer unless there was some guiding force behind it and most rulers were able to chip away at support through appeasement and execution of central agitators, as most individuals had wildly differing ideas, aims and levels of involvement.

Potentially the egalitarian nature of Vergen could survive, however, the internal security forces and legislature would have to be thorough in their approach. particularly in the initial years of the state's existance. I think the army may also be a key role in its future not only from a stand point of defence from invasion, but also as an arbiter of social change. I.e mixed racial units, I believe one tends to have more respect for the man who risks his life with you regardless of race. As soon as an "us and them" metality takes hold in Vergen we are likely to see some serious problems.

As to Kaedwen and Henselt, I find myself suspicious of Henselt.  He attempted to annex upper Aidern in the second war with Nilfgaard's support, whilst Aidern was fighting them. So, I tend to see him as more hot headed and an opportunist, which makes me worry, that he would actually try to partition parts of the other Northern Kingdoms, whilst Nilfgaard invades, if it allowed him to expand his territory. Whether he would relise that Emyhr is more than likely to turn on him once he has finished with the other Northern kingdoms, I don't know. But I don't think even a enlarged Kaedwen could stand against Nilfgaard.

Edit:

As an aside from my previous post. I don't know if Temaria is a complete lost cause, Natalis seems to be capable of holding the state together, particularly if he becomes regent, until Anais comes of age and if he has the support of Roche. It might prove difficult if Henselt tries to annex Temeria, but I thnk he would loose support from Radivoid, who strikes me as the more calm calculating ruler, who might see Temaria ruled by Natalis in Anais' name a better option than open warfare in the face of Nilfgaardian agression

Modifié par billy the squid, 20 juillet 2011 - 07:02 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I don't think Henselt would be that short sighted this time. The risk is always there of course, but I think he realized that his move was very unpopular, and that the Nilfgaardians would turn on him eventually after he learns what they tried to do (kill him).

As for Vergen. I agree with you, I don't think it's impossible. But I agree with Philippa also. Saskia provides one half of power: popularity, charisma, kindness, honor, the carrot...etc. But she lacks the cunning, resourcefulness, ruthlessness, manipulation, political know-how and stick of Eilhart. Together, they were a functional duo (well with Saskia under Philippa's control) and I think the prospects of the Free Pontar to succeed were higher as such. So I personally doubt Saskia's ability to do this on her own without someone of Philippa's caliber to advise her. Iorveth is certainly cunning and ruthless, but I don't see him being much more than a military commander and enforcer. He is certainly no politician.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 juillet 2011 - 06:58 .

[DragonRageGT]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Oh and when trying to install the patch, it says the game version I have is invalid. I assume that's because it's from Steam?

When will Steam have the patch?

The full patch does not work with fresh install from GoG version. Need to update manually to 1.1, 1.2 and then 1.3. =)

[KnightofPhoenix]

billy the squid wrote...
As an aside from my previous post. I don't know if Temaria is a complete lost cause, Natalis seems to be capable of holding the state together, particularly if he becomes regent, until Anais comes of age and if he has the support of Roche. It might prove difficult if Henselt tries to annex Temeria, but I thnk he would loose support from Radivoid, who strikes me as the more calm calculating ruler, who might see Temaria ruled by Natalis in Anais' name a better option than open warfare in the face of Nilfgaardian agression

Natalis himself says he does not know if he can hold the state for a week. And that's in a summit in front of Radovid and Henselt. The ultimate show of weakness.
Anais going to Temeria is more likely to encourage the nobility to start fighting over regentship. And I question Natalis' ability to hold the fort. Radovid might support him (and very likely to secretly undermine him, he clearly wants Temeria).

I'd much rather give her to Radovid.

[billy the squid]

sorry DP

Modifié par billy the squid, 20 juillet 2011 - 07:14 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

billy the squid wrote...

KoP

Whilst Henselt, Radivoid division of Temeria is definately an option,possibly the most expedient. I don't know how much support internally there would be for it within Temaria. As I can see some factions, particularly those aligned with Natalis, to be a problem for either ruler, especially if he has popular support due to being the commander who defeated the Nilfgaardians at Brenna. But, again I am unsure of how he will act.

As I said above I don't think that Temaria as an independent nation is a complete lost cause if Natalis and Roche can assert authority whilst acting as regent Anais.

Actually my preferred option is giving Temeria to Radovid and checkmating Henselt (he had an epic line for this. That guy sounds awesome even when outwitted). My ending has Kaedwen expanding its influence over Aedirn, while Redenia expanded hers over Temeria.  

Radovid has a lot of legitimacy. He helped Foltest defeat the rebellion and potentially married Adda, technicaly the official heir of Temeria. And if he has Anais, he has justification. Of course it won't be easy, but Radovid showed he is an ingenius politician. I think he is far more capable than Natalis, who we hear is not suitable for politics. I don't think he would stand against Radovid, he certainly says nothing in Loc Muinne.

I wouldn't say it's a 100% lost cause, but it's the option I find the least likely to produce optimum results.  I find it imprudent personally.

