13812 réponses à ce sujet

[slimgrin]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I love consequences. But I love logical consequences even more.

I don't liek games that throw me a curvball and make unexcpected and unpredictable thing, 

Then this isn't the game for you, seriously, this is a staple of TW series.

[KnightofPhoenix]

slimgrin wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I love consequences. But I love logical consequences even more.

I don't liek games that throw me a curvball and make unexcpected and unpredictable thing, 

Then this isn't the game for you, seriously, this is a staple of TW series.

Unexpected and unpredictable =/= illogical.

And it was hinted at anyways, it doesn't need a genius.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 21 juillet 2011 - 12:25 .

[Zcorck]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

What a redicolous argument.
You could use that to defend any choice ever made in any game ever. "Well, our world is just like that. It makes sense in our world, because we say so."

As opposed to "Bollocks. Life isn't super-grey. There are decision in real life that I can walk away perfectly happy with." ?
It was pretty much a response to that, but if you feel that people replying to your comments is offensive then you ought to do something about that.
Just because it doesn't make sense or is more agreeable to how YOU want it, that doesn't mean the same applies in general.
You're the one who wanted to compare your own choices you've made in real life to the ones made in the Witcher and you're calling my observations ridiculous with even more ridicule to boot? LOL

So let me try and make it more simple for ya, I know it may seem like rocket science but bear with me.
The Witcher World is going for a mainly grey area style and there are reasons for that, stated some in my former post, and never made it seem like it's grey because it's grey so that's how it has to be.
Just that you aren't exposed to the same type of choices as Geralt is, which is a point Costin made as well, if that really was that hard to understand then use a dictionary.
Nothing wrong with that.

In another world like Star Wars for instance. The style of that world is made to be more clear-cut black & while with a dash of grey every now and then. (Rule of Two for instance)
The black & white is represented as Sith & Jedi.
These two factions holds the highest influence within the Star Wars universe/galaxy.
As of such the rest of the galaxy tends to ally themselves with either.
And with the dashes of grey such as some people owing money to the Exchange is quickly cleared out with either paying the debt, faking their deaths(KOTOR), or just taking down the local Exchange office without anymore moral implications than that if you actually do want to help out those people.
If you don't, no biggie 'cos Jedi who are the 'paragons of good' don't usually do these kind of things, and they're not really important in the grand scheme of things. Taking down the Sith is, so just do whatever you got to do to take down the Sith.
Heck even in BioWare's own KOTOR game you're pretty the Big Bad who got screwed over by his apprentice so you're gonna get back at him and despite your past crimes, you're given their highest form of medal and hailed as a hero of the people & Jedi Order.
So to sum it up:
Q: Why did I mention Star Wars?
A: To use it as an example in stating that each fictional universe goes for a certain morality system and that they're not all the same.

Addendum: Now in the cutscene you get after killing Henselt, Geralt explains the dangers of killing a king. And if you've paid more attention to the game than you appear to, you'll notice that it may not be such a good idea despite Geralt's personal feelings towards the King.
And among other things, when you get to Chapter Two on Roche's path(aside from what ppl here have said already) Zyvik & his buddies don't split you open like a piñata is because of Roche, this even occurs in Chapter 3 when meeting the Order assuming you didn't help out Siegfried in the first.
So if you go with Iorveth, hopefully you'll have the mind to assume that a consequence of allying yourself with him results in Geralt not being able to go to the Order and say
"Hey guys, what's shaking? Hmm you over there, did you have a relative in the Order back in Vizima? I could've sworn I killed someone who looked like you, but then again I did kill a lot of you Flaming Roses back in Vizima. Man I swear, the limbs of your brothers-in-arms were just flying everywhere! Although this is nothing compared to my buddy Iorveth here, he must have killed even more humans than you have members in your flowery Order in the entire North! Now if someone could show us the door to Radovid and the others?";)

Heavy Rain is another game which makes good use of choices & consequences that you can't always foresee and a fair amount of greyness.

