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[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I blame EA, God knows how they ****ed up good game series ( Battle for Middle Earth II, Red Alert and Harry Potter look at you ).

I watched Angry Joe's review of the latest Harry Potter games and I can safely say that Harry Potter the Chamber of Secrets video game is much better.

@ Rage
Thanks!


@ Whacka
I shared your skepticism about the difference between the two choices. Until I tried the other one and I was positively surprised. It's almost an entirely different spin on the story.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 22 juillet 2011 - 08:08 .

[Damariel]

RageGT wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

It's finally over.

My first in a series of blog dealing with the politics of The Witcher 2.

sub'd

me too

[blothulfur]

Rock paper shotgun has done a piece on the game and it's one you'll want to read right through to the end if you can endure all the puns, don't agree with them on everything but it's a fairly solid review.

Personally I feel the epilogue should be celebrated for its bold decision to once again let your decision count rather than forcing a boss fight upon you, that's incredibly brave and I had no problem grasping all the background lore and the political situations engulfing the north but I suppose some folk can get a little lost in all the new places and characters.

I'm glad there's at least one game on the market that doesn't treat us like simpletons.

[slimgrin]

blothulfur wrote...


Personally I feel the epilogue should be celebrated for its bold decision to once again let your decision count rather than forcing a boss fight upon you, that's incredibly brave and I had no problem grasping all the background lore and the political situations engulfing the north but I suppose some folk can get a little lost in all the new places and characters.

I'm glad there's at least one game on the market that doesn't treat us like simpletons.

Can't agree more with you on this. If people think its anticlimactic they are missing the point. Thinking back on it, CDPR took a number of very big risks with this game. They deserve credit for that.

Modifié par slimgrin, 22 juillet 2011 - 09:04 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

blothulfur wrote...
Personally I feel the epilogue should be celebrated for its bold decision to once again let your decision count rather than forcing a boss fight upon you, that's incredibly brave and I had no problem grasping all the background lore and the political situations engulfing the north but I suppose some folk can get a little lost in all the new places and characters.

I'm glad there's at least one game on the market that doesn't treat us like simpletons.

100% agreed.

I understand why people wouldn't like Act 3 / epilogue, but for me it was one of the most memorable, exciting and climactic endings (because of how all the political intrigue culminates in it seamlessly). Me walking away from Letho is more awesome to me than any boss fight, and one of my favorite endings.

That said, a cutscene showing the Nilfgaardians crossing the Yaruga would have been epic.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 22 juillet 2011 - 09:09 .

[blothulfur]

Here knight have you thought about putting some qoutes from the important people of the various groups you describe in your blog, soundbites from Henselt, Radovid, Sile etcetera.

[KnightofPhoenix]

blothulfur wrote...

Here knight have you thought about putting some qoutes from the important people of the various groups you describe in your blog, soundbites from Henselt, Radovid, Sile etcetera.

That would be cool actually, if we could have a quote that sumarizes each faction and / or leader.

Please share suggestions!

For Redania, I am thinking:
Radovid: "The conference will decide the fate of nations. Individuals are irrelevent" (slightly paraphrasing)
Or "Politics is like a complicated puzzle. Every piece can be very useful. Or equally useless. Even harmful".

In fact, that last quote probably sumarizes the whole game.

[flexxdk]

The only thing I hated about Chapter 3 was how fast things ended. It was literally this: I arrive, I have to save someone and then poop hits the fan and then... Epilogue. While the Epilogue was one of the best sequences in the game (as KoP stated, there was nothing more satisfying than walking away from Lecho), Chapter 3 just felt so short in contrast to the rest. It all happened so fast.

That being said, I never understood politics anyway.

Politics is a dirty business.

Modifié par Whacka, 22 juillet 2011 - 09:50 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Fast and short does not necessarily mean bad for me, though I do understand the complaint.
Despite its length, Act 3 had some of the most memorable scenes, quests, choices and quotes imo.

EDIT : and yea, I love it for its politics

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 22 juillet 2011 - 09:53 .

[blothulfur]

Aedirnian nobility: We most humbly greet his majesty Henselt, King of Kaedwen, heir to the dynasty of the unicorn, Lord of Ard Carraigh, Archduke of Ban Ard and vanquisher of Nilfgaard. Welcome to Aedirn.

Henselt: How much do you want?

Aedirnian nobility: Your majesty surely jests.

Henselt: I couldn't be more serious. How much for your signatures?