[DragonRageGT]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

KoP

Whilst Henselt, Radivoid division of Temeria is definately an option,possibly the most expedient. I don't know how much support internally there would be for it within Temaria. As I can see some factions, particularly those aligned with Natalis, to be a problem for either ruler, especially if he has popular support due to being the commander who defeated the Nilfgaardians at Brenna. But, again I am unsure of how he will act.

As I said above I don't think that Temaria as an independent nation is a complete lost cause if Natalis and Roche can assert authority whilst acting as regent Anais.

Actually my preferred option is giving Temeria to Radovid and checkmating Henselt (he had an epic line for this. That guy sounds awesome even when outwitted). My ending has Kaedwen expanding its influence over Aedirn, while Redenia expanded hers over Temeria.  

Radovid has a lot of legitimacy. He helped Foltest defeat the rebellion and potentially married Adda, technicaly the official heir of Temeria. And if he has Anais, he has justification. Of course it won't be easy, but Radovid showed he is an ingenius politician. I think he is far more capable than Natalis, who we hear is not suitable for politics. I don't think he would stand against Radovid, he certainly says nothing in Loc Muinne.

I wouldn't say it's a 100% lost cause, but it's the option I find the least likely to produce optimum results.  I find it imprudent personally.

He only married Adda if we saved her on TW1. The canon has the Striga dead!

Modifié par RageGT, 20 juillet 2011 - 08:01 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I know, hence "potentially".

[blothulfur]

Might sound sappy and unrealistic but my canon Geralt is going to secure the throne for Anais just because he feels he failed Foltest, Radovid might promise to put her on the throne but I think that would be no more of a realistic reign than when Edward Longshanks put John Baliol on the the throne of Scotland and made himself its overlord.

Bloody hell my antivirus bloody hated that new patch, we had to have a serious sit down talk about what gets deleted and who gets the hose again if they don't ask me first.

[billy the squid]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

KoP

Whilst Henselt, Radivoid division of Temeria is definately an option,possibly the most expedient. I don't know how much support internally there would be for it within Temaria. As I can see some factions, particularly those aligned with Natalis, to be a problem for either ruler, especially if he has popular support due to being the commander who defeated the Nilfgaardians at Brenna. But, again I am unsure of how he will act.

As I said above I don't think that Temaria as an independent nation is a complete lost cause if Natalis and Roche can assert authority whilst acting as regent Anais.

Actually my preferred option is giving Temeria to Radovid and checkmating Henselt (he had an epic line for this. That guy sounds awesome even when outwitted). My ending has Kaedwen expanding its influence over Aedirn, while Redenia expanded hers over Temeria.  

Radovid has a lot of legitimacy. He helped Foltest defeat the rebellion and potentially married Adda, technicaly the official heir of Temeria. And if he has Anais, he has justification. Of course it won't be easy, but Radovid showed he is an ingenius politician. I think he is far more capable than Natalis, who we hear is not suitable for politics. I don't think he would stand against Radovid, he certainly says nothing in Loc Muinne.

I wouldn't say it's a 100% lost cause, but it's the option I find the least likely to produce optimum results.  I find it imprudent personally.

Sorry my browser is acting up a little.

I prefer Radovid to Henselt, he definately shows more political accumen than Foltest and Henselt, not to say that he is a better ruler, but he seems to be more cunning. But, it is actually part of why TW2 is currently at the top of my list of favorites, that the multiple playthroughs each come with a different conclusion based on one's decisions and the fact that the world of The Witcher has been executed very well, the situation, politics and characters are all, by and large believable, even the so called villans, without straying into the realm of moustache twirling evil doers.

In my initial playthrough with Roche I finished with killing Henselt, so stopping further Kaedwenian expansion into Aerdin after Vergen, according to Radovid Henselt had already taken the Pontar Valley by force and I had the impression that Henselt had planned to annex Flotsam before Foltest was assassinated, as well as inviting the Nilfgaardians to Luc Muinne. Then gave Anais to Natalis preserving Temeria as an independent kingdom, for the time being at least.

It is definately not the most expedient of results, but rather the more optomistic position. Yet, I intend to playthrough again with Roche, simply so I can have the options to import, hopefully, to TW3. I haven't decided which is my favorite ending.

Regarding Henselt's involvement with Nilfgaard, I remain unsure, for me he remains an unknown entity in the conflict as likely to fight the coming invasion as he is to take advantage of it. Which touches on another issue, Nilgaard's protection of the La Valette's, do you think it had a part in the coming invasion? ie: to secure Anais after Foltest was assassinated therby making Temeria a province of Nilfgaard. By implication does Henselt's involvement with Nilfgaard mean that there has been some agreement between them? such as Henselt ruling a large portion of the North in the name of Nilfgaard, expanding his territory more than he would have been able to alone, before attempting to reneg on the agreement. I'm not sure on this idea, maybe too machiavelian in nature.