When you save the Elven women from the burning tower instead of chasing after Loredo, one of them will have settled down in Vergen as a merchant, and happy to thank you when you approach her.
But she could've just as easily joined the Scoia'tael or just been seen receiving training from them in order to not be exposed to the same type of vulnerable situation.
But since Vergen/Saskia represented the best hope for non-humans she probably took it as a sign of a fresh start.
I think she even mentioned that. By becoming a merchant she also won't be letting herself be 'tainted' by the iron grip Loredo had on the people of Flotsam.

Now a good non-grey option would be killing Loredo on Roche's path. Result? You get to help bring a half-elven baby into the world, unless he grows up to become a total sociopath and a serial-killer/terrorist or something like that.
Although that last part can be said about a lot of things.

This may not be the game for you, if these choices bother you so much.
A fair number of other people like that there is a con following the pro.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I see the Witcher as being a more realistic fantasy than others, in that it resembles our own world. And yea, when it comes to politics and the things Geralt had to deal with, only a naive fool would be blind to the cons of his actions (as in be totaly "satisfied". All actions have pros and cons, winners and losers, and which outweigh which is a matter of perspective.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 21 juillet 2011 - 12:45 .

[slimgrin]

So I uninstalled and re installed the game to get rid of mods and it seems to be running smoothly now. But I have one question. CDPR's improved inventory is exactly like the panel tweaks mod..why? Did Antihero just dig up some unused files from the game, or did CDPR hijack his mod?

Modifié par slimgrin, 21 juillet 2011 - 01:29 .

[billy the squid]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I am thinking that Nilgaardian rapprochement to La Valettes is mostly to secure an ally for the coming invasion, though I am not sure if it was pre-planned or just hatched in the spur of the moment by Shilard. I doubt Shilard did not know that Anais was in Henselt's hands. Perhaps he made sure this is so, to inflict further chaos on Temeria.

I doubt Henselt was part of the plan, we know that Letho wanted and tried to assassinate him. I doubt that Henselt knew that an invasion was incoming. It's better for Nilfgaard if Henselt dies anyways, I think.
I do not think Henselt would be that foolish. Yes he does seem to have a deall with Nilfgaard. So does Radovid who says that the Emperor owes him a favor (I am assuming because Radovid helped them against the Lodge). Nilfgaard is a superpower so it's hard for any of the Northern Kingdoms to not have a deal with it. But the empire is more likely to manipulate them than honor deals, and Northern Kings are more likely to be suspicious due to the assassinations (unless they never know).

Mmmm, I think I am becoming too convoluted in my thinking, as I'm starting to see political machinations everywhere. But, I agree that whilst the Empire may have deals with the Northern kingdoms I don't think Emhyr would honour them unless it serves a purpose.

With the La Valettes, I agree that Nilfgaard's involvement is likely ploy to gain allies, particularly if the La Valettes are influencial. I would have thought Shilard would have tried to keep track, or capture Anais, as it would make it easier for Nilfgaard to legitimise its control over Temeria should it posssess Foltest's sole surviving heiress, rather than placing her in Henselt's hands. I can see Emhyr using Anais as a valuble pawn to secure Temeria without a costly fight, whilst the threat of several thousand Nilfgaardian soldiers "defend Anais' interests"But, in this respect I just don't have enough information to determine which action Nilfgaard took.

I don't think Henselt to be so foolish as to believe Emhyr,you are right. But, I believe he would have taken advantage of the invasion to expand his territories, so he would hopefully be in a stronger position after the conflict, whether this was in agreement with Nilfgaard beforehand, I'm unsure. Yet, I think he underestimated how quickly Emhyr's plans were moving and as such his usefulness to Emhyr, whatever it was, outlived its purpose.

As to the partitioning of Temeria, I don't see it as something Nilfgaard would have wanted, particularly if Radovid or Henselt had possession of Anais to further strengthen their claims. As you stated both Henselt and Radovid have contact with Nilfgaard, so it could be something as simple as recognition of the new borders (quickly followed by assassination to destabalise the region.)