Kind of says everything you need to know about the blunt and brutal king of kaedwen, though not much about his views or country.

[flexxdk]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Despite its length, Act 3 had some of the most memorable scenes, quests, choices and quotes imo.

Ah... How fondly I remember those moments where I had a McGeralt with a McShake Witcher taste...

Good times, good times.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I blame EA, God knows how they ****ed up good game series ( Battle for Middle Earth II, Red Alert and Harry Potter look at you ).

I watched Angry Joe's review of the latest Harry Potter games and I can safely say that Harry Potter the Chamber of Secrets video game is much better. 

I wouldn't have any idea.

Then again, the Harry Potter game you mentioned is on the third place of my most played Gameboy Color games. It was not good enough to beat Pokemon and Super Mario Bros. (especially this one, because of its Nintendo Hard level), though it came veeeeeery close.

Modifié par Whacka, 22 juillet 2011 - 10:11 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

@ Bloth
Lol yea I remember that one.

He also says something about the Loc Muinne conference in Act 2, explaining his plan and saying "I've outsmarted them all!"
I think that would be a good quote. Do you remember what he said presicely?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 22 juillet 2011 - 10:06 .

[flexxdk]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ Bloth
Lol yea I remember that one.

He also says something about the Loc Muinne conference in Act 2, explaining his plan and saying "I've outsmarted them all!"
I think that would be a good quote. Do you remember what he said presicely?

Ah, but this is a simple reload for me.

The quote is a bit too long to completely retell, but the keywords are...

Something about the mages in Loc Muinne, the Conclave and that Henselt will be the one who does stuff with the treaties.
I'll keep on reloading to provide the complete quote. Should be easy as pie.

Edit:
But alas! Disaster has struck!

CD Projekt didn't create a proper function for making screenshots, so I'll have to find a way to make 'em... Perhaps link it to steam...?

Modifié par Whacka, 22 juillet 2011 - 10:23 .

[Babli]

blothulfur wrote...

Rock paper shotgun has done a piece on
the game and it's one you'll want to read right through to the end if
you can endure all the puns, don't agree with them on everything but
it's a fairly solid review.
.

I am getting really annoyed at complaints about difficulty. I think that CD Projekt did it right. I had only a few problems in the begining and died a few times. I had to really master the controls and combat...but that was THE fun. I hope that next game wont compromise this. At this point I just dont get any complains about combat. I have absolutely no problems with it and I am definitely not hardcore gamer.

Ok, I just read the whole article..and I disagree with them in almost everything and I even raised eyebrows at certain points. I hope that CDPR wont listen sites like this too much
And Act 3 isnt THAT short. People just rush it because story there is fraking awesome :happy: and conclusion is very satisfying, at least for me.

Modifié par Babli, 22 juillet 2011 - 10:25 .

[flexxdk]

@ KoP:
I have the complete dialogue of the moment when Henselt said that, but because it's filled with spoilers, I'm gonna PM it to you.

Babli wrote...
And Act 3 isnt THAT short. People just rush it because story there is fraking awesome [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie] and conclusion is very satisfying, at least for me. 

Yeah okay, I agree on that.

I did spend some time on running around, crafting some Vran armor, killing The Operator, crafting some Elder Blood equipment, crafting Caerme and killing some Gargoyles. But that's about it.

Modifié par Whacka, 22 juillet 2011 - 10:43 .

[DragonRageGT]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

blothulfur wrote...

Here knight have you thought about putting some qoutes from the important people of the various groups you describe in your blog, soundbites from Henselt, Radovid, Sile etcetera.

That would be cool actually, if we could have a quote that sumarizes each faction and / or leader.

Please share suggestions!

For Redania, I am thinking:
Radovid: "The conference will decide the fate of nations. Individuals are irrelevent" (slightly paraphrasing)
Or "Politics is like a complicated puzzle. Every piece can be very useful. Or equally useless. Even harmful".

In fact, that last quote probably sumarizes the whole game.

hmm... my Radovid would say: "Adda likes raw catopeblas steak, I much prefer eyeballs!"  j/k =)

As for politics, Geralt/Adda interaction is the best, ending with "Power, sex; sex, power; it both come down to one thing: f***ing others!"

Modifié par RageGT, 22 juillet 2011 - 10:46 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Thank you Whacka!

Now I need quotes for....um 13 more factions. No biggie

If anyone can remember good quotes from TW2, please let me know!

[RyuGuitarFreak]

slimgrin wrote...

blothulfur wrote...


