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[KnightofPhoenix]

@ Glibb
I understand the complaint, but unlike you I wouldn't see that as a flaw, just the contrary. Of course that is in large part subjective.

However that said, I do not believe that Roche's path has you miss on story elements more than Iorveth's. On Roche, you get to know more on the Kingslayers for instance, fight them, see one of the assassin's memories and interact with the dying third. You also get to know more about Henselt (and Dethmold), and in Act 3 about Temeria's fate. Also, Sile in Act 2 Roche is the representative of the Lodge then and as we see in Act 3, both on Iorveth and Roche, she is actually pretty important (of course it depends on whether you find her as interesting as Philippa).

I personally find both paths to be equal in terms of the story elements they provide (not which is more interesting, which is a matter of taste).

And I love that about the game. Each path provides you with a lens on the overall story. It's incomplete (which makes it realistic), but not to the point of making the story make no sense or be uninteresting, imo.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 23 juillet 2011 - 04:24 .

[Anathemic]

Well with the introduction of Patch 1.3 (which I downloaded and installed), I've decided to hit Witcher 1 again as a last playthrough which I will import into Witcher 2.

Goin' back to the roots.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Anathemic wrote...

Well with the introduction of Patch 1.3 (which I downloaded and installed), I've decided to hit Witcher 1 again as a last playthrough which I will import into Witcher 2.

Goin' back to the roots.

I am going to do the same once my little brother is done playing TW1 for the first time.

And where were you when I was defending Iorveth?

[Anathemic]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Well with the introduction of Patch 1.3 (which I downloaded and installed), I've decided to hit Witcher 1 again as a last playthrough which I will import into Witcher 2.

Goin' back to the roots.

I am going to do the same once my little brother is done playing TW1 for the first time.

And where were you when I was defending Iorveth?

My bad, preparing for my first year in college, plus I went into a League of Legends/StarCraft 2 phase during my absence from these forums.

I'll prolly still play SC2 but also TW1. And as with anything related ti The Witcher I will come on here to discuss (atleast until the official forums come up).

[csfteeeer]

Zcorck wrote...

"Because I'm Polish I ask you about The Witcher
II.  Have you had the chance to play, and if so,
what do you think about it?
I played and
I think it is fantastic. It's a great story, and the engine is simply
brilliant. Bah, I think that The Witcher is great at his genre
of "lone wolf", which exist alongside those in which the other team, that is, we
have to adhere, such as the Dragon Age." 

Good, Good...

i do hope they learn something From The Witcher 2, not copying it, but taking inspirations in their future projects (DA3 or not), like how the combat can be fun without being hideously over-the-top.
i'm more hopeful for the future now.

[jonesy1138]

Have you guys tried playing DAO (or any other BW game for the matter) right after playing TW2? Its surprising how generic the dialog choices feel, as well as npc replies, some are even borderline childish. I didnt feel this was the case when i played the game for the first time.... Its sad to realize that hostility, swearing and other mature rating stuff present in TW2 adds such an unparalelled level of realism to conversations... i guess i shouldnt be surprised after all.

Modifié par jonesy1138, 23 juillet 2011 - 11:13 .

[Babli]

jonesy1138 wrote...

Have you guys tried playing DAO (or any other BW game for the matter) right after playing TW2? Its surprising how generic the dialog choices feel, as well as npc replies, some are even borderline childish. I didnt feel this was the case when i played the game for the first time.... Its sad to realize that hostility, swearing and other mature rating stuff present in TW2 adds such an unparalelled level of realism to conversations... i guess i shouldnt be surprised after all.

Yeah, it really surprised me how it changed my view on DA:O. Its still one of my favourite game experiences but it definitely isnt as great as for the first time.

[luki1234567]

jonesy1138 wrote...

Have you guys tried playing DAO (or any other BW game for the matter) right after playing TW2? Its surprising how generic the dialog choices feel, as well as npc replies, some are even borderline childish. I didnt feel this was the case when i played the game for the first time.... Its sad to realize that hostility, swearing and other mature rating stuff present in TW2 adds such an unparalelled level of realism to conversations... i guess i shouldnt be surprised after all.

my thoughts exactly

[Cyberfrog81]

I always thought ME1 and DAO were a bit overrated. They're great games, but not... well, legendary.

[ErichHartmann]

jonesy1138 wrote...

Have you guys tried playing DAO (or any other BW game for the matter) right after playing TW2? Its surprising how generic the dialog choices feel, as well as npc replies, some are even borderline childish. I didnt feel this was the case when i played the game for the first time.... Its sad to realize that hostility, swearing and other mature rating stuff present in TW2 adds such an unparalelled level of realism to conversations... i guess i shouldnt be surprised after all.

The Witcher 2 has its faults like any other RPG.  So hasn't spoiled other games for me.  Fact is Mass Effect is one of my all time favorites.  I don't necessarily agree cursing adds a level of maturity or realism either.  Depends on the atmosphere and tone of the game.  

[DragonRageGT]

About Responsiveness - After some 10 superbly satisfactory playthroughs with TW2, I went for some more of my other games, like 2 runs with ME2 after another one with ME1 and some 4 runs with the leaked Deus Ex:HR demo. (Awesome btw. Another must have for me.)