But, again I'm rambling based mainly on supposition. TW2 has actually done a very good job in making the political dynamics of the situation easy to understand, but holding back enough information for those with the time or inclination to really have a ponder on the finer points of current situation and motivations behind the characters. I find that quite refreshing, as it doesn't happen too often. Heres hoping Deus Ex, Human Revolution can deliver something as good, so far reports of completing the game without firing a shot, apart from bosses I believe, looks promising. So well see.

[Costin_Razvan]

so far reports of completing the game without firing a shot, apart from bosses I believe, looks promising. So well see.

Those reports are completely accurate.

P.S. Steam patch is up!

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 21 juillet 2011 - 01:42 .

[Cyberfrog81]

slimgrin wrote...

So I uninstalled and re installed the game to get rid of mods and it seems to be running smoothly now. But I have one question. CDPR's improved inventory is exactly like the panel tweaks mod..why? Did Antihero just dig up some unused files from the game, or did CDPR hijack his mod?

I'm guessing the mod file wasn't deleted when you uninstalled. That's the "smarter" way to write uninstallers, so they don't end up deleting too much (it's very, very easy to make that happen).

And I deleted that mod manually before installing the path, and I no longer have e.g. the neat sorting options.

[slimgrin]

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

So I uninstalled and re installed the game to get rid of mods and it seems to be running smoothly now. But I have one question. CDPR's improved inventory is exactly like the panel tweaks mod..why? Did Antihero just dig up some unused files from the game, or did CDPR hijack his mod?

I'm guessing the mod file wasn't deleted when you uninstalled. That's the "smarter" way to write uninstallers, so they don't end up deleting too much (it's very, very easy to make that happen).

And I deleted that mod manually before installing the path, and I no longer have e.g. the neat sorting options.

Is the new inventory better than panel tweaks in other ways? Or should I just stick with panel tweaks? I really was hoping they would include an item count in the main UI for whatever item you have equipped..

Modifié par slimgrin, 21 juillet 2011 - 01:42 .

[Cyberfrog81]

I didn't look at the new for long, but... Only improvement I noticed from 1.0 was a "junk" category.

[KnightofPhoenix]

billy the squid wrote...
With the La Valettes, I agree that Nilfgaard's involvement is likely ploy to gain allies, particularly if the La Valettes are influencial. I would have thought Shilard would have tried to keep track, or capture Anais, as it would make it easier for Nilfgaard to legitimise its control over Temeria should it posssess Foltest's sole surviving heiress, rather than placing her in Henselt's hands. I can see Emhyr using Anais as a valuble pawn to secure Temeria without a costly fight, whilst the threat of several thousand Nilfgaardian soldiers "defend Anais' interests"But, in this respect I just don't have enough information to determine which action Nilfgaard took.

This is true and I am inclined to believe that Dethmold was so resourceful, that he managed to take hold of Anais under everyone's nose. You are right in that it would make sense for Nilfgaard to take hold of the child. And since they planned to kill Henselt, I doubt they had a plan with him.

Which makes Dethmold impressive.

I don't think Henselt to be so foolish as to believe Emhyr,you are right. But, I believe he would have taken advantage of the invasion to expand his territories, so he would hopefully be in a stronger position after the conflict, whether this was in agreement with Nilfgaard beforehand, I'm unsure. Yet, I think he underestimated how quickly Emhyr's plans were moving and as such his usefulness to Emhyr, whatever it was, outlived its purpose.

Of course he will and so will Radovid. It remains to be seen if it will be via defection  in the war and making deals with Nilfgaard. It's always a risk and I'll be the first to not dismiss the possibility. But I believe both Henselt and Radovid are more likely to realize this is short sighted thinking, at least not until they achieve a vcitory of some sorts.

As to the partitioning of Temeria, I don't see it as something Nilfgaard would have wanted, particularly if Radovid or Henselt had possession of Anais to further strengthen their claims. As you stated both Henselt and Radovid have contact with Nilfgaard, so it could be something as simple as recognition of the new borders (quickly followed by assassination to destabalise the region.)

Imo, the best situation for Nilfgaard with regards to Temeria is Roche and Anais disapearing (if you save Triss), and after that giving Anais to Natalis.

Kaedwen will have a hard time spreading its influence in Temeria imo, Redenia is more likely to succeed.

But, again I'm rambling based mainly on supposition. TW2 has actually done a very good job in making the political dynamics of the situation easy to understand, but holding back enough information for those with the time or inclination to really have a ponder on the finer points of current situation and motivations behind the characters. I find that quite refreshing, as it doesn't happen too often. Heres hoping Deus Ex, Human Revolution can deliver something as good, so far reports of completing the game without firing a shot, apart from bosses I believe, looks promising. So well see.

I am preparing to write the first in a series of blogs about TW2's politics as we speak actually. The first will be a brief overview of alll the factions involved, major and minor.

Speaking of which, does anyone have a clear image of the Blue Stripes Crest?

[Drizzt ORierdan]

Hi guys, coming out of the blue I know... Received my Collectors Edition today... *giggles*
The ammount of money I had to pay for custom tax was simply ridiculous... Clearly this is my last "Collectors" edition EVER, for ANY game... (as Im not going to become a millonaire any time soon...). <_<

I do recommend you getting the artbook though, if you have the rare chance to get it (alone). That was totally worht it, even better than the "Assassins Creed" artbook, Id say and that was pretty good as well.

Though my gaming is in a hiatus (I know, its preeety ridiculous,  but havent finished the game yet) Im happy for the 1.3 patch.

Modifié par Drizzt ORierdan, 21 juillet 2011 - 04:23 .

[Costin_Razvan]

The game does run a lot smoother with Ubersampling on now and bloody hell if beating the Kayran on Insane with minimal UI usage ( only turned it on when I wanted to switch to Quen ) isn't tense!

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 21 juillet 2011 - 04:53 .

[Dariuszp]

There is a bug with storage in Flotsam. If you go into basement you can talk to bartender and open storage.
Don't be fooled. Bartender is a cheater He will take your money. What you just opened is a store. Use chest next to him, behind counter.
Don't know if there is any other problems involving patch 1.3. Good that they add 16:10.

[zeypher]

this is a pretty decent tribute to the witcher series. If any one knows where the campfire scenes are from please let us know

Modifié par zeypher, 21 juillet 2011 - 09:59 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Zcorck wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

What a redicolous argument.
You could use that to defend any choice ever made in any game ever. "Well, our world is just like that. It makes sense in our world, because we say so."

As opposed to "Bollocks. Life isn't super-grey. There are decision in real life that I can walk away perfectly happy with." ?
It was pretty much a response to that, but if you feel that people replying to your comments is offensive then you ought to do something about that.
Just because it doesn't make sense or is more agreeable to how YOU want it, that doesn't mean the same applies in general.
You're the one who wanted to compare your own choices you've made in real life to the ones made in the Witcher and you're calling my observations ridiculous with even more ridicule to boot? LOL

Choicesi n general. Not my specific choices in RL. But even if I was, so what? It doesn't matter if it's middle ages, ro contemporaty or future. The besics of human behavior remin the same. You're gonna have people of all kinds, and you're gonna have more than 2 extremist options in real life.

So to sum it up:
Q: Why did I mention Star Wars?
A: To use it as an example in stating that each fictional universe goes for a certain morality system and that they're not all the same.

Am I supposed to like that? I friggin want and expect normal morality, and not being shoe-horned into some extreems.
Very specific moraltiy is what I'd expect from Barney the purple Dinosaur.

This may not be the game for you, if these choices bother you so much.

Did I say I don't like hte game? Did I? I dont' think so.
I swear, these forums are extremist paradise. You're either a fanboy or a hater, cause nothing else exists!

[Costin_Razvan]

zeypher wrote...


this is a pretty decent tribute to the witcher series. If any one knows where the campfire scenes are from please let us know

Not really impresesed with that tribute since all he does is use scenes from trailers and CGI cutscenes but to answer your question it's from a trailer of the cancelled port of the Witcher I to consoles.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 21 juillet 2011 - 10:36 .

[PsyCoil]

Am I only the one who got the assassin's creed feeling from that NEW DLC? Lol, Is that some sort of Witcher 2 joke on the AC series? Anyway, I finished it and It was hilarious, If you want to see why this guy really need all the feathers:



I want some more DLC's, More monsters would be more than welcome. I understand TW2 wanted to make monsters more rare in the world and not so easily found and encountered But I would love to see Ghouls, Vampires, Kikimores in future DLC's.

Modifié par PsyCoil, 21 juillet 2011 - 01:07 .

[Costin_Razvan]

I JUST loled.

[Zcorck]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Zcorck wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

What a redicolous argument.
You could use that to defend any choice ever made in any game ever. "Well, our world is just like that. It makes sense in our world, because we say so."

As opposed to "Bollocks. Life isn't super-grey. There are decision in real life that I can walk away perfectly happy with." ?
It was pretty much a response to that, but if you feel that people replying to your comments is offensive then you ought to do something about that.
Just because it doesn't make sense or is more agreeable to how YOU want it, that doesn't mean the same applies in general.
You're the one who wanted to compare your own choices you've made in real life to the ones made in the Witcher and you're calling my observations ridiculous with even more ridicule to boot? LOL

Choicesi n general. Not my specific choices in RL. But even if I was, so what? It doesn't matter if it's middle ages, ro contemporaty or future. The besics of human behavior remin the same. You're gonna have people of all kinds, and you're gonna have more than 2 extremist options in real life.

So to sum it up:
Q: Why did I mention Star Wars?
A: To use it as an example in stating that each fictional universe goes for a certain morality system and that they're not all the same.

Am I supposed to like that? I friggin want and expect normal morality, and not being shoe-horned into some extreems.
Very specific moraltiy is what I'd expect from Barney the purple Dinosaur.

This may not be the game for you, if these choices bother you so much.

Did I say I don't like hte game? Did I? I dont' think so.
I swear, these forums are extremist paradise. You're either a fanboy or a hater, cause nothing else exists!

1. I would not have bothered with that lengthy response in either cases.
2. I am not the only one who's been suggesting that. And I never said that you didn't like the game, so why bother trying to twist my words like that?
3. You are however claiming that you do not like the choices & consequences, morality in this game which is on a top 3 list of perks for TW2 imo and I'm sure that goes for a lot of TW2'ers as well.
But when you say that the CC&M TW2 presents are unreasonable/illogical which makes up very important parts of the game, then what's wrong with thinking that this game may not be for you?
It's not as if I'm saying "GTFO go back to playing DA2 and other simplistic things troll. They may have the vodka you need." Just an example that may be used/I've seen(similar) used. No offense to anyone who likes DA2.

4. I am not the one offending people simply for having a different opinion. Only if they're deliberately being unreasonable.
5. It's already been mentioned that you don't actually side side with them other than doing what you could so both sides could continue where they left off, restore your memory, & rescue Triss.
It seems that you're more on Saskia's side 'cos you wake up in Vergen, and the Kaedweni are coming so you kinda do have to defend yourself and your friends.
6. You know what they say about assuming. 

Basic human behavior only goes so far. Unless you're going for the "eat, eff, kill"-schtick that is.
Aside from more pessimism than optimism, mob mentality, need to survive, maybe a couple of other things it's largely dependant on the era.
Pederasty for instance was a pretty normal thing back in Ancient Greece. But as if most eras, basic human rights did not exist for anyone, so it's not as if the majority of people in either world knew how to treat people with proper decency. Not counting people of status 'cos that usually attracts sycophantic behavior. But then again that might just be me.  