As to handing Anais to Radovid, I think that the journal states Temaria will become a protectorate. Does this mean that it will be so until Anais comes of age, or will Temaria remain as part of Redania in all but name? I can't see Radovid letting go of control so easily once he has acquired it.

Modifié par billy the squid, 20 juillet 2011 - 08:56 .

[blothulfur]

I think Foltest, Henselt and Radovid all planned to take over the whole north eventually (thus the frequent bickering over the Pontar valley) and can see that that won't be possible if the three ton mastodon in imperial livery isn't dealt with first but Henselt would be more than willing to to take advantage of neighbouring weakness if he didn't think that it would unite every other nation against him when Nilfgaard is thrown back.

Shilard might simply be in the north to oversee Lethos work and provide detailed information on his targets, but he'd definitely take advantage of any exploitable alliance he could find there.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Dariuszp wrote...

@Lotion Soronnar
those are called CONSEQUENCES. Don't compare other games to Bioware way of things. They give you choice without consequences so you can load save from 10 minutes ago and change your choice so it would match your preferences.
When you side with elfs some things are just closed to you. It's like robbing a bank. If you side with robbers then dont expect that later someone will give you key to the city and noble prize because you decide not to stay with robbers or something.
They will just put you in jail when they see you.
Same things while you are talking to elfs while 10 others aim at you with bows. You just don't want to offend them. Because this game is not affraid to kill you dead.

And this is what I love in Witcher games.

I love consequences. But I love logical consequences even more.

I don't liek games that throw me a curvball and make unexcpected and unpredictable thing, just to enforce greyness.
It would make perfect sense to have to flee Temaria if you sided withe the squirrels.
However, Henselt isn't Temaria.

Both Henselt and Saskia could you your help regardless of Iorveth/Roche choice.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Zcorck wrote...

Life doesn't have witchers in it either. Point is that the Witcher world is a pretty bleak place, not a lot of sunshine & butterflies going on there. Besides your comparison is pretty apples and oranges considering how Witcher World & Our World are different and you're not making the same choices Geralt is in real life.

What a redicolous argument.
You could use that to defend any choice ever made in any game ever. "Well, our world is just like that. It makes sense in our world, because we say so."

[KnightofPhoenix]

billy the squid wrote...
I prefer Radovid to Henselt, he definately shows more political accumen than Foltest and Henselt, not to say that he is a better ruler, but he seems to be more cunning. But, it is actually part of why TW2 is currently at the top of my list of favorites, that the multiple playthroughs each come with a different conclusion based on one's decisions and the fact that the world of The Witcher has been executed very well, the situation, politics and characters are all, by and large believable, even the so called villans, without straying into the realm of moustache twirling evil doers.

Agreed!

Regarding Henselt's involvement with Nilfgaard, I remain unsure, for me he remains an unknown entity in the conflict as likely to fight the coming invasion as he is to take advantage of it. Which touches on another issue, Nilgaard's protection of the La Valette's, do you think it had a part in the coming invasion? ie: to secure Anais after Foltest was assassinated therby making Temeria a province of Nilfgaard. By implication does Henselt's involvement with Nilfgaard mean that there has been some agreement between them? such as Henselt ruling a large portion of the North in the name of Nilfgaard, expanding his territory more than he would have been able to alone, before attempting to reneg on the agreement. I'm not sure on this idea, maybe too machiavelian in nature.

I am thinking that Nilgaardian rapprochement to La Valettes is mostly to secure an ally for the coming invasion, though I am not sure if it was pre-planned or just hatched in the spur of the moment by Shilard. I doubt Shilard did not know that Anais was in Henselt's hands. Perhaps he made sure this is so, to inflict further chaos on Temeria.

I doubt Henselt was part of the plan, we know that Letho wanted and tried to assassinate him. I doubt that Henselt knew that an invasion was incoming. It's better for Nilfgaard if Henselt dies anyways, I think.
I do not think Henselt would be that foolish. Yes he does seem to have a deall with Nilfgaard. So does Radovid who says that the Emperor owes him a favor (I am assuming because Radovid helped them against the Lodge). Nilfgaard is a superpower so it's hard for any of the Northern Kingdoms to not have a deal with it. But the empire is more likely to manipulate them than honor deals, and Northern Kings are more likely to be suspicious due to the assassinations (unless they never know).

As to handing Anais to Radovid, I think that the journal states Temaria will become a protectorate. Does this mean that it will be so until Anais comes of age, or will Temaria remain as part of Redania in all but name? I can't see Radovid letting go of control so easily once he has acquired it.

Radovid certainly won't let go. He'd aim to keep Temeria as a protectorate. Which I don't really mind.


@ Lotion

Did you miss the giant mist in the middle?

The consequences are perfectly logical, unless by logical you mean the game has to spoon feed you everything.
The hints were there. If you missed them, it's your failing.

And lol what? Henselt wouldn't mind you siding with Scoia'Tael? You mean the ardent oppressor of nonhumans wouldn't mind?
I am glad the game did not have illogical moments like that to please a few.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 21 juillet 2011 - 12:23 .