Personally I feel the epilogue should be celebrated for its bold decision to once again let your decision count rather than forcing a boss fight upon you, that's incredibly brave and I had no problem grasping all the background lore and the political situations engulfing the north but I suppose some folk can get a little lost in all the new places and characters.

I'm glad there's at least one game on the market that doesn't treat us like simpletons.

Can't agree more with you on this. If people think its anticlimactic they are missing the point. Thinking back on it, CDPR took a number of very big risks with this game. They deserve credit for that.

The plot ended ALMOST brilliantly. If only the boss battles were better and there was more action involved in different segments like the prologue...

[blothulfur]

There were a couple of good qoutes in the prologue that struck me as summing up very nicely both Foltest's predicament and his dynamic personality and Shilards wit and belief in his cause.

For Foltest and Temeria.
Foltest: ****** on the laws! i'll change them if need be. Above all i'll not allow a band of treacherous barons to use my children as their banner.

For Shilard and Nilfgaard.
Shilard: I am no warrior sire, I must admit. I prefer to joust verbally or with a pen, the emissary of peace that I am.
Foltest: Hogwash! You're the emissary of the white flame dancing on the graves of his foes, the emperor of Nilfgaard, who spared no blood conquering over a dozen sovereign realms.
Shilard: Thus bringing them laws, culture and peace above all.

[billy the squid]

Thought this Iorveth's initial reasoning in Act 1 for why he fights may be useful

"Race is the very reason we fight. We have pointed ears, yours are round. We are few, yet long lived. Your kind multiplies like vermin, though thankfully expire quickly."

coupled with something said by Saskia at the council meeting in Vergen

"For the first time in scores of years his (Iorveth's) fight makes sense. The Scoia' tael know no peace, they've died for Nilfgaard, for the Valley of Flowers; in vain. They've been betrayed and cheated."

Modifié par billy the squid, 23 juillet 2011 - 12:53 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Those 3 quotes are exactly what I was thinking. Though I remember Iorveth's quote being longer.

For the Lodge, I am thinking of what Philippa said in Act 3 if we choose to help her. She said something to the effect "yes we want power, why not?".
For the Conclave, what they say in the conference. Loredo, either his speech at the execution square or what he says to Geralt about nonhumans. Vernon Roche, I am not so sure. There is what Aryan La Valette says at the battle.
Part of Saskia's speech or something like that. Letho, probably "I am not out for coin or a killer's fame" (paraphrasing)....etc

But I need to play the game to get exact quotes.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 23 juillet 2011 - 12:55 .

[billy the squid]

I think it is a bit longer, this is all I could remember off the top of my head. When you first meet Iorveth there are several options which lead to different responses from him, regarding Nilfgaard's betrayal, his fight for freedom etc.

"I helped kill Roche's king, you call that helpless. Or would you call me a terrorist? No one will grant us our freedom, witcher. We must win it for ourselves.

I didn't put in the dialogue from Geralt or Roche as I couldn't remember all of it.
And Letho is a great antagonist so quotes like that one for him are great.

Modifié par billy the squid, 23 juillet 2011 - 01:18 .

[Costin_Razvan]

To me Iorveth can be summed up like this:

Geralt: I take it back, you aren't grandiose you're mad.
Iorveth: My mother claimed likewise.

[Gibb_Shepard]

I, PERSONALLY, believe that making Chapter 2 completely different based on one choice was a bad move.

When i play a game, i truly do wish to know the entire core of the story in 1 playthrough. By core, i mean the absolute essentials. Choosing Roche's path (IMO the only logical one..) removes so many story elements from the game it is not even funny. I'll replay a game to catch different bits i missed before, but i don't replay a game just so i can understand the bloody story. I knew by the end of the story that i missed ****loads of story elements, then i played Iorveth's path, and i was right.

Saski and Phillipa should have been people you meet in one playthrough, as they are ESSENTIAL to the story. Kaedwan should've been the 2nd chapter, and vergen should've been the 3rd.

I admire CDPR for trying to make our choices count, but when a choice removes a whole city with absolutely essential elements to the story within, it's taken too far.

This is of course my opinion, if you disagree, more power to you.

[Lumikki]

I did not like game. I mean it's nicely done RPG + adventure game combination. How ever, the pre-define character and gameplay was something I did not like at all. It's little like someone playing Tomb Raider and hate Lara Croft character, if you hate the character, you can't enjoy the game, even how good the rest of the game would be.

Just leaving my opinion here.