Well it's not as if you're going to be exposed to only 2 options like that all the time. The curse itself in Chapter 2 does 'shoe-horn' you into staying at one side, but take that away and Chapter 2 won't be as big or as different. Would make travelling to Loc Muinne a lot faster though.
But if you want a 2-option scenario, school would be a good example.
There are a fair number of cliques in school as there are of factions in the North.
But you do not get involved with all of them. Only some of them will be to your preference. Geralt can ultimately join up with other factions as demonstrated at Loc Muinne because they are presented there.
If Geralt wasn't you know... wanted for regicide, trying to learn more about himself as well, trying to rescue someone he cares about, he'd probably have the time to hook up with other factions that are much further away than Vergen. ^^
So I pretty much equate that to the limited clique options due to one's preferences to where Geralt finds himself.
And for me at least Chapter 3 can be opening up your mind to more possibilities and trying out new things like going to college, but just in that way.
And that would be it for me. Have fun with whatever you can in TW2.

Modifié par Zcorck, 21 juillet 2011 - 01:19 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

zeypher wrote...


this is a pretty decent tribute to the witcher series. If any one knows where the campfire scenes are from please let us know

Cool vid!
Not much TW2 though. But still, it was good.

PsyCoil wrote...

Am I only the one who got the assassin's
creed feeling from that NEW DLC? Lol, Is that some sort of Witcher 2
joke on the AC series? Anyway, I finished it and It was hilarious, If
you want to see why this guy really need all the feathers:



I
want some more DLC's, More monsters would be more than welcome. I
understand TW2 wanted to make monsters more rare in the world and not so
easily found and encountered But I would love to see Ghouls, Vampires,
Kikimores in future DLC's.

LOL

And I share your  sentiment. I am all for keeping monsters in the bg and focusing on the human elements, but I wouldn't mind DLCs delving into monster lore.

[Dragoonlordz]

PsyCoil wrote...

Am I only the one who got the assassin's creed feeling from that NEW DLC? Lol, Is that some sort of Witcher 2 joke on the AC series? Anyway, I finished it and It was hilarious, If you want to see why this guy really need all the feathers:



I want some more DLC's, More monsters would be more than welcome. I understand TW2 wanted to make monsters more rare in the world and not so easily found and encountered But I would love to see Ghouls, Vampires, Kikimores in future DLC's.

I thought was more a joke about Fable series tbh, thats what I thought immediately after completing it.

I also agree with Psy in that when played it I did think it needed many more monster types in the game, there was far more in TW1 and would have liked the same amount or more in TW2.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 21 juillet 2011 - 04:49 .

[ErichHartmann]

PsyCoil wrote...

I want some more DLC's, More monsters would be more than welcome. I understand TW2 wanted to make monsters more rare in the world and not so easily found and encountered But I would love to see Ghouls, Vampires, Kikimores in future DLC's.

I've said this many times before but.....I'll be more than happy to pay for an expansion pack devoted to monsters.

[slimgrin]

I'm all for a good ol' fashioned vampire hunt, where a scourge of Bruxas plagues Flotsam, with babies being nabbed from cribs and beggars dead in the street at dawn. Or maybe some ancient gloomy crypt in Vergen where we have to descend level by level into hell, battling Fleders and Garkains.

Modifié par slimgrin, 21 juillet 2011 - 06:34 .

[blothulfur]

I want to find out what happened to Boussy, I want secret trails to be found in the forest around Flotsam leading to strange forgotten places, I want to explore the ancient city of Loc Muinne and wander through a history that haunts the very stones, I want to rest for the night at riverside inns on my way up the pontar and be drawn into tragedies and dramas wreathed in the mists that roll in from the river and I want to dream strange fragmented dreams of Yennefer and the adventures and passions we shared while staring out over the ever flowing waters.

I want more, more and ever more give me sensation and immersion until my mind breaks and the walls of reality are sundered.

Or some more monster lore and derring do would do.

Modifié par blothulfur, 21 juillet 2011 - 06:12 .