Now, since 1.3 is out, I resumed my TW2 playthrough, on halt early Act 2 when 1.3 was announced and well, while it's definitely one of my best-ever games, the little flaws become much more apparent and annoying. Sure, I'll get used to it again and beat it on Insane as I was used to after a few learning runs when I got the game but, being TW2 one of my best-ever, I really wished it could be polished to the point where no motherfraking critic or reviewer would point the somewhat poor combat responsiveness as a factor. (plus it is a bit annoying indeed)

Since CDPR has already acknowledged other minor flaws of the game, cosmetics or gameplay, and said they will work on them or already delivered some patch/fix for some but never said anything about the controls responsiveness in combat, AFAIK, what is CDPR word on the subject? Do they acknowledge it? Is it working as intented?

I also play F1 2010 with the KB against Legendary AI drivers and I beat them all! =) Well, if that game had the same delay in my KB control responsiveness, I am sure I wouldn't be able to do a flying lap in any circuit without eating dirt, grass or kissing the wall in 100% of the attempts.

I'll have many more runs with TW2 regardless. It's an epic game and really set new standards for what should be called deep and mature RPG. But it would still be nice if controls responded as if it were a game made for kids od'ed on caffeine. =)

[Costin_Razvan]

It's been said that it's intended by the developers. Combat Respnsivness that is.

  I don't necessarily agree cursing adds a level of maturity or realism either.  Depends on the atmosphere and tone of the game. 

Mass Effect is about the damned Apocalyse and Dragon Age 2 is about a grim dark setting, how is cursing not supposed to fit in there is beyond me.

People curse in tense situations, that IS a fact. it seems unnatural for people not to.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 23 juillet 2011 - 03:46 .

[Chromie]

Meh I don't curse and I've been held up at gunpoint just saying. I think that's pretty tense.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Actually, I thought TW2 maybe had a little too much sexual innuendos in convos. It's like every NPC can't stop thinking about sex, which while probably realistic, is exacerbated by them also being unable to avoid talking about it.

It didn't annoy or ruin it for me, the important convos are thankfully more or less devoid of it. But I wouldn't say no if it was toned down just a tiny little bit. Just my opinion.

[flexxdk]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Actually, I thought TW2 maybe had a little too much sexual innuendos in convos. It's like every NPC can't stop thinking about sex, which while probably realistic, is exacerbated by them also being unable to avoid talking about it.

Wait, there was?

I never noticed that... Then again, I only notice it when it's obviously obvious. Which is obvious in itself, obviously. Very obvious.

[DragonRageGT]

Well, this has probably been posted here but again, it's an awesome piece and they nailed it, I think.

http://www.rockpaper...-the-witcher-2/

[KnightofPhoenix]

Whacka wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Actually, I thought TW2 maybe had a little too much sexual innuendos in convos. It's like every NPC can't stop thinking about sex, which while probably realistic, is exacerbated by them also being unable to avoid talking about it.

Wait, there was?

I never noticed that... Then again, I only notice it when it's obviously obvious. Which is obvious in itself, obviously. Very obvious.

IIRC, Vergen's dwarves are especially the case (though I really really like them and like fighting with them). I remember Roche's path being a bit more toned down actually.

Or maybe I am misremembering, I don't know.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 23 juillet 2011 - 04:25 .

[Costin_Razvan]

The Kaedwenis don't seem to mention sex at all...then again they have Odrin...and that repeating joke in Roche's camp.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 23 juillet 2011 - 04:40 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

RageGT wrote...

Well, this has probably been posted here but again, it's an awesome piece and they nailed it, I think.

http://www.rockpaper...-the-witcher-2/

I do not agree with them saying the setting wasn't explained enough.

I do not think it's because of TW1, it did not delve into details when it came to Redania or Nilfgaard, and had very little when it came to Kaedwen and Aedirn. And I didn't read the books. And I understood the setting just fine. There are books, convos and whatnot to explain at least the basics. Unlike Dragon Age or Mass Effect, we are shown more than we are told in codices.

Though yea the map not being in English is annoying.

[HoonDing]

jonesy1138 wrote...

Have you guys tried playing DAO (or any other BW game for the matter) right after playing TW2? Its surprising how generic the dialog choices feel, as well as npc replies, some are even borderline childish. I didnt feel this was the case when i played the game for the first time.... Its sad to realize that hostility, swearing and other mature rating stuff present in TW2 adds such an unparalelled level of realism to conversations... i guess i shouldnt be surprised after all.

Or compare the party members in BioWare games to the major characters from the Witcher games. They're almost always immature, petulant little children (especially so in Dragon Age). I can't think of any BioWare character that would fit in the Witcher setting, save maybe Canderous Ordo.

[flexxdk]

virumor wrote...
blablabla

The only character I think would fit in the world of TW is Cailan... as a six year old.

And I just can't help the fact that when I see Síle I somehow start to think about Morrigan... It... simply... doesn't make sense...

Modifié par Whacka, 23 juillet 2011 - 05:32 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Loghain in the witcher world...hmm. He and Roche would get along PERFECTLY.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 23 juillet 2011 - 05:39 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Bhelen can be there as well imo, with minor alterations.

@ Whacka
And yes, Sile reminds me of Morrigan as well, in terms of looks.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 23 juillet 2011 - 05:39 .

[Chromie]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Loghain in the witcher world...hmm. He and Roche would get along PERFECTLY.

In terms of goals that each of them had I think Loghain reminds me more of Jacques de Aldersberg in how they both caused a lot of harm doing what they believed to be the right thing. 

[HoonDing]

Whacka wrote...

And I just can't help the fact that when I see Síle I somehow start to think about Morrigan... It... simply... doesn't make sense...

I certainly wish I could've blown up Morrigan in Dragon